Why buy a diesel ute if LPG exists?

put LPG on a big motor user, you can barely notice the performance difference

an LPG barra has equal torque and fuckloads more top end than even VGT diesels. Plus it's cheap and dead simple man.

Pic related is a part disassembly of an injector pump

this, I live in a 300k pop city and the nearest gas station offering LPG is a 15 minute drive, whereas I would find diesel within two minutes

o and this is Europe by the way

>Seriously is there something I'm missing here?
Yep. Availability, economy/range and contrary to what you believe, anything but complicated.
If you're hauling or heading to the middle of no where which I commonly do, diesel is the staple fuel for a reason.

That looks about as complex as a common rail diesel pump.

weird, every servo in Australia has an LPG pump, my car even came from the factory as standard LPG

diesel is a rural staple because of trucking.
trucks use diesel because it's cheap to burn while the vehicle is new. They couldn't care less about how complicated the vehicles are, or what happens at higher mileage. Private use is such a different kettle of fish.

Pic related, the whole internals of an LPG converter. That's as complex as it gets.

>weird, every servo in Australia has an LPG pump
If you live in metro and reasonably populated areas. Head out to more rural regions and you'll start running into supply issues.

I do live in a rural area.
Im in south gippsland Victoria.
every servo in every town within 200km of where i live has an LPG pump.
even the towns with less than 1000 people like Yinnar or Rawson, shit my town has a population of about 1500 and even our local BP has an LPG pump.

problem is, that most people installing it can't tune for shit.
and because of higher octane rating there should be virtually little-to-no power loss.
but i'm waiting for mythical laser ignition to further boost efficiency.
poorland, same here

>Im in south gippsland Victoria.
That's fine, but logistically you're not incredibly far from the population. Start heading central or up north and you'll run into supply issues barring town centres.
>diesel is a rural staple because of trucking.
And because it's a low volatile easily transported fuel.
>trucks use diesel because it's cheap to burn while the vehicle is new.
And it's cheap to burn when old. There's one thing about diesels is they age well. Barring catastrophic failure, there's not too many likely scenarios in which a diesel's life is prematurely cut short.
>Private use is such a different kettle of fish.
Which is my scenario. Hell, even with the price difference to take into account, my current 2009 DiD Pajero is still cheaper to fuel than an equivalent LPG converted V6 Pajero. I'm still achieving and average of 7.5L/100km at a steady 100km/h, and still managing an average of 8.5L/100km around town. Pic related was after an 80km freeway run from the inlaw's house back home.
Also related, this vehicle has 280,000km on the clock and still tight as a drum.

I will stay out of the desert tyvm

I'm in britain, and it is fucking rare. There were tax breaks for it, and next to no tax on it, but then it all expired.
It ended up as about £3k out of pocket to install the system, you could fill up at a handful of places, AND you lost boot space AND had to maintain a regular fuel tank as well.
The only things that got LPG conversions were taxis, which have been replaced with hybrids.

LPG is a blessing. It allows me to be broke and drive a relatively big petrol car.

Very good.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for LPG vehicles and I'm not arguing it's not the best alternative for yourself. I agree it's a very under utilised fuel in Australia, but when the large majority of "utes" on the road are 4x4s, modern diesels are still cheaper to fuel than what an appropriately sized 6 cylinder LPG is. For proper car based utes like the one previously mentioned LPG is fantastic.

I also enjoy the fact that apart from the admittedly complex distributor type pump on my old girl (which MAY require one rebuild in the entire life of the vehicle), the rest of the motor is simpler to maintain, diagnose and tune than even the most basic stromberg carbed petrol engine.

I disagree that diesels age well, wholeheartedly.
You could maaaaybe argue that for an 80s IDI diesel at best, but it's been a long while since they were being made.

Modern diesels have lots of issues with the following:
>EGR + soot clogging
>DPF regen issues
>DPF needs replacing every 200k (expensive)
>turbos go every 200k (expensive)
>injector pumps go every 200k (also expensive)
>multiple fuel filters
Plus the engine bay of even a basic diesel hilux is a cluster of vacuum and turbo related items.

Like okay, you might find incidental exceptions to those (my XYZ has 201k and none of those issues!) but overall, fuck no, diesels do NOT age well. I would buy with less than 150k and dispose well before 200k at best.

That's what got me started looking at LPG in the first place, diesels can get very fucking costly and you have no choice but for specialists to rebuild them.

>EGR + soot clogging
>DPF regen issues
>DPF needs replacing every 200k (expensive)
While that's true, these are all completely bypassible. While the biggest Achilles heel with modern diesels are their emissions systems, which is why if anyone is serious about keeping theirs long term (which I am), they remove or bypass these systems (like I have).
>turbos go every 200k (expensive)
>injector pumps go every 200k (also expensive)
Unless there's a severe case of operator error, bullshit. And there's no fuel type immune to operator error.
>multiple fuel filters
Both of my diesels only came with one from the factory, although I only see this redundancy setup as a good thing and is something I'd happily apply to both my vehicles.
>Like okay, you might find incidental exceptions to those (my XYZ has 201k and none of those issues!)
There's a hell of a lot more high mileage diesels than I do petrols. Sure, there's an awful lot of taxis achieving big mileages, but these are done in a short period of time with minimal heat cycling.
>but overall, fuck no, diesels do NOT age well
Based on what?
>diesels can get very fucking costly and you have no choice but for specialists to rebuild them.
Absolutely. A neglected diesel can be problematic, and in a lot of ways are not for the layman.

>LPG system runs forever
slowly killing your engine, needing often replacements of spark plugs, high voltage wires and gaskets. Requires extra yearly checks. Tank has to be replaced every 10 years which doesn't matter because after 10 years of using LPG engine goes to the trash.
> Cryogenic fuel, so it has to be kept cold
it's just kept compressed so it actually has to be pre-warmed because laws of physics you don't understand.

>There's a hell of a lot more high mileage diesels than I do petrols
That's gud Engrish I speak

>no power and no torks even though its a 120 octane fuel
> needs loads of turbo boost to become decent
>burn valves because no liquid fuel to cool the system
> only a few places sell it
> gas tank is huge and eats all your cargo space

Yeah you save money on fuel per mile/km, but fuck no I would buy or convert a car to it if was my only car
At least diesel has loads of torks so I don't feel my micro penis insecurity when I step on the accelerator like I do with lpg

>EGR
>DPF
You "delete" that shit immediately.
>Turbo
200k for a turbo is pretty good, and replacing a turbo once in a cars lifetime is not expensive.
>IP
Should not be an issue unless someone's doing something wrong.
>multiple fuel filters
what.

I mean, if you buy a modern diesel you're intentionally fucking yourself over.
But if you for some reason really do want a 2015 shitbox diesel you block the EGR, remove the DPF, and do maintenance as needed on the vehicle.
Just because it's a modern car doesn't mean you should forget everything there is about cars and/or not get updated on current tech.
People who are incompetent with cars should leave them with a family member or friend who knows his shit.

You can see you have never driven a car on LPG in your life.

>70hp
You sure are optimistic

>I doubt that any LPG car can ever travel outside the inner-city before refuel, due to the gas actually escaping from the tank due to pressurization.

You fucking retarded burgerclap.

>I'm in britain, and it is fucking rare.

no it fucking isn't, literally every garage here has an LPG pump.

>It ended up as about £3k out of pocket to install the system

you overpaid by about 2 grand