/vn/ - Can't Have Edition

Do you guys think more people will get into vns as they become more and more animated? If they start to resemble a really long anime it could get more people in, even 12 year old girls.

and what am i if i agree ?

Dunno. Mahoyo is the best example of that, and it did pretty poorly for a TM game in terms of sales/ratings.

It might be different in the West, though.

High IQ literary folk
They're still novels with heavy narration, for them to be like "really long anime" narration would have to be entirely cut out (and replaced with MC monologuing) and all lines including MC monologuing would need to be voiced. At that point you're dealing with something unlike most VNs so you have to question whether people will be "getting into VNs" or whether they'd be "getting into bastardized anime-VNs".

No, and I don't want that. They're novels and should stay novels.

I was thinking a not shittily animated School Days like thing.

Mahoyo was also a controversial release because Nasu and Takeuchi thought it would be a genius idea to make a modern full-priced VN with no voice acting and only have it be 10 hours long. Japs were very butthurt and Mahoyo's failure has basically ensured the other future titles in the series to be swept under the rug for now.

Amazing production values, though

>just encountered the takos drama, pls no assassinate me
>like the fourth time we've almost been ran over

Yeah, I'm starting to pick up on that :/

Lets remove ero, make it episodic and properly animate it.. Wait..

You should see the Michiru route.

Did subahibi come out?

Is Grisaia a moege?

Yes, Moenovel will be announcing it soon

I can't wait! My french female 12 year old friends will surely enjoy this.

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Listen to my words, all ye who quiver in fear!

>subahibi scripts that are fully translated and edited are sitting on HDDs of some tlwiki pricks
I am sad now

Was the Moenovel "12 year old French girls" line as damaging to their prestige as the Daily Telegraph Affair was to Kaiser Wilhem II's?

What's so special about 12 year old girls anyway? Do they have to be french too?

>he doesn't have the secret leaked patch
kek

it's a meme

Sure but why did Moenovel single out 12 year old french girls as a target market?

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maybe you could ask this guy for it

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How do we penetrate into the 12 year old girl vn market?

>High IQ literary folk
wew, thank god you're wrong

I don't know about the 12 year old or girls parts, but I remember hearing France has the highest amount of weaboos.

I'd rather read VNs where I penetration 12-year-old girls.

First need to ask 12 year old french girls what they like and then translate those titles

Alright. Are there any 12 year old girls in /vn/? Preferably French. What would you like to have in a visual novel?

I have already read the leaked patch two years ago

Then why are you complaining?

>What would you like to have in a visual novel?
Dicks

Porn

You CAN learn Japanese.
Don't give up user.

wtf i love Japanese now

it is not finished

I have an exam on Japanese in 9 hours. I need to get 88% minimum in order to pass, as I didn't do homework or assessments. Please wish me luck.

This. Japanese is easy anyone can do it

>I need to get 88% minimum in order to pass, as I didn't do homework or assessments
user, that's dumb

If you spent time learning Japanese by the time those two years had passed you would have easily been able to read Subahibi.

>all kana except few kanji with obtrusive furigana

What Naruto game is that

Yes. But that's how it is. Video games call and I must answer.

but I wouldn't have enough time to read other translated visual novels

Not so. When people give figures like 3 months, 6 years, 1 year or 2 years, those always carry the implication of "with dictionary assistance and struggling", although it gets progressively less as time goes on. Even at 2 years (assuming fast, good studying too) you won't be "easily" reading something like Subahibi. Won't be til 3 or 4 years that you can really consider something easy.

ナルト木の葉戦記 Naruto konoha Senki GBA

Subahibi itself has relatively easy language compared to other "kamige", even though the plot is hard. It's not Muramasa-tier hard. You can read it with relative ease within a year if you are dedicated enough in studying.

By the "plot is hard" i mean it can be hard to wrap your head around if you aren't confident enough in the language. Since sometimes things the characters say will throw you off and such.

No. All natural language written for adults, no matter how easy compared to Muramasa, will still pose difficulty prior to a significantly large time frame of 4 years. One year is simply not enough. What you mean to say is "you can read it with enough struggling to not feel too bad about it in one year". But it won't be easy.

空いっぱいの不安な言葉ってどういう意味ですか知りたいんだ

I just want to know, are you saying this from experience? Because there are many people who have read Subahibi within a year of learning Japanese who ended up getting a lot out of it. If you are able to get through and struggle with at least a couple of visual novels first in japanese, you will be able to read Subahibi.

That's bullshit and you know it
4 years is just too much time, when you reach the 2 years mark you should be ok
unless you are retarded or just haven't practiced enough

Yeah, but they certainly didn't have an "easy" time with it. This is evident by them taking months, trogging through it fall slower than expected, relying on text hookers because they know so few of the words, etc. I wouldn't call that "easy".
You'll be "ok" at 2 years (Assuming a fast, good pace) but it still won't be anything near "easy".

When I say they were able to read Subahibi with relative ease, I mean they were able to read it at a good pace without relying too much on a texthooker. Hell, if you want an example, (apologies for talking about an e-celeb) Kastel read Subahibi a year after he started learning japanese.

And Moogy read Dies irae with no issues within a year

Do you actually have any experience learning a second language?

Moogy is a one in a million genius, though. You can't compare his pace to the average person's

>Kastel read Subahibi a year after he started learning japanese.
>they were able to read it at a good pace without relying too much on a texthooker
I don't see why you think any of that matters (putting aside how vague "good pace" is). Yes, people read Subahibi early. However, that means nothing when it comes to how "easy" it is. Clephas read Dies Irae within a year or so using a texthooker, are you going to call THAT easy?

People really tend to overexaggerate how easy learning a language is. Thanks to tools one can study while reading at an early level. That's great. I have no problem with it. But when it comes to saying that because of those tools, the language itself is easy enough that you can study for 1 year and easily read novels? That's just ridiculous and deceptive.
Yes.

Moogy admitted to studying for 10 hours a day for a year.

>Clephas
Who?

Some guy, just like Kastel is some guy.

Moogy was born with the soul of a Japanese person. He's an outlier.

I don't know much about the difficulty of Dies irae, besides what the memes say, since I've never really read it, but I've seen that the general consensus is that Dies irae is hard to translate, but not necessarily too hard to read. I've seen people livestreaming Dies irae and it honestly doesn't look too bad, I think the main hurdle would have to be some of the vocab and long bits of narration. But that's something that comes up with most VNs anyway, so it would just have to be a manner of getting used to reading lots of text without burning out.

And you are overexaggerating how hard it is to learn a language, even at a moderate pace you should be reading manga withing the scope of a year and it only gets easier from there if you keep practicing by reading other media.
If it took you 4 years to learn then the problem lies in yourself, not the language

>it's a /vn/ turns to /djt/ lite episode again
>>>/djt/

Dies Irae is not hard if you know Japanese well, but if you don't know Japanese well it's hard. Compared to most VNs, Dies Irae is definitely hard. If you're going to be of the position that Dies Irae is not hard, then really I think your position is just that language is all easy because if you know the language you know it.
Yes, you can be reading early, no, that doesn't mean novels are easy to read within a year.

I'm becoming convinced people just aren't understanding that my issue is with the word "easy". Obviously you can read things early with tool and heavy dictionary assistance. I just find it ridiculous to say you can read something "easily" while being so inexperienced in the language you need dictionary tools to manage it.

Seems you're just arguing semantics and your definition of easy is wholly different from normal. You can read moege, Eustia, Subahibi comfortably one year in with a hooker and at 2 years it's pretty smooth even. Just because you have to look up words here and there doesn't make something not easy.

Reminder to report discussions about japanese language as they have no place on /vn/

Just finished reporting all of their posts

Nearly all arguments can be considered semantics.
>Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of our language.
I would hardly say you can read something comfortably within a year if you know so few words you have to literally hook the words to have a live feed to the dictionary. Furthermore, one's understanding of grammar at one year will be significantly shaky enough to result in substantial misunderstandings, lost nuance, etc. Hardly "easy".

A manga and a novel are different things, user.
I said in my previous post you should be doing ok within 2 years and by ok I mean reading with almost no help
And of course you are going to use tools even with 10 years of practice, there's still some words I don't know in my own language so of course I won't know some in a foreign language

If you want to talk about something else, bring up some topic to discuss.

I like visual novels.

Note that I consider using a dictionary sometimes to be different from relying on tools to read. Looking up a word sometimes is wildly different from being so unfamiliar with a language one simply cannot read without constant, instant access to a dictionary.

I like Moogy

>it is better to eat shit than to stay hungry
nah, shit is something organic actually, this would be a better analogy:
>it is better to drink sea water than to stay thirsty

You should write a book

For all the complaining you are doing you actually could do something productive and start talking about visual novels you scroob

well that doesn't seem very effective
still doing it

>JOPs end up bringing the most discussion to /vn/
really makes you think

just let it die

He took like 2 years of jpn classes in school ~before~ becoming a weeaboo

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Yeah off topic discussion that belongs somewhere else. Really makes me think...

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Let's discuss visual novels.
What are you reading right now?

Koichoco

Good lord she is adorable.

One is going to encounter unknown vocab for quite a while, especially when reading something like Eustia. Even for easier VNs like Hoshimeme, there was still vocab I didn't even know in English (shit like 1st magnitude star)