/mmog/ - MMO General

I never do.

Should I bother playing SEA PSO2?

the fuck is that thing next to you

>didn't turn out so well for tos though
Are you sure?

Elf scum, yeah i dislike them too.

ToS is such a shame. It really had a good idea that was just crushed under the weight of greed. Pure, unfiltered greed.

It's like they saw the dollar signs and couldn't stop and think about what made RO popular.

That is a rare sighting of the elusive male elfslut

Where do you get these stats?

ToS is weird in that they really had something going, but just pissed all over it.
I would genuinely play the game if it was still in its CBT1/CBT2 state before they got the quest railroad completed. Having to grind with a party was the closest to RO I feel a modern game has come.

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It's not 100% accurate, it just looks at current owners/players in Steam's statistics bar and keeps a tally.

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>Having to grind with a party was the closest to RO I feel a modern game has come.
I still don't get how people see this
>shitty mob spawns
>mob respawning in waves instead of per mob
>mob density is and was ass
>cooldown based combat making every single thing slow
I mean CBT1 had some potential because people grouped together and the community wasnt as shitty because it was very enclosed, but otherwise I am missing how you could see RO in the eyes of the disfigured creature we call ToS

Gems. People are just dropping gems on the floor.
I should fish to get a Trinity set though.

what are top dmg classes in dragon nest now?

Post ded gaems

Sorry, I fell asleep. If you're a spic then it might be better to play on Elbor. It's the official Spanish server but a lot of people migrated to it because it had some beginner benefits early on. I think it's more populated than Remi but I don't play in it.

>I mean CBT1 had some potential because people grouped together

This is exactly why, though.
You were required to in order to get anywhere. So the community stuck together, and it prospered because of it.

Sure, being a CBT probably helped *some*, but that's not even near a contributing factor. Necessity was part of why RO was so comfy and close-knit.

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>Necessity was part of why RO was so comfy and close-knit.
Not really, you didn't need to party almost at all in RO but people did because people weren't solobabbs.

its one of the reasons I've avoided private servers after 2008, every server is just the same nostalgiabois rushing to 99 so they can re-live their nostalgia for a week or so

>the HP in DN NA ranked pvp is so tiny, you die in a single combo

what where they thinking

Probably anything with awakening

>sorc awakening
>top dps

pls no bully

Reaper/Raven/Sniper.

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>Not really, you didn't need to party almost at all in RO but people did because people weren't solobabbs.

I am of the opinion that the modern MMO structure causes solobabbies, not solobabies latching onto the modern MMO structure.

The reason people became solitary in the first place is because it was far more efficient to run quest chains alone as you didn't have to wait for people to match your quest chains, every, single, one. So people just played solo because the quests were designed with solo in mind to begin with.

RO didn't _require_ a party, but it was extremely tedious without one and was like a big interactive chatroom when you had one.

Oh yeah, RO didn't really have that many quests aside from some of the bigger ones that most people didn't discover in the first place.

I agree with your basic concept as well, I think if there is to come an actual alternative to Ragnarok Online, I hope the developers hide all their quests and cool shit behind serversided stuff.

Speaking of quests, what game has good quests in it?

Runescape quests is pretty fun.

I think you can have a quest structure that's pretty open, but the quest into questchain into chain into chain method is pretty awful. Popularized by WoW and never again revisited.
I think quests would work a lot better if they were much fewer in number and larger in scale. (IE: Less "Kill 20 hoblins" and more "Stop the hoblin invasion", a shared quest by everyone in the area.

The best quest systems I remember comes from a select few of games, but that may be because of my preferred style of game.

-Diablo 2
-Torchlight
-Tabula Rasa (This had an interesting quest system in itself)

I don't really get the big deal with socializing in mmos. I mean, it is an MMO but still socializing amounted to politeness of saying hi, good job, and then goodbye. It doesn't amount to this epic soul mate romanticizing you guys seem to make it out to be.

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I agree.
I still party when doing bosses or quests but sometimes I just want to be left alone and play by myself.

Well, for one, MMORPGs are built for socializing.
It's kind of why it has 'MASSIVELY' in the title 'Massively Multiplayer Online'.

You're supposed to be socializing, theoretically most of the time, in it. There's nothing wrong with playing alone, but you are missing something from someone who plays consistently in a group.

It's more than just saying 'Hi, Good job, Goodbye'. This is the trend that modern finders and quest chains have imposed upon people, where parties are throw-away and really only needing one for dungeons in which you are never expected to talk because you are expected to already know the content before you hit the finder button.

There was a time in not just MMORPGs, but multiplayer video games in general; where the socialization aspect of it was the biggest part. Where each game was akin to an IRC chat where you played a game while making friends. Those games of old even integrated with IRC clients because their functionality was so similar.
And this pre-dates MMORPGs, this goes back to the MUDs of old. The introduction of more and more solitary elements in multiplayer games, is what ended this trend.

And it really only ended for a few types of online cultures. BRs, Germans, and Japs still treat the multiplayer games as a social experience. The english-speaking world is really the biggest place on the internet where that trend has subsided.

You sort of had to be there to understand.

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That's fine, but the problem modern games have is that being left alone and playing by yourself is now the encouraged playstyle of most themepark MMORPGs. It's the only way to breeze through levels and quests because you can only be responsible for one person's progress in that system: Yourself.

There was a time when meeting other people at grinding spots, at questing locations, asking for help, tips, tricks, and banter was just the culture of most online games. It had its downsides, you always had things like the Barrens chat in some form in these games, but on the local-scale only with the people who were your level: it worked.
You would enjoy partying a lot more to the point where you would want to do nothing but party at every opportunity if that culture still existed. I believe everyone becoming oddly silent except for the endless noise of the global chat (which, by the way, having a universal global chat sucks and I don't know why anyone thought it was a good idea) is the result of these games just shoving their multiplayer aspect off to the side.

Also re-iterating: Fuck global chats. If there is anything you need to know from a global chat, you should be forced to look at a message board or a forum. Nothing is worse than a steady stream of incoherent rambling that makes people scared to talk lest they look like one of the fools in the global chat.

Diablo 1 & 2 are literally the only games I've ever cared about lore and quests

So I'm suppose to enjoy some underage kid screaming in the mic that I'm a faggot or that one mother that has no business playing mmos and instead is holding the group up because their baby is crying and then says, "well I can do both, hurr".

>their baby is crying and then says, "well I can do both, hurr".
Happened all the fucking time in my raiding days

Ladder update soon

It pisses me off, because if you're a parent shouldn't your priority be taking care of your kid. Not playing an mmo.

> So I'm suppose to enjoy some underage kid screaming in the mic that I'm a faggot or that one mother that has no business playing mmos and instead is holding the group up because their baby is crying and then says, "well I can do both, hurr".

Of course not. You're supposed to, in an ideal system, find like-minded people to party with. You would be able to do this, because talking to people wouldn't be seen as taboo.

What you just described is exactly a symptom brought about by finders and raids.

A party is supposed to be similar to its namesake: a group of people who are alike enough to enjoy the company of one another.

A bunch of people who are in a group that share no common traits except the desire to finish the task at hand and disappear forever isn't a party. It's a lynch mob designed for dungeons. Guess which one that party finders and global LFG chats will typically put you in?

Elsword may not be truly dead. But it's dead to me.
So much wasted potential.

Adding to this: The reason this became a problem to begin with is because quests now dictate which dungeons you can run in modern MMOs.

It used to be that the dungeons you ran determined the quests you take. But the themepark aspect now means that you can't enter dungeons if you don't have the quest chain yet, which could be dozens of quests in length. This cuts pretty much everyone that you know out of the equation because nobody is going to have exactly the combination of quests you are running unless they've already done it.

Old games like Mabi and RO still have the classic system, where you can enter almost any dungeon you want and the worst thing that happens is that it kicks your ass because you're too underleveled. But that system still meant that you could play with your friends.

You wouldn't normally ever socialize or even look in the general direction of the dunce trying to use the computer as a day-care for their child. The very fact that you're forced to because that child is the only one that has your combination of quests to enter the dungeon is a failure of the quest and LFG system at large.

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what you think of this

The first couple of Diablo games had some of the best lore delivery systems ever.
For one, D1 and 2 didn't saturate the players with quests, instead focusing on the steps needed to complete the main quest: Kill Diablo. That was more than what the player needed, really. I think a lot of games could learn from that, even if they are themepark in nature.

>why players won't 'hype'.

Well, that's simple. It's hard to get hype about a game that costs twenty dollars and enters closed beta (paid beta) while being 66% Chinese and Russian with 5% wingdings.

I'm in the beta, got stuck on that quest NPC last night, and haven't started it at all today.

It's not like people didn't warn you about mail.ru.

Makes it sound like I should just give up mmos at this point. I'm absolutely despise communities and I can't tolerate the shitters I'm running into and looking at streams of other mmos and mobas. It saddens me that mmos are going to hell, because I love mmos and it is the only video game genre I can enjoy.

You don't have to quit, but have you considered being a little more outward to other people? You might find some people who feel exactly like you do. Maybe even in threads just like these.

It's not all hopeless, just because the culture is dead doesn't mean you have to conform. I still find some nice people from time to time.

>Want to play Sniper in Dragon Nest
>Made a skill build to check all the skills
>Lets see some gameplay
>What the flying fuck

Mostly the Siege stance, they get in, throw some skills, get out, rinse and repeat, dont even know what are the skills but it's such a clusterfuck, how do you even play that?

I have not found a single person that likes me when I'm honest.

Why? Is it the way you're talking to them or is this an endemic problem that extends beyond the MMORPG?

other people are mindless insects that only exist to serve me.

I told people I'm voting for Trump.

I'm sure there must be people in these threads or something that wouldn't blow a gasket by telling them that. It seems kind of minor.

I have seen other people who start voicing their opinions about black IQ scores, but that subject material is probably not the best for the MMORPG.

I think people who are playing mmos are left lining and liberal, because I've not ran into a single person that thinks like me.

So as I said people don't like me when I'm honest and I don't like being subtle or tactful like Jews are with their money.

Think of it as attending a party. Would you start telling people your feelings about the jews at a party?

this, i don't get why I *have* to enjoy other people. they're only there to make the game easy for me.

Well considering I'm a neet... Then again I believe truth is more important than feelings.

I realize that my honesty is turning normies away, but I still enjoy playing mmos. I just don't think I could ever socialize with substance since I'm so honest.

not him, but I dont play video games to wear another fucking mask after having to do so for basically our whole lives anyway nowadays.

the most fun ive had lately is just treating discord as a sort of better irc and being on servers that originated with people from Veeky Forums.

where I can talk about porn, chinese cartoons then videogames and not get met with the usual american prudeness for anything sexual.

Being a little more outgoing can find some people who think just like you in unlikely places. Veeky Forums isn't the last bastion of silly, crude humor on the internet.

Try just joining the discord and asking if anyone is around your level

I used to think like this, quite a bit. That literally no one would want to talk about anime, porn, or dumb shit while I'm playing.
turns out, most mmos are filled with people that do and have no problem with it. The trick is breaking them out of their shell because they feel the same that you do right now.

no, but for the most part it has the most like-minded people i've come to enjoy being with. the general behaviour of people that lurk here basically.

sadly im not very outgoing, i do respond to being communicated with, i'm just not one likely to initiate. had a lot of bad experiences in teenage years on the internet with it, always worrying if im annoying someone. figuring they would contact me if they wanted anything (to play or talk)

I also only tend to be on the games actively doing something, otherwise I am just hanging on irc reading something on the net.

>Try just joining the discord and asking if anyone is around your level

I can do that fine. I just know no one will enjoy anything I talk about, because my talk turns even weeaboos away and they're the biggest degenerates that play mmos.

What do you talk about?
I'm curious, now. Is it ERP?

the only way to turn me away is if you tried to talk about how great hillary is, or how great scat is or something.

For example, the other day in FFXIV. I talked about how wikileaks showed that the liberal party is full of pedos.

And the day before during a pvp match I talked about how a welfare state is bad and that the poor are parasites and shouldn't be treated as people.

Is it the subject matter that you think causes them to turn away, or the politics itself?
Also, do they just awkwardly leave your party or swear at you?

I want to play a free to play MMORPG that is popular all around, both in low levels and endgames.
What game to pick? Which game would you guys consider THE most popular free to play MMORPG?

I think they're sheeple that don't want to see the truth. In this case, they kicked me from the pvp match.

Sometimes they can't kick me because I'm the tank. No one wants to play tank in FFXIV so I'm usually war and it's always a tank bonus for doing those roulette.

It might just be FFXIV but there are a ton of libtards that play mmos that I run into.

Runescape.

I once got kicked out of a guild for asking why homosexuality isn't considered a mental illness anymore.

Yeah, Runescape is really the only option for your needs.
Tera, but no early game.
FFXIV, but P2P.
Tree of Savior, but I don't know enough about early/end game.

Why do you keep posting cat pictures/gifs?
Stop it.

There's more than 1 person that posts them

>Tree of Savior

Stop it.

are you talking about me?

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I dont know why you're so triggered with people posting cats.

My cat died last week.

>Play Elsword
>Plays solo because i have shitty connection and dont want to anger people just by me joining them.
>Cant proceed beyond Lvl 85 since my stats are shit and i cant even defeat a boss in Secret Dungeons.
Maybe ill play AK seriously. Only Elesis stops me quitting the game.

i see. condolence for your cat user.

10 more days before the best F2P mmo goes live guys! So HYPED!

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which mmo is that ?

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Futa Fantasy World is coming out?