I'll take this time to remind you that Ashura had no tailed beast or special eyes and was explicitly stated to have not been born with any of the talent that Hagoromo had.
/nsunsg/ - Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm General
Grayson Green
Isaac Ortiz
>it is impossible to quantify this
Lee trained until his entire body bled, DAILY. Naruto pulled pranks and slept in class.
>you entirely miss the point
So you can't show where it's implied? That's why it's an asspull, it WASN'T foreshadowed and all signs pointed to Obito geniunely not caring about Hokage anymore, just Rin and the absurdity of her death.
>yep
Explain him being a genius in multiple ways?
>missing the point
He was the chosen one nonetheless and canon shows Ashura was not weaker than Indra.
>reverse casuality
If he is Chosen because he will become strong, that implies that he will become strong by virtue of being chosen, even if being chosen didn't directly cause it.
Being Chosen implies you will become strong by your own words.
Logan Thomas
Sorry, but this standpoint has been retconned because kishi is a fucking hack
Jacob Fisher
For that matter, why not Naruto too? Konoha could have had Uchiha and Uzumaki babies of doom.
Brandon Kelly
Naruto's BONE, yes, but Neji's overall view was that there are born winners, born losers. Neji couldn't actually tell which was which correctly, but oh man did they exist. Hell, HE FUCKING DIED WHILE HINATA LIVED
MAIN HOUSE FTW
Robert Gray
>explicitly
NOPE
He was said to have inherited the sage's body or whatnot as opposed to Indra who got eyes and super chakra.
Ayden Anderson
Nacho is retarded, but it's not like the other characters are really written to be any smarter.
>Learn sealing jutsu and sage mode like Minato
>Sage up, now SC training is available
>After enough training find a tailed beast
>Put in in your gut
Alternatively
>Beborn Uchiha
Kill your loved one
>Replace eyes with some other MS user
>Find Hashi's jizz
EZ PZ
David Miller
You didn't answer the question.
Could this guy right here beat Naruto in a fight given he's clearly got years of experience under his belt.
How many years should we give him to prepare?
Andrew Reed
Naruto outstripped Kakashi and Gai and Jiraiya despite all of them being older and actively working for improvement in less than 8 years.
Landon Cooper
>Lee trained until his entire body bled, DAILY. Naruto pulled pranks and slept in class.
Lee's explicitly a genius of hard work. Looks like he was born in better circumstances than Naruto. :^)
>So you can't show where it's implied? That's why it's an asspull, it WASN'T foreshadowed and all signs pointed to Obito geniunely not caring about Hokage anymore, just Rin and the absurdity of her death.
Reread Chapter 607. Obito still cared, even if he said he didn't.
>Explain him being a genius in multiple ways?
He wasn't a genius. He was just unconventional and worked hard.
>He was the chosen one nonetheless and canon shows Ashura was not weaker than Indra.
Ashura was not weaker, but he was less naturally talented. That's explicitly canon.
>Being Chosen implies you will become strong by your own words.
Wrong. Naruto could only be the chosen one because he lifted himself out of his disadvantages. It's not that the Hokage is acknowledged by everyone, but that the one who is acknowledged by everyone becomes Hokage.
>Naruto's BONE, yes, but Neji's overall view was that there are born winners, born losers
But you're leaving out that Neji's specific point was that you could easily tell who the winners and losers were just by looking at them. He was wrong.
>He was said to have inherited the sage's body
This was said after the fact because Ashura became strong in spite of his lack of talent.
You are explicitly wrong. You lose.