Tried Googling this, but I usually get either porn or romance fiction

Tried Googling this, but I usually get either porn or romance fiction.

This is something I've wondered about on occasion, in part because it occasionally comes up in books or TV. How common was it for nobles to lay with household servants? Be it lord with the chambermaid or lady with the stableman. Was it seen as essentially "part of the job" and generally acceptable on both sides, or looked down upon by the nobles' peers and typically unwilling for the lower class?

I figure it wasn't *too* common, given the diplomatic importance of marriages among nobility; the lord boinking the maid could tick off the father of the lady if she's against it. But at the same time, people in powerful positions may take advantage of some of the benefits; somewhat comparable things happen nowadays, like the businessman/official and the secretary.

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Well off students in 19th Century France who stayed in dorms made "being open for a fuck" a requirement for hiring maids, called "Grisettes."

>It was customary, for example, for the large numbers of students from the
provinces to take mistresses, thus giving rise to the curious profession of grisette. One
close English observer of student life, while falling over backward not to condone the
condition, ended up conveying a certain admiration for such women. They looked after
their students faithfully and well, even managed the budget, in return for relief from dull
and ill-remunerated employment. While they might, like the ill-fated Fantine in Hugo's
Les Miserables, be left totally in the lurch when the student returned to provincial respon-
sibilities, and while marriage was out of the question, they sometimes received support
for children and perhaps some sort of payoff (being set up with a shop being a favorite-
many of the independent women owners got their start this way) in return for their faith-
ful service.

-"Paris, Capital of Modernity" by David Harvey

yeah it was part of the job, especially if you worked for a bachelor. I read about it somewhere. I'm looking for a source atm.

> They looked after
their students faithfully and well, even managed the budget, in return for relief from dull
and ill-remunerated employment.

That's weirdly touching, though probably not always perfect.

> How common was it for nobles to lay with household servants?

Nowadays, the vast majority of affairs (and thus subsequent divorces) happen between co-workers, so I’d guess the Lord of the Manor banging the maids was pretty common, as they lived among each other every day with the added pressure of the nobilitie’s inherited social and political power and being able to screw up the maid’s life by giving a bad reference if she quit..

It was a "don't ask don't tell" sort of deal

wtf
i hate men even more now

is it really so hard just to masturbate? jesus christ, you pigs

my grandfather laid his housemaid at least once a week until he died

The thought of being a young working class maid getting pinned down and fucked by nobility doesn't make your pussy tingle?

How can it make my pussy tingle if I don't have one of those?

no user, it makes me very uncomfortable. and i AM a young working class "maid" (hotel cleaner).
you have no idea about the harassment as it is.

Damn tell me some stories, anyone ever touch your butt?

>getting your own property just for shagging a handsome nobleman
>in any way a bad deal

I know that you don't know this but real life isn't like smut and not many people apart from freaks enjoy randomly getting pinned to the ground. In fact that's shit

Life imitates art. Be more open minded and surrender your body to your master.

Smut isn't art its smut. Does life imitate smut? Does every pizza delivery guy get laid?

I assume it was pretty common. I don't know much about it other my Great Great Grandmother was a result of an affair between some Irish aristocrat & a scullery maid.

My Great Great grandma was given enough money & education to become a school teacher at a time when Ireland was in the shit (just after the Potato famine) so that was nice I guess.

>tfw great great great grandfather was born because a thing like that

At least i'm not fully peasant tier

Although he and his mother had to flee to brazil, he grew up there and decided to come back to Italy just before the war started

You sound uptight maybe you should let your hair down, let the wind carry you and see where it takes you. You never know you might enjoy it.

You should try actually learning how to flirt with someone. And not listening to how your dad scores your mom.

>implying you didn't take advantage of that qt latino pizza delivery boy
as a slut you know very well that some women enjoy sex, for these women it isn't a big deal for them to choose some rich guy to do it with and work for them at the same time, sorry some 400 lb creep stuck his hand up your dress but that doesn't entitle you to ruin the fun for everyone else

>as a slut you know very well that some women enjoy sex, for these women it isn't a big deal for them to choose some rich guy to do it with and work for them at the same time, sorry some 400 lb creep stuck his hand up your dress but that doesn't entitle you to ruin the fun for everyone else

What are you even talking about

I'm talking about you. The roasty who is a massive slut herself then scolds men who take advantage of other women's sluttiness.

What are YOU talking about?

>you have no idea about the harassment as it is
the 400 lb creep was my guess as to how you were harassed, to use as an example

>no user, it makes me very uncomfortable. and i AM a young working class "maid" (hotel cleaner).

Lewdposting aside, this isn't the same sort of thing. Modern housekeeping for a hotel crosses the boundaries of professional ethics and treatment by strangers. A Grisette was more like an escort or a mistress whose only obligation to a student admirer was attention.

Housemaids were more like your situation, yet not, because while as a hotel worker you serve a place of business which accommodates a large number of clients, the relationship between housemaids and the homeowner in the past was more like the relationship between a modern family and a regular babysitter. It's more personal, and boundaries get crossed more often than they should because of it. Of course abuse happened from an obvious position of power, but it wasn't anonymous or impersonal.

Probably falls into the category of "generally frowned upon but not uncommon." In the US, plantation owners fucking female slaves wasn't rare at all. Even Thomas Jefferson did it. In fact, he's probably the most famous example of it.

isn't , user. You're confused.

Mfw we won't have to read stupid female bullshit like this anymore when sandniggers (aided by stupid women too, ironically enough) have taken over the west because all women would be staying at home baking bread and pleasing their husbands like they're supposed to

Fuck you smut has amazing potential

Are you guys seriously falling for one of the most obvious bait posts ever, that is almost certainly not from a femanon?

I'm sorry we can have sex without getting pregnant. You don't have to be mad about it though

>what is birth control

You, on the other hand, can never without the use of a condom be certain you're not cream-pieing a fertile vagina. Surprise baby! :-)
You don't have to be mad about it though.

I was referring to historic sex, since that is what you replied to and what this thread is about.

Men could have casual sex back in the day because they didn't have any consequences for it, women couldn't.

And back in the day a husband couldn't know for sure if """"his"""" children was actually his.
Of course, even though we have the technology today most never DNA-test :)
kinda makes you think huh

>And back in the day a husband couldn't know for sure if """"his"""" children was actually his.
I mean, he probably could. Whether by gossip or the woman just getting pregnant even though there was no sex. People didn't move that much back in the day, having an affair with another man when your husband is in the same house is quite hard to maintain.

>People didn't move that much back in the day, having an affair with another man when your husband is in the same house is quite hard to maintain.

He's not wrong.

Relax my autistic friend

You don't understand men at all

Sex isn't a conscious whim like it is for you, it's like being hungry or needing to piss for us

Are you really such a virgin you don't believe women get horny in the same way men do? user...
Just because you're hungry doesn't mean you need to eat. And if you do choose to eat, it is sufficient to temporarily still your hunger through eating a less delicious meal rather than it having to be kobe beef cooked to perfection.

You just don't get it do you?

Men complete and utter pigs

Imagine a life where you have never been great at anything, never felt the urge to be great at anything, never felt that magnetic admiration to someone who was great at something, wanted to imitate and ultimately defeat him. Just nothing. Literally all you do in life is exist to post on Veeky Forums. Occupy space. pass the time.

You're bored, as usual, posting about your fucking dislikes and not even feeling any kind of happiness from it, just soothing your constant need to be bitter and cunty and petty toward other people. Every single thing you've done in the past year was mundane, shallow, boring. You spent the last six hours reading kinda-interesting plebbit stories about people who made interesting buildings for their populace or some stupid bullshit that you think is interesting and you may say is interesting but you're not really sure if it's really interesting. You're just fucking sitting there, gestating, fermenting, with a moist hole between your ears that guarantees you'll at some point have to get up and move around and perform physical labor to support yourself.

And then you see women, over in some corner, having fun. You've never seen this before. What are they even doing? Instead of their consciousnesses merely sitting in their thick skull and revolving around itself, they are imbuing their conscious energy and intentionality into external objects, crafts, goals, projects. All the bitterness and cuntiness you feel nonstop seems to be absent from them, as they congratulate each other for being victorious, and happily learn from someone who defeated them.These creatures are truly content to be alive. They have found purpose in a purposeless universe.

And your gaze turns back on itself, on your self, and you realise you've never had that.You can never have it. So you sit down, you post on Veeky Forums, and you fucking ruin your life, the whole fucking thing. The five seconds of attention you get will be worth destroying it.Because you're failure like OP.

>And then you see women, over in some corner, having fun
Not even getting the copypasta right

1/10, and you had all summer to practice, user... i'm disappointed.

is basically right though, even if you have a gf there is a sex demand gap, you want sex 7 to 14 times a week, she wants it 4 or 5 times, relationships are about compromise so 6 or 7 is ideal and you fap 1 to 8 times a week

>implying women serving wealthy and/or powerfull men wouldn't be down-to-fuck on a regular basis

It wasn't part of the job user; it was an occupational perk for the ladies.

>relationships are about compromise so 6 or 7 is ideal
forcing your gf to have sex with you a single time more than what she actually want is literally rape.
for sex there should be and cannot be any compromise. a no IS a no, and a "if i have to, because you nagged about it for 4 hours and will start a fight if i don't" is also, morally, a no.

rape is pretty hot desu

>ameripoor don't have people working at home

Even the poorest have someone to watch their dishes down here in Brazil

>watch their dishes

In case someone steal them?

I never said it should be written into law that they have sex at least 6 times a week, that was just a rough example you mong

You jackasses throwing around the word rape in situations like this have cheapened the word to such an extent that spergs have stopped taking it seriously in actual, real rape cases.

Going "Ugh I guess, if it'll shut you up" doesn't mean they fucking raped you. The fact that people can legitimately play the rape card in such a circumstance ridiculous. Rape is a serious crime, but you morons really are trying your hardest to make it the most trivial thing.

>I never said it should be written into law that they have sex at least 6 times a week
and nor have i commented on anything regarding legislation at all... or implied you have, for that matter.

So you know how there was a big thing about taking the word rape out of the casual vocabulary for things like "I kicked your ass at call of duty." and shit?

I wonder if SJWs get their way if it'll come full circle and if you beat a girl at a videogame she can accuse you of rape and get you thrown in prison for 20 years.

>wahhh i'm autistic and don't understand that words can have a broad meaning

Do you complain about people claiming to "love hamburgers" too? IT ISN'T LOVE LIKE ETERNAL ROMANTIC LOVE IN DISNEY MOVIES!!!!!!!
"This dessert is delicious". IT ISNT ACTUALLY DELICIOUS IT'S JUST BETTER THAN AVERAGE, IT IS GOOD AT BEST WAHHHHH

Yeah, just like saying "We got murdered at the ball game last night" doesn't mean some dipshit can go and get you accused of a federal crime you fucking mong.

When someone says "you raped me" it's a serious fucking accusation.

Until the 16th century, wealthy European men faced no stigma for adultery with poor women

This attitude didn't really die until the 1970s

Yes, and it always is. It's a scale, but even the """"least"""" horrible kind of rape" is horrible, user.

This kind of nonsense is probably part of why some men are deciding women aren't worth the trouble. When you're rolling the dice on a federal offence every time you sleep with your own fucking girlfriend it's getting to be a bit much.

What men? I've never encountered one. You're all as desperate.
And it isn't "rolling the dice". Just don't rape anyone and you're fine. It's that simple actually.

...

I remember reading a few medieval romances where the hero pines for his courtly love (mostly married women) and then goes to relieve his sexual frustration by raping a farmgirl at the recommendation of fellow knights

No, rape is a crime, where someone forces you to have sex consequentially.

There is no scale, its black and white. You can say someone is a disgusting pervert who uses women, but that does not make him a rapist

No it isn't. It's voluntarily giving your partner what they what. That is not "horrible". Actual rape is horrible. Having sex when you're not in the mood is not horrible if you still chose to do it. Someone pressuring you to have sex with them is not horrible, because you do still have the right to say no.

rape is a social construct invented by libertarians dummy

>Even the poorest have someone to watch their dishes down here in Brazil
ye, it's called a wife

>all the people responding to the 'femanon'
it's fucking clear it's a guy trolling, ye it's pretty impressive but still clear

>for sex there should be and cannot be any compromise
Think about what this implies. You are saying ANY sex act which on its own someone would not normally do is rape, even if they get something in return.

For example...

A man and a woman agree to a 69.

The man would not lick pussy if he did not get his dick sucked.

The woman would not suck dick if she did not get her pussy licked.

Logically explain why this makes the man a rapist and then explain why the woman is not a rapist when she is basically doing the same thing (sucking dick and licking pussy are both sex acts).

go

does rape turn you on?

All the time if you went by DeSade novels as a source.

Why masturbate when you could just fuck a maid?

wtf i hate men now

Considering African Americans are 25% caucasian on the paternal side and one of the biggest pro-segregation activists had daughter with his servant.

I'd say a fuck ton of them had a little bastard with them or so.

Atleast it's also a relieve that there is a large chance that everyone is more or less descended from noblemen :^)

The modern Vargs needs to shut the fuck up and stop releasing shitty ambient albums.

>I'd say a fuck ton of them had a little bastard with them or so.
Sherlock fucking homes over here.

Arnold Schwarzenegger fucked his maid.

>Considering African Americans are 25% caucasian on the paternal side

But they sure don't look like it.

I've seen literally a half-black half-white mulatto guy who looks like he came straight from some isolated tribe in central Africa. Those black phenotype genes are stronk as fuck.

>one of the biggest pro-segregation activists had daughter with his servant.

Who?

>Who?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

What? Source?

>I have to because you nagged me about it for 4 hours
This is not rape.
I have been raped. By a person with whom I was in a long term relationship.
Coercion is different. In a rape, you are treated as an object and not a person. It is scary as fuck, not just annoying. It takes a long time to get over, and it takes a long time to be okay with even being touched, because it is a violent and abusive act.
By broadening the definition, you take away from the actual horror of real rape.

t. femanon (relevant to discussion)

>muh feels
Thank you for contributing literally nothing to the discussion while simultaneously attention-whoring. I'm sure everyone appreciates yet another dialogue being derailed by the parasite gender.

Sorry about that experience femanon. My condolences.

I don't get it

As long as the person doing the rape is reasonably attractive what's the big deal?

"Boo hoo, this person made me cum"

Thanks, user

>we are living in dark times

>being treated like an object
The memes are real. Do you ever even really think about stuff?