Tried Googling this, but I usually get either porn or romance fiction.
This is something I've wondered about on occasion, in part because it occasionally comes up in books or TV. How common was it for nobles to lay with household servants? Be it lord with the chambermaid or lady with the stableman. Was it seen as essentially "part of the job" and generally acceptable on both sides, or looked down upon by the nobles' peers and typically unwilling for the lower class?
I figure it wasn't *too* common, given the diplomatic importance of marriages among nobility; the lord boinking the maid could tick off the father of the lady if she's against it. But at the same time, people in powerful positions may take advantage of some of the benefits; somewhat comparable things happen nowadays, like the businessman/official and the secretary.
Well off students in 19th Century France who stayed in dorms made "being open for a fuck" a requirement for hiring maids, called "Grisettes."
>It was customary, for example, for the large numbers of students from the provinces to take mistresses, thus giving rise to the curious profession of grisette. One close English observer of student life, while falling over backward not to condone the condition, ended up conveying a certain admiration for such women. They looked after their students faithfully and well, even managed the budget, in return for relief from dull and ill-remunerated employment. While they might, like the ill-fated Fantine in Hugo's Les Miserables, be left totally in the lurch when the student returned to provincial respon- sibilities, and while marriage was out of the question, they sometimes received support for children and perhaps some sort of payoff (being set up with a shop being a favorite- many of the independent women owners got their start this way) in return for their faith- ful service.
-"Paris, Capital of Modernity" by David Harvey
Gabriel Clark
yeah it was part of the job, especially if you worked for a bachelor. I read about it somewhere. I'm looking for a source atm.
Logan Young
> They looked after their students faithfully and well, even managed the budget, in return for relief from dull and ill-remunerated employment.
That's weirdly touching, though probably not always perfect.
Josiah Allen
> How common was it for nobles to lay with household servants?
Nowadays, the vast majority of affairs (and thus subsequent divorces) happen between co-workers, so I’d guess the Lord of the Manor banging the maids was pretty common, as they lived among each other every day with the added pressure of the nobilitie’s inherited social and political power and being able to screw up the maid’s life by giving a bad reference if she quit..
Connor Kelly
It was a "don't ask don't tell" sort of deal
Camden Thompson
wtf i hate men even more now
is it really so hard just to masturbate? jesus christ, you pigs
John Cruz
my grandfather laid his housemaid at least once a week until he died
Ryder Lewis
The thought of being a young working class maid getting pinned down and fucked by nobility doesn't make your pussy tingle?
Grayson Reed
How can it make my pussy tingle if I don't have one of those?
Ethan Rogers
no user, it makes me very uncomfortable. and i AM a young working class "maid" (hotel cleaner). you have no idea about the harassment as it is.
Hudson Sanders
Damn tell me some stories, anyone ever touch your butt?
Jace Nguyen
>getting your own property just for shagging a handsome nobleman >in any way a bad deal
Sebastian Lopez
I know that you don't know this but real life isn't like smut and not many people apart from freaks enjoy randomly getting pinned to the ground. In fact that's shit
Noah Gutierrez
Life imitates art. Be more open minded and surrender your body to your master.
Adam Harris
Smut isn't art its smut. Does life imitate smut? Does every pizza delivery guy get laid?
Christopher Morris
I assume it was pretty common. I don't know much about it other my Great Great Grandmother was a result of an affair between some Irish aristocrat & a scullery maid.
My Great Great grandma was given enough money & education to become a school teacher at a time when Ireland was in the shit (just after the Potato famine) so that was nice I guess.
Logan Collins
>tfw great great great grandfather was born because a thing like that
At least i'm not fully peasant tier
Although he and his mother had to flee to brazil, he grew up there and decided to come back to Italy just before the war started
Jonathan Rogers
You sound uptight maybe you should let your hair down, let the wind carry you and see where it takes you. You never know you might enjoy it.
Henry Richardson
You should try actually learning how to flirt with someone. And not listening to how your dad scores your mom.
Carter Lewis
>implying you didn't take advantage of that qt latino pizza delivery boy as a slut you know very well that some women enjoy sex, for these women it isn't a big deal for them to choose some rich guy to do it with and work for them at the same time, sorry some 400 lb creep stuck his hand up your dress but that doesn't entitle you to ruin the fun for everyone else
Carson Campbell
>as a slut you know very well that some women enjoy sex, for these women it isn't a big deal for them to choose some rich guy to do it with and work for them at the same time, sorry some 400 lb creep stuck his hand up your dress but that doesn't entitle you to ruin the fun for everyone else
What are you even talking about
Brandon Green
I'm talking about you. The roasty who is a massive slut herself then scolds men who take advantage of other women's sluttiness.
What are YOU talking about?
>you have no idea about the harassment as it is the 400 lb creep was my guess as to how you were harassed, to use as an example
Chase Young
>no user, it makes me very uncomfortable. and i AM a young working class "maid" (hotel cleaner).
Lewdposting aside, this isn't the same sort of thing. Modern housekeeping for a hotel crosses the boundaries of professional ethics and treatment by strangers. A Grisette was more like an escort or a mistress whose only obligation to a student admirer was attention.
Housemaids were more like your situation, yet not, because while as a hotel worker you serve a place of business which accommodates a large number of clients, the relationship between housemaids and the homeowner in the past was more like the relationship between a modern family and a regular babysitter. It's more personal, and boundaries get crossed more often than they should because of it. Of course abuse happened from an obvious position of power, but it wasn't anonymous or impersonal.
Ayden James
Probably falls into the category of "generally frowned upon but not uncommon." In the US, plantation owners fucking female slaves wasn't rare at all. Even Thomas Jefferson did it. In fact, he's probably the most famous example of it.
Joshua Cox
isn't , user. You're confused.
Luis Nelson
Mfw we won't have to read stupid female bullshit like this anymore when sandniggers (aided by stupid women too, ironically enough) have taken over the west because all women would be staying at home baking bread and pleasing their husbands like they're supposed to
Daniel Scott
Fuck you smut has amazing potential
Jordan Morales
Are you guys seriously falling for one of the most obvious bait posts ever, that is almost certainly not from a femanon?
Jaxon Gutierrez
I'm sorry we can have sex without getting pregnant. You don't have to be mad about it though
Jonathan Peterson
>what is birth control
You, on the other hand, can never without the use of a condom be certain you're not cream-pieing a fertile vagina. Surprise baby! :-) You don't have to be mad about it though.
Juan Smith
I was referring to historic sex, since that is what you replied to and what this thread is about.
Men could have casual sex back in the day because they didn't have any consequences for it, women couldn't.
Blake Morris
And back in the day a husband couldn't know for sure if """"his"""" children was actually his. Of course, even though we have the technology today most never DNA-test :) kinda makes you think huh
Matthew Sullivan
>And back in the day a husband couldn't know for sure if """"his"""" children was actually his. I mean, he probably could. Whether by gossip or the woman just getting pregnant even though there was no sex. People didn't move that much back in the day, having an affair with another man when your husband is in the same house is quite hard to maintain.
Noah Anderson
>People didn't move that much back in the day, having an affair with another man when your husband is in the same house is quite hard to maintain.
Sebastian Adams
He's not wrong.
Gavin Wright
Relax my autistic friend
Aaron Butler
You don't understand men at all
Sex isn't a conscious whim like it is for you, it's like being hungry or needing to piss for us
Justin Powell
Are you really such a virgin you don't believe women get horny in the same way men do? user... Just because you're hungry doesn't mean you need to eat. And if you do choose to eat, it is sufficient to temporarily still your hunger through eating a less delicious meal rather than it having to be kobe beef cooked to perfection.
Lucas Cruz
You just don't get it do you?
Men complete and utter pigs
Nolan Morales
Imagine a life where you have never been great at anything, never felt the urge to be great at anything, never felt that magnetic admiration to someone who was great at something, wanted to imitate and ultimately defeat him. Just nothing. Literally all you do in life is exist to post on Veeky Forums. Occupy space. pass the time.
You're bored, as usual, posting about your fucking dislikes and not even feeling any kind of happiness from it, just soothing your constant need to be bitter and cunty and petty toward other people. Every single thing you've done in the past year was mundane, shallow, boring. You spent the last six hours reading kinda-interesting plebbit stories about people who made interesting buildings for their populace or some stupid bullshit that you think is interesting and you may say is interesting but you're not really sure if it's really interesting. You're just fucking sitting there, gestating, fermenting, with a moist hole between your ears that guarantees you'll at some point have to get up and move around and perform physical labor to support yourself.
And then you see women, over in some corner, having fun. You've never seen this before. What are they even doing? Instead of their consciousnesses merely sitting in their thick skull and revolving around itself, they are imbuing their conscious energy and intentionality into external objects, crafts, goals, projects. All the bitterness and cuntiness you feel nonstop seems to be absent from them, as they congratulate each other for being victorious, and happily learn from someone who defeated them.These creatures are truly content to be alive. They have found purpose in a purposeless universe.
And your gaze turns back on itself, on your self, and you realise you've never had that.You can never have it. So you sit down, you post on Veeky Forums, and you fucking ruin your life, the whole fucking thing. The five seconds of attention you get will be worth destroying it.Because you're failure like OP.
Dylan Hall
>And then you see women, over in some corner, having fun Not even getting the copypasta right
1/10, and you had all summer to practice, user... i'm disappointed.
Samuel Jones
is basically right though, even if you have a gf there is a sex demand gap, you want sex 7 to 14 times a week, she wants it 4 or 5 times, relationships are about compromise so 6 or 7 is ideal and you fap 1 to 8 times a week
Henry Torres
>implying women serving wealthy and/or powerfull men wouldn't be down-to-fuck on a regular basis
It wasn't part of the job user; it was an occupational perk for the ladies.
Isaiah Fisher
>relationships are about compromise so 6 or 7 is ideal forcing your gf to have sex with you a single time more than what she actually want is literally rape. for sex there should be and cannot be any compromise. a no IS a no, and a "if i have to, because you nagged about it for 4 hours and will start a fight if i don't" is also, morally, a no.
Xavier White
rape is pretty hot desu
Jack Martinez
>ameripoor don't have people working at home
Even the poorest have someone to watch their dishes down here in Brazil
Kevin Lopez
>watch their dishes
In case someone steal them?
Josiah Diaz
I never said it should be written into law that they have sex at least 6 times a week, that was just a rough example you mong
Hunter Hill
You jackasses throwing around the word rape in situations like this have cheapened the word to such an extent that spergs have stopped taking it seriously in actual, real rape cases.
Going "Ugh I guess, if it'll shut you up" doesn't mean they fucking raped you. The fact that people can legitimately play the rape card in such a circumstance ridiculous. Rape is a serious crime, but you morons really are trying your hardest to make it the most trivial thing.
Ayden Powell
>I never said it should be written into law that they have sex at least 6 times a week and nor have i commented on anything regarding legislation at all... or implied you have, for that matter.
Christian Phillips
So you know how there was a big thing about taking the word rape out of the casual vocabulary for things like "I kicked your ass at call of duty." and shit?
I wonder if SJWs get their way if it'll come full circle and if you beat a girl at a videogame she can accuse you of rape and get you thrown in prison for 20 years.
Owen Morgan
>wahhh i'm autistic and don't understand that words can have a broad meaning
Do you complain about people claiming to "love hamburgers" too? IT ISN'T LOVE LIKE ETERNAL ROMANTIC LOVE IN DISNEY MOVIES!!!!!!! "This dessert is delicious". IT ISNT ACTUALLY DELICIOUS IT'S JUST BETTER THAN AVERAGE, IT IS GOOD AT BEST WAHHHHH
John Ortiz
Yeah, just like saying "We got murdered at the ball game last night" doesn't mean some dipshit can go and get you accused of a federal crime you fucking mong.
When someone says "you raped me" it's a serious fucking accusation.
Noah Long
Until the 16th century, wealthy European men faced no stigma for adultery with poor women
This attitude didn't really die until the 1970s
Henry Foster
Yes, and it always is. It's a scale, but even the """"least"""" horrible kind of rape" is horrible, user.
Jaxon Sanders
This kind of nonsense is probably part of why some men are deciding women aren't worth the trouble. When you're rolling the dice on a federal offence every time you sleep with your own fucking girlfriend it's getting to be a bit much.
Juan Rogers
What men? I've never encountered one. You're all as desperate. And it isn't "rolling the dice". Just don't rape anyone and you're fine. It's that simple actually.
Carson Green
...
Ayden Butler
I remember reading a few medieval romances where the hero pines for his courtly love (mostly married women) and then goes to relieve his sexual frustration by raping a farmgirl at the recommendation of fellow knights
Ryder Lee
No, rape is a crime, where someone forces you to have sex consequentially.
There is no scale, its black and white. You can say someone is a disgusting pervert who uses women, but that does not make him a rapist
Jack Powell
No it isn't. It's voluntarily giving your partner what they what. That is not "horrible". Actual rape is horrible. Having sex when you're not in the mood is not horrible if you still chose to do it. Someone pressuring you to have sex with them is not horrible, because you do still have the right to say no.
Gavin Butler
rape is a social construct invented by libertarians dummy
Luke Rogers
>Even the poorest have someone to watch their dishes down here in Brazil ye, it's called a wife
Nicholas James
>all the people responding to the 'femanon' it's fucking clear it's a guy trolling, ye it's pretty impressive but still clear
Alexander Jenkins
>for sex there should be and cannot be any compromise Think about what this implies. You are saying ANY sex act which on its own someone would not normally do is rape, even if they get something in return.
For example...
A man and a woman agree to a 69.
The man would not lick pussy if he did not get his dick sucked.
The woman would not suck dick if she did not get her pussy licked.
Logically explain why this makes the man a rapist and then explain why the woman is not a rapist when she is basically doing the same thing (sucking dick and licking pussy are both sex acts).
go
Easton Jones
does rape turn you on?
Christian Diaz
All the time if you went by DeSade novels as a source.
Isaac Adams
Why masturbate when you could just fuck a maid?
Oliver Campbell
wtf i hate men now
Wyatt King
Considering African Americans are 25% caucasian on the paternal side and one of the biggest pro-segregation activists had daughter with his servant.
I'd say a fuck ton of them had a little bastard with them or so.
Atleast it's also a relieve that there is a large chance that everyone is more or less descended from noblemen :^)
Ryder Young
The modern Vargs needs to shut the fuck up and stop releasing shitty ambient albums.
Eli Russell
>I'd say a fuck ton of them had a little bastard with them or so. Sherlock fucking homes over here.
Kevin Adams
Arnold Schwarzenegger fucked his maid.
Adam Hall
>Considering African Americans are 25% caucasian on the paternal side
But they sure don't look like it.
I've seen literally a half-black half-white mulatto guy who looks like he came straight from some isolated tribe in central Africa. Those black phenotype genes are stronk as fuck.
>one of the biggest pro-segregation activists had daughter with his servant.
>I have to because you nagged me about it for 4 hours This is not rape. I have been raped. By a person with whom I was in a long term relationship. Coercion is different. In a rape, you are treated as an object and not a person. It is scary as fuck, not just annoying. It takes a long time to get over, and it takes a long time to be okay with even being touched, because it is a violent and abusive act. By broadening the definition, you take away from the actual horror of real rape.
t. femanon (relevant to discussion)
Jackson Edwards
>muh feels Thank you for contributing literally nothing to the discussion while simultaneously attention-whoring. I'm sure everyone appreciates yet another dialogue being derailed by the parasite gender.
Carter Harris
Sorry about that experience femanon. My condolences.
Owen Phillips
I don't get it
As long as the person doing the rape is reasonably attractive what's the big deal?
"Boo hoo, this person made me cum"
Jace Moore
Thanks, user
Connor Miller
>we are living in dark times
Aiden Richardson
>being treated like an object The memes are real. Do you ever even really think about stuff?