What went right?

Kept Mazda afloat so we could have Miatas and RX-7s.

focused on making a fun and interesting lineup that didn't just consist of economy shitboxes and SUV's.

>egoboost

You mean mazda kept ford afloat

Definitely not the ford GT

In terms of cars, maybe. But Mazda needed money, which Ford had.

And ford cant design an engine or chassis
Which mazda has.
Doesnt matter how much money you have if you cant produce a product

See
Gm fangirls so fucking desperate

Bringing the Bronco and Ranger back.

I thought it was just the Bronco. But hey Ranger is good too so fuck yeah

Panthers are good.

Run by the Ford family instead of bean counters and people worried about stock value.

The ford family is made of bean counters.
Thats why ford are cheap as fuck and not designed by ford for the most part.
They put very little effort into their products in order to pinch pennies.

The company is profitable, the cars are OK to great, no govt bailout.

They seem to know what they areally doing.

Unlike GM aND Fiat/Chrysler

>no govt bailout
They are still in massive debt.
Ford is great at hiding things
Unlike chevy
I dislike all american brands, but at least GM designes and produces their own products. Even if its shit
Same cannot be said for FCA and ford. They are dependant on others to help them.
Ford just has good marketing and a dimwhitted audience.

They're in debt because the loans aren't worth paying off.

People really need to think before they open their mouths

>expecting shills to use logic

>the loans aren't worth paying off
Thats not even correct
They have $117 billion in debt
100 billion being from ford credit

only thing mazda helped ford with was econoboxes sold in small foreign markets like south africa, australia, new zealand etc
you've gotta get something back right? like you dont just throw money at a sinking company and expect nothing in return... you have cuck mentality

lol this. mazda was going broke, ford gave them money, mazda built the rx7 very same year.

Who exactly is shilling?

>they're in debt because of loans
What's your point? This only benefits the consumer.

Shut your fucking mouth if you dont know what youre talking about child

So many gm shills

>this mad
so im right and youre wrong then?

Debt doesnt mean they make a good (or their own) product. Ford is a shell company for the most part.
They slap a badge on someone elses work

>i don't know what i'm talking about
The post

Stay retarded

Feel free to prove me wrong

lol wtf r u talkin about

>make claim without evidence
>prove me wrong
Gm shills....

GOOGLE, MOTHER FUCKER
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT?

I stated earlier i dont like GM either.
All the facts are easily found by searching.
Im not here to spoonfeed children

...

t. gm representative
Stay btfo

>Childish shit posting to remain ignorant and distract from fact
Ford shills have arrived

>refuses to use logical argument
Stay btfo. You had your chance.

Stay mad

In the last sixteen years? Fucking nothing. Their engineering team has all shit the bed. They can't design anything worth a shit since the Coyote - and it was BTFO by the Hemi in terms of raw technology from day one.

Ford a shit. Their cars a shit.

Still btter than gm

>I dislike all american brands

you really are fucking ignorant. As a car person how do you justify saying that?

>no SVT Lightning or anything related like the Tremor
come the fuck on ford, make me happy

Everything. They even avoided bankruptcy

Keeping my fingers crossed for a Ranger Raptor with the 2.7

Could possibly happen.. after all they did make a baja styled Ranger 25 years ago..

Didn't axe Oldsmobile

>ranger after 2011
UGH

Gt350 and Gt350r being recalled.
motortrend.com/news/ford-shelby-gt350-recalled-oil-leaks/

And yet it's faster than the Z/28.

>inb4 zl1
Slower than the rxc turbo

Gm fangirls literally cannot defend this

So fucking triggered rn

Ecoboost

kek, this

gm fags getting btfo in full blast today.

The new Mustang

Panthers and they need to come back

Ford is like the alpha of the betas. They are shit but they are at least slightly better than all the other shit. They will never be able to compete with the luxury Euro brands or the Japanese but they can hang in there. They are lucky that America is so prosperous and has a hard on for work vehicles because that is the only thing keeping their piece of shit brand alive.

This

>Luxury Euro
>Japanese

Never have I used the term "cuck" in a post before. You sir, are a cuck.

Ford is a mainstream brand though, why would they be trying to compete with Euro luxury? That's like pondering why Honda doesn't compete with Range Rover.

the ranger is ugly as shit, better off with an f150

Werid how the most iconic vehicles built are in house. and the ones everyone forgets about in 10 yrs are built by eurocucks

the transmissions in their pick-ups/SUVs are pretty fantastic, very rare for me to have to replace them.

Three days later and the thread isn't dead.

I never said they were worse than GM. GM is automotive Cancer and it reflects in how frequently they kill good companies and ideas.

Ford just sucks at doing anything new and interesting. Their cars are boring as fuck and they only survive because people know the brand. When the boomers all die off, they're fucked. At least FCA knows their audience. They've got a better chance at surviving the millenials.

>ford sucks at doing anything new and interesting
Found gm's marketing team

Barra engine. I really wish they'd put xr6t's in the mustangs.

I'm offended. If anything, I'm the head of FCAIDF PsyOps and Memetic Warfare.

>it was BTFO by the Hemi in terms of raw technology from day one
>pushrods, 2 valves per cylinder
>

>>Ford just sucks at doing anything new and interesting
>oh really?
>flat plane crank v8 GT350
>off road focused svt Raptor truck
>ecoboost v6 Ford GT
>ecoboost 4 cylinder full size f150
>awd Focus RS

they stopped making shit tier vans and coupes. im looking at you windstar and escort

>let's make an series of engines with an economy first mentality and then slap it into everything from our base model trucks to our world class super car
>let's not do R&D to ensure said engines don't have catastrophic power loss within the first operational year
>let's keep manufacturing our paint by numbers "prerunner" for years past its relevancy and long after anyone gave a shit
>let's revive an archaic engine design that's been made obsolete because we have retards for a fan base
>let's make everything blue and con our stupid customers into buying our shit V6s because their F-150 is basically a Ford GT, right?

No, dumbass, they don't do anything new and interesting. They're a company that develops shit to the lowest common denominator. Interesting is slapping a supercharger onto a sedan and making it the world's fastest four door.

Interesting is making your twenty year old car beat 500k, cutting edge supercars around any track it goes to. Interesting is coming out with a 707hp truck because you fucking can.

Ford is fucking boring.

>most efficient airflow of any V8 in history
>hemispheric heads
>VVT

How in the fuck is the Coyote even remotely as advanced or efficient?

>coyote
i think you mean voodoo friendo

Efficient airflow yeah okay. If true you can have that.
Hemispherical heads and VVT? Nigga please

>didn't just consist of economy shitboxes and suvs

>fiesta
>focus
>fusion
>escape
>expedition
>explorer
>c-max

and now all you have left is the mustang, the odd duck Taurus and the F-series trucks...
so yah, it's mainly just ecoboxes and suvs...

No, dipshit, I typed what I meant. I said Coyote in the original post and I still mean Coyote. It was developed in the same time frame as the Hemi and it paled in comparison. Ford made a shit modular that can't begin to touch the raw tech superiority of the Gen III Hemi.

You're a retard regardless of what you're trying to imply.

It is a hard fact that the 5.7 Hemi has the most efficient Airflow of all V8s. It's been that way since the first prototype was unveiled.

Hemispherical heads are still efficient as fuck and no one ever uses them because they're retarded. Variable valve timing, while doing nothing for active performance, still makes the Hemi more efficient for daily driving - the most common application in all V8s among modern cars.

You aren't disputing what I'm saying, you're just attempting stupid rhetoric. Ford can't make an engine worth a shit and haven't since the early 70s. They have all the money in the world to do crazy shit and they build boring turboshits that use technology the Japanese have been running in cars since the late 80s.

Dodge may not be able to make an I4 worth a shit, bit the Pentastar is still better than the base V6 in Fords and the Hemi puts every V8 they've made since the early 2000s to shame.

Shit, dude, they had Carroll Goddamn Shelby to help them supercharge their turd and it looks like a hobby engine built by hillbillies compared to the Hellcat which was made from a parts bin and a twelve year old block cast.

Most of the debt that Ford owes is actually debt from their financial arm, which is owed to Ford Motor Company. They finance consumers to buy their products with loans they offer themselves then profit on the interest. It's a pretty ingenious system.

t. Auto industry analyst pro

pic related.

Also, they've managed to stay ahead in pickup truck sales for a very long time, their crown vic was the face of police cars and taxis for two whole decades, they were the only one out of the big three not to bailout, and they've put out some impressive cars over the years.

Lincoln's been a bit of a black mark against Ford, but to Ford's credit they're getting a lot of money pumped in to fix Lincoln, now that they no longer have Volvo, Aston Martin, Jaguar or Land Rover/Range Rover or Mercury under their belt.

Ford is currently performing better than any other US automaker and they're doing the best with millennials too. I live in the Liberal millennial cuck capital and Ford is the only American brand I see as numerously as Jap brands here. They're capitalizing on millennials with vehicles like the Fusion hybrid and Ecoboost Mustang. They also give credit more freely to younger people than any other brand because they provide the credit that they'll be repayed with. These milenials will grow up remembering that Ford financed them and gave them fuel efficient tech ladden cheapo cars, and they'll remember that once they have secure incomes and are looking to buy nicer vehicles and fuck huge SUVs to toss their spawn in. Ford is doing well because they have an entire lineup that's competitive without gaps and they can cover a broad market across basically every demographic from treehugers with their hybrids to hicks with the raptor, and even the difficult to secure low income demographic thanks to their financing arm which can allow someone making minimum wage to get into a new Focus or even a Mustang.

> Interesting is slapping a supercharger onto a sedan and making it the world's fastest four door.

That's not interesting, that's boring old shit and, just fucking desperate because Fiat Chrysler doesn't have anything besides an archaic hand me down Mercedes sedan
chassis to sell so they slap a supercharger on it.

>Intersting is making your twenty year old car beat 500k, cutting edge supercars around any track it goes to.
That's not interesting, that's just desperation to stay relevant with their ancient shitty product. And retarded mouth breathers like you eat up that shit.

>Interesting is coming out with a 707hp truck because you fucking can.
No that's just retarded and lazy since they are just putting the fucking Hellcat motor in anything it will it in to generate press buzz and appeal to morons like you, dumbass. That's truly a company that develops shit to the lowest common denominator.
The Fiat Chrysler press department tries really hard here on Veeky Forums don't they. Kek.

You're a fucking retard trying to say "airflow" is the yardstick of "tech superiority".
No one who isn't an autistic Mopar faggot would make such a claim.
The only thing the "hemi" has going for it cubic inches over the Coyote, and just giving an engine a bigger displacement is the epitome of low tech.
The fucking "hemi" isn't even a true hemi like the old ones, it has pent roof combustion chambers.
Fiat Chrysler is shit. No wonder Sergio kept trying to talk GM into merging with them. GM won't return his calls, LOL.

Ecoboost

I dunno about that statement, the aussie government have shelled out over a billion dollars over the last few years to car manufacturers in this country for absolutely nothing.. no roi, no eventual payback but then i guess thats what happens when you're governed by complete fuckwits!

This

From a sales standpoint, the original Explorer. That stupid stretched Bronco II is the direct, traceable cause for Porsche and Lamborghini building SUVs. Everybody wanted one and it was the suddenly trendy as shit to drive one while it killed the wagon and minivan in the process. It was marketing gold, especially considering how scant little engineering went into building it after developing the Bronco II/Ranger platform.

Not taking government money

forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/#77998ec06a8c

>a loan is the same thing as a bailout
Are gm fangirls actually this fucking stupid?

Bump

Kicking mazda out so mazda can focus on doing better cars.

More European and Japanese influences caused them to make better cars.

The bailouts were used as loans you fucking knob

Ford didn't get a bailout, retard.

How retarded are you?

What went right? I like the physical appearance of the 2013-2016 Fusions but what went wrong with this car? kill the Hybrid, kill it with fire.

Everything

Stop, you're asking him complicated questions he doesn't have the answers to.