Why are these never discussed here?

Seems like it should be a meme car, but I've only seen a couple of mentions of it here in the past several years. Is it because the manual trans is so rare/everyone rides the bus?

I'm trying to pick between one of these and an AP1 S2k, kind of leaning towards the IS, it seems a more rational practical choice. There's a clean well-maintained manual one with 120k miles for sale in my area for $8000 exactly like pic related, the cheapest AP1 in good shape is like 12-13k. Should I pull the trigger? Seems like a hell of a car, like a Toyota 3-series or some shit

id rather have a g8 gxp

The E46 was better in terms of power and handling.

However yes its a proper substitute for it, as well as being more reliable.

You would need a 330+ to have more power than the puny little 2.5 in this car. The engine makes bmw fags look silly.

Also no one wants a fwd Pontiac from their dark ages

>G8
>FWD

>2.5
Uhhh, you're not from Murica, are you? They came with the 3.0L 2JZ-GE, the 2.5 was the 1JZ, but that never came with these

My bad, I have a 92 lexus and it was made with a 1j. The 2j makes 330 power so my point still stands. Toyota made engines just as hot as bmw.

Also my bad, I thought you were referring to a different Pontiac that wasn't designed in Australia and that actually sold in large numbers

>Great build quality
>Steering quick as hell and very responsive
>Manual trans feels weird, no clutch feel or shifter feel. Has a clutch damper and even removing it, it still shifts weird.
>Gauges are cool
>Stock damping is pretty GOAT. Shit's great.
>Very reliable, but if you have to remove the starter you're fucked and need to remove the engine halfway lol.
>Audio system is very good from factory, AC is also very good
>Decently quick, nothing to go home about.
>Very easy to slide

>Interior controls are clicky and cheap
>Seats (leather) are stiff as shit and are wide with no bolstering. Also very slippery. They suck hoe dick.
>18-20 mpg for ~200hp, also needs premium for 200hp.
>Most dashboards get sticky and the IS300 was the only Lexus that didn't get the recall for it at the time. Will rub off but it will turn light brown.
>Cassette player lol
>Cat converters (2) are part of the exhaust manifold, it'll get the P0420 code always.
>Throttle and brake pedal are so far apart and unequally spaced from the firewall that it's literally impossible to heel toe.


I own an 03 w/ manual trans, let me know what you need to know.

230 horsepower*

The 2jz-ge in the first gen Is only made 230 at the most.

I don't know where you're pulling 330 from.

E46 was a better car and still is apples to apples.