Best WW2 tank coming through

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ftfy

did you not read the trigger warning?

[breaks down internally]

>vertical armor faces

>for tommyboos

Go ahead and look up the number of times Tigers engaged Shermans.

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YES YES my bait is working *rubs hands*

No b8 here, just friendly banta.

Incidentally, this is the best pre-war tank from any side.

>(trigger warning for own crews and mechanics)

Hey Ahmed you hear that?

Assuming you can produce armor plates to the required thickness and quality, and produce the needed welds, welding is superior. Casting, due to various reasons, is about 15-20% more ductile, meaning it's slightly less effective, and is more manpower intensive due to grinding needed to form the parts to their final shape. However it can also be used to make the famous curved Soviet fishbowl turrets, allegedly the increased ductility reduces spalling, and it's relatively easy to convert civil production of say, locomotives and ship parts, over to military usage.

Riveting is basically pennstraightingitothetrash.jpg. It increases the vehicle's weight due to the internal frame structure supporting the armor, the rivets increase spalling when the vehicle is struck, and basically you only use it if you A: don't have adequate welding (Italy, Czech, Japanese) or B: your factories can't convert over because their unions think that welding is a capitalist plot to put riveters out of work (UK)

>France had the absolutely best tanks going into the war
>had literally the absolute worst tank doctrine out of any of the combatants

How well would France have faired if they had listened to DeGaulle's reports from the Polish-Soviet War? Or simply realized that Italy's attempts at armored warfare in Spain were fucked up because they were the Italians?

Why are ATGM videos so satisfying?

Panther is best German tank.

Best Sherman coming through

*ahem*

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This user.

People generally don't understand how close the battle of France was, or how much of it was down to the French being retards.

If they had pushed into the Saarland with armored spearheads and air support at the outset of the German invasion of Poland, WW2 would have been weeks long, and people would remember Hitler the way they remember General Galtieri.

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>Hitler literally didn't understand how angling armor increases it's thickness

they are really comfy to watch
also your gif with sound:
youtube.com/watch?v=UFyXRktIAgo

>BTR/T-72 blows up

Nice job narrowing it down, youtube.

Now was it a tank or a plane?

>Panther best tank
>Built way too heavy for its frame
>Prone to transmission fires
>Operational Range of 100km due to chronic reliability problems

>If they had pushed into the Saarland with armored spearheads and air support at the outset of the German invasion of Poland

While still mobilizing and having no ability to project force outside their own country to speak of?

Trying to advance in the autumn and winter while Germany is busy mobilizing another 80 divisions or so?

Unless you have to actually man the thing with that fuck-huge gun taking up every bit of space in the turret that you use to occupy.
The 76mm performed well enough that compromising the crew's ability to actually operate within the tank effectively just wasn't worth it.
Vanilla Sherman best Sherman.

As I understand it, Germany had basically all of their forces in Poland and if France had made it a two front war during the Phony War period, there wasn't much they could have done.

ahem

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1944:
>America has the Sherman 76, which can knock out all but heavily sloped armor at long range, and the M36 Jackson tank destroyer with a heavy 90mm gun
>The USSR has introduced the T-34/85, which can deal with pretty much everything, and is introducing the IS-2 heavy tank with a massive 122mm cannon
>Germany has the Panther which, while mechanically unreliable, can resist most impacts on it's sloped front armor, and the Tiger II which has a longer 88mm gun and heavily sloped armor
>The UK introduces the Cromwell tank, which has riveted flat armor and a short-barreled 75mm gun

Except

A) That's not true.

axishistory.com/axis-nations/145-germany-heer/heer-unsorted/3420-the-german-mobilization-1939

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland

B) France had yet to fully mobilize, especially their rear echelon guys. Actually advancing forward was quite simply beyond their capabilities to feed, fuel, arm, etc. their forces, even if the Germans only put up token resistance.

Post war was a completely different story. The type of threats the Israelis were expecting to have to deal with were a completely different ballpark from what the Sherman was designed for. They also had a distinct lack of alternatives.
They put the gun they needed on the tank they had, and that had to be good enough.

Cromwells fill a different role though. The Cromwells were supposed to be speedier and more of a recon/flanking element more-so than the others you mention. For a straight-up slug-fest (if air support didn't destroy the competition or they failed to make it to the front due to reliability issues) the British had plenty of Shermans to make up for it.

Still, in the most technical sense, the M51 is the best Sherman variant.

You are technically correct.
The best kind of correct.

Neat. Thanks for making me aware of the existence of this thing.

t. knows dick shit about tanks

Yep. The British built a medium tank but it turned out to basically be a glorified armored car.

The Russians bought 6 tanks through Lend Lease in 1944, ran them through trials, and decided that it was inferior to the Sherman in all aspects and that "the Cromwell IV tank cannot be recommended for import."

>Cromwell outperforms everything

>cromwell is also sanic's tank of choice.
have you ever gone fast?

Wasn't the m18 faster?

>>had literally the absolute worst tank doctrine out of any of the combatants
how is having armored divisions as well as interspersed tanks "literally the absolute worst tank doctrine out of any of the combatants"?

>m18
not a tank rrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee

youtube.com/watch?v=FPnwWFAGPIw

Why was the panzer IV so mediocre?

and yet still the best tank the Nazis ever made

>On all levels except physical, I am a Tiger
>Breaks down

1939-1945 champion coming through.

>yfw you realize there aren't actually any tigers in Germany

What were they thinking?

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>2 pounder gun
>literally ineffective against the Panzer IV

You were lucky that the Japanese were retarded enough to think their experiences in China meant that tanks were useless.

>All Panzer IVs were F2s or later
>Littlejohn adapter doesn't exist
>70% of tank hits during WW2 weren't against the side armor

If only they designed it big enough to fit a six pounder

t. slav.

might as well say a wespe is a tank then.

>o-only the stubbies count

What experience could you possibly have that would make you ignore tanks?

not tank terrain probably.
which is weird because the stuart was used in the fucking himalayas.

Is it an armoured vehicle with thracks? Does it have a big gun? Fuck you then, it's a tank.

by that logic a kettenkrad with a mounted panzershreck is a tank

Lack of Chinese discipline and anti-tank capabilities, probably.

French tanks are so kawaii

>by that logic a kettenkrad with a mounted panzershreck is a tank
>implying pic related isn't a tank

>portuguesearmoredforces.jpg

It's steered with a front wheel with a tyre, it does not count.

So that guy running away from the tank around 0:20. Why aren't his pants on? I mean, ok, I get that if you're in an exploding tank you have higher priorities than pulling your belt back up, but why were they off in the first place?

They were literally blown off by the explosion. You can see the remains of them around his waist.

That's actually kind of awesome.

BUS ENGINES

Tigers are sexy desu

>Hitler literally didn't understand how angling armor increases it's thickness
The main effect of sloped armour is deflecting projectiles, it gives no benifit whatsoever in weight/thickness ratio

>Panther best tank
>Built way too heavy for its frame
that was the Tiger II
>Prone to transmission fires
that was the Tiger Porsche
>Operational Range of 100km due to chronic reliability problems
it was 500km

Fucking STAVKAboos get out of this germanic board

Angling armor decreases thickness.

Unless there's an elevation difference, then it might both deflect less, and be thinner.

I thought it was the T-34 that had such awful transmission problems it was standard to come out of the factory with a spare tied onto the back and the average T-34 got destroyed before it could run into chronic issues.

The image is especially hilarious because most of those hits were from anti-tank rifles.

And even disregarding that, the 45mm is lulzworthy because it was a pre-war light cannon that was only a little bit better than the 37mm guns that everybody used in the 30s.

>that was the Tiger II
The Panther was originally intended to be 35 tons, however armor kept being added until it was 10 tons overweight.
>that was the Tiger Porsche
The British tried testing some Panthers after the war, they literally could not get any meaningful data because the tanks kept bursting into flames.
>it was 500km
Its final drive had to be replaced every 150 km.
>Most of those hits are from anti-tank rifles
kek

>At rifles
>45 mils
>1944
what?

"This Tiger recieved on the southern front in 6 hours:
227 hits AT rifle
14 hits 52 mm
11 hits 76,2 mm

None of them penetrated the vehicle.
Roadwheels and connectors were destroyed
Two roadwheel-holders didn't work anymore
Some AT-projectiles had hit the track
And it ran on 3 mines

It drove 60km off-road with it's own engine."

Honestly a lot of the big cat's reputation was due to their excellent crews.

Badly trained crews would lose to better trained ones, like all those panthers at arracourt.

>armor is perfectly perpendicular to the path a projectile would follow

Did they only have retards designing tanks late war?

>90% of hits are from AT rifles
Seems like a majority to me.

How do you explain this?

it was an earlier design.

It did do pretty good on the ostfront though. the 76.2 millimeter couldn't penetrate it with standard ammo.

your point being?

he will say that this proved the tiger sucked even though it took shots from large caliber field guns and kept on trucking.

When reminded that the sherman was called the tommycooker or the ronson lighter, he will say how it was easier to evacuate and safer for the crew, even though the sherman would be taken out by german weapons at incredibly high ranges.

His point is that the vast majority of the hits were from relatively small caliber weapons.

>it drove 60km through conditions that tanks would be expected to drive under their own power

>When reminded that the sherman was called the tommycooker or the ronson lighter

t. Belton Cooper

tankandafvnews.com/2015/11/13/from-the-vault-post-war-british-report-on-panther-reliability/
Bouncing 25 hits from 45mm and 76.2mm to the front isn't all that impressive, assuming that the report is being truthful.
>Le ebin Ronson meme
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The British also just stored their ammo haphazardly, basically piling it everywhere inside the tank.

The US and Russian units using lend lease M4s on the other hand, never really had issues with ammo fires, especially after the ethylene-glycol wet stowage was added.

The whole Ronson thing seems to have come about post war, Ronson didn't use the "lights the first time, every time" slogan until the mid 50s.

AT rifles were typically big 14mm or 20mm rifles that were pretty much only used in the first years of the war and in theaters where the only armor was light tanks or armored cars. However the Russians kept their AT rifles in production because everything the Germans used, with the exception of the Tiger series, was vulnerable to them from side hits at 500 meters or more.

>it wasn't actually called that, the sherman was totally proof against inferior german tanks and won because it was a better combat vehicle, not because of allied superiority in artillery and air power.

Doesn't matter how fancy your krupp steel tonk is. Your crew is going to bail out when someone shouts "Jabos". No one wants to die in a fucking tank.