27% of my check is gone before I even see it

>Like having roads to drive on?
the roads around here are terrible
>Like having a police and fire agency in your city?
they are also terrible
>Like having a garbage service?
a private company does my trash collection
>Like having schools to send your kids to?
i don't have kids
>Like having prisons to keep criminals in?
private prisons

>All prisons are private

wut

Back to /pol/ and stormfront with you.

>All prisons are public
wut

Why would I go to /pol/ or stormfront? I'm libertarian, not national socialist. They aren't too friendly towards libertarians.

But it's very easy that when you lack any argument, you just deflect. I understand.

>the roads around here are terrible
>they are also terrible
Care to explain why, other than "because muh tax money XD XD."

In b4 every road has potholes and cops spend all day eating donuts.

>a private company does my trash collection
Who pays the private company to collect your trash?

>i don't have kids
Someday you probably will and you'll be grateful there's a school to send them to.

>private prisons
Okay...there's a lot of state and federal prisons as well.

he would just pay a cheap price for a private school since their prices would be much lower once public schools are abolished and that monopoly on lower income schooling was removed

same for every other item you listed

>Care to explain why, other than "because muh tax money XD XD."
>
>In b4 every road has potholes and cops spend all day eating donuts.
roads are in bad shape. i live in the northeast near the water, so yes lots of potholes

>Who pays the private company to collect your trash?
I do

>Someday you probably will and you'll be grateful there's a school to send them to.
if I have kids they will go to private school

Never said that. But a good percentage of prisons are public, which is funded by tax money.

Could have fooled me. You have the mannerisms of someone from /pol/.

Regardless, I don't have time to watch nearly 20 minutes of Youtube videos. Feel free to type a response if you want a rebuttal from me.

It's a 4 minute youtube video. And you obviously have no free time to read econ textbooks either since you have no factual knoweldge of macroeconomics.

I'm not american but isn't this Why you revolted against britain? Why do you allow this

If you honestly believe that paying for a private school would be cheaper than the percentage of your taxes that go towards public education, you're retarded.

Same for every other item I listed.

>roads are in bad shape. i live in the northeast near the water, so yes lots of potholes
Well that sucks for you. Maybe you and your neighbors should start pressuring the government to take care of the roads. Where I live, the roads are great and they're always doing upgrades on the roads (like on my commute today, I just saw them expanding a turning lane on one of the busiest roads).

>I do
Wow, that sucks. Where I live, trash collection is paid by taxes.

I don't think your problem is with taxes. It's just that you live in some shitty city that wastes your tax dollars. Consider moving.

Because socialists have obviously infiltrated our society, despite Bastiat's warning, and subverted our youth.

It's a common popular idea nowadays that "capitalism sucks". This notion is often purported in those that have yet to have any formal education in economics.

>If you honestly believe that paying for a private school would be cheaper than the percentage of your taxes that go towards public education, you're retarded.

(You're retarded) is not an argument.

One's 11.5 minutes. The other is 4 minutes. Closing in on 20 minutes between the two.

And okay, whatever helps you sleep at night. You telling me I have no factual knowledge of macroeconomics? Completely laughable.

when did you get the impression that national socialists hate public spending? It's quite the opposite

I figured this is basic knowledge, but I can see you're special.

moneycrashers.com/private-vs-public-school-cost-comparison/

>On average, the cost of private school tuition for the 2011-2012 school year was $10,740 per child, according to the NCES.

And no, the tuition costs haven't gone down since 2012.

And no, $10,740 of OP's taxes isn't going towards public education.

>i don't have kids
Well then you deserve to lose that money and more for not contributing to future generations.

Why are you contributing to overpopulation, user? You've doomed future generations.

If we had single payer, we'd pay judg one flat tax.

>I'll be a millionaire one day

Lol plebs, keep slaving.

Well, I guess you could claim 8 on your W4 so your employer doesn't withhold any money from your check. At the end of the day, its just an estimate, the amount that they withhold, and when you do your taxes you may or may not get a refund.

I give no money to 3rd world charity and I am fully against immigration.
I only support having children that will contribute to the world.
That's how you save future generations.

>and yet he wants a Veeky Forums user to have kids
You're doing it wrong, user.

sorry, i felt like shitposting today

So around the same as public schools?

>And no, $10,740 of OP's taxes isn't going towards public education.

None of it is, that would be property tax

>jew security tax
>medijewcare tax
yesssss good goyim, it's the fed and state that are the problem!

>Didn't you know? It's for the best. The Government™ knows how to spend that money better than you do.

Giving it to ISIS and black people on welfare, dont think thats great use of it

>TFW this money is going to welfare, worthless politicians and Israel instead of fixing the shitty infrastructure of my city
fuck it

>prices wouldn't go down if there wasn't a much larger market to compete for, since the government has a monopoly on low income families
You are clueless

I remember the first paycheck I got at my first job.

I saw the deductions for medicare and announced aloud "WOW, I HAVE HEALTHCARE? THIS IS AWESOME!" and then a woman overheard me and told me "that's not for you."

To this day, I still think medicare is the most offensive thing on a paystub. You can argue that taxes go to things like roads and shit, but if they're taking money from me for hospitals and "my" health isn't treated, fuck you!

Shut
The
Fuck
Up

If you still believe this in 2016, just shoot yourself already.

oldie but a goodie

poorfags need to buy ciggies and booze
jews need to buy guns to kill arabs
muh roads

What you should really ask is why we pay tax on social security post-tax dollars when they're not deducted from your income for federal or state income tax purposes.

If you don't like it you can leave to a taxless country like Somalia.

The work you do does not exist in a vacuum.
The business you work for does not exist in a vacuum.
The taxes you pay create the context for the wages you earn. Without the framework of society that taxes pay for, that context would not exist.
This is why people who earn more owe more tax, because they derive greater benefit from the systems that tax supports.

If you want to live in a society without tax, go and establish one yourself. See how prosperous you are.

Who pays the private company to collect your trash?

Are you pretending to be retarded?

Sometimes I wonder why this board is so childish. I paid 780k in income tax last year and I don't see it as anything else than all the other business expenses I have. I need those roads to deliver my product. I need national security to protect my interest. I need public education maintain a competent workforce.

Doing these things on my own would be far more expensive and generally a pain in the ass.

>User tax
>Never needed either to save me, though when I was a kid, the neighbor knocked his grill over and the fire spread to our house, so I guess the fire department is cool.
>I take my shit to the dump myself.
>The schools are shit. Private schools are better in every regard.
>Prisons were private sector for a while, some still are.

Care to give an actual argument, then?

>59%
LELGIUM (kill me)

>User tax
I'll take "What is a Fuel Tax?" for $800 Alex.

>Never needed either to save me,
>and the fire spread to our house, so I guess the fire department is cool.
So they saved your house but you never needed either? Also if criminals haven't fucked you over yet, maybe the police and justice system is working as intended?

>I take my shit to the dump myself.
Maybe you should move to somewhere civilised then.

>The schools are shit. Private schools are better in every regard.
So you want to cutoff one third of the population from all education and therefore significantly reduce the workforce? But hey upwards mobility is overrated anyways, riiiight?

>Prisons were private sector for a while, some still are.
Let's add a profit incentive to keeping people in prison, what could go wrong?

>Care to give an actual argument, then?
Grow Up.

The theory is true, but come on user.

If this is your biweekly pay you probably get all of Fed and State back come tax season. Adjust your withholding.

This.

Its not right or far but law.

America.

By the rich for the rich on the backs of the working man.

How else are people gonna buy dope and spinning rims?

That 27%.

Before u eat a bullet just remember this.

Youll either need to find another way or be doing this until u die broken and tired.

Even better though now that u only get 73% of your check is that now u get to use that already taxed income to suvive.

Please note that if u buy shit with your hard earned and already taxed monopoly money u will YOU GUESSED IT be charged a sales tax.

Dont pull that trigger op. THERE'S MOAR!!!

death tax, property tax, mandatory healthcare or a fine at tax time, car tag, etc...

You got 4 choices the way i see it.

Eat a bullet, wagecuck, move, or study the rich and become what you hate as i am doing.

I dont feel bad legally never paying taxes again.

I have worked my entire life busting ass and giving half of my paycheck to the left and they answer Trump getting elected with burning all the shit i bought and half my friends trying to sjw from a safe space? Nope. I will tithe about 10% to my church and about 10% or more of my earnings towards shit that i deam a worth cause. I will not let faggots in washington fly air force one to campaign for a crooked cunt.

I will host toy runs and shit for veterans to come help fight cancer and child abuse and shit.

This is how i will show my patriotism.

U can try fighting the man. But IF u somehow win it will likely be a lifelong battle and im simply to tired and not willing to get suicided.

If u caint beat em join em.

That and all the free shit for the left. Oh, and airplane rides and vacations for obamas. Plus shilling for a murderous grim reaper...

>doesn't believe taxes should be that high
>therefore we should get rid of every single tax ever

>the roads around here are terrible
>they are also terrible
As a former truck driver i can tell u most roads are shit. Then the state lets my faggot town fuck uo mainstreet and pocket the cash. Legit ran over a water access manhole that for some reason is on a state highway. Lid bounced up, ripped off my exhaust, broke the lid, and slashed a $200 tire. Then the city billed me for the lid... i build and maintain dirt roads at my job. We dont need roads other than for nascar and drag strips.

>a private company does my trash

Im forced to pay a trash bill even though i toss it in a dump trailer till its full and pitch it in a hole at work.

>i don't have kids
>Someday you probably will and you'll be grateful there's a school to send them to.

Lol. Not on my watch. I fucking hate kids. I got my balls cut. 0 kids.

>private prisons
Okay...there's a lot of state and federal prisons as well.

Meh. No prison is run properly and its hard to pile a group of criminals in a motel and make them obey.

I seriously think none should be publicly ran and they should have to work like chinese sweatshop workers producing cheap gubman wares we all need cop cars and the like.

Im not against taxes.

But i am against these cocsuckers taking 50% of my wages and wiping their asses with it.

I think there should be a form u fill ou at tax time.

A form of options so you choose where your money goes.

Then if something is underfunded uncle same makes an announcement and gives u a few days with an option to change it.

>hurr i don't need any of the services that are universally considered the bare minimum necessary for a first-world nation

God forbid you poorfags be forced to budget better.

To have a society where it is possible to generate value/revenue

are you slow?

Regardless that number should drop under trump.

Which I am sure you will continue to complain about

27% for ur tax bracket from state federal, higher for others,
10% sales tax
like $0.53/gal fuel tax
1.25% property tax ( avg home price here 550,000)
20% waiter tip tax

Thanks....

>Thinking taxes aren't necessary for a successful society

Yes a lot of taxes are spent on dumb shit.
Yes we could be fine with a lot less taxes.

Having no taxes at all for public infrastructure and services? You have to be an absolute dumb ass to think that's a good idea.

cringe

>Like having roads to drive on?
>the roads around here are terrible
And what alternative do you propose for building public infrastructure without taxes?

>Like having a police and fire agency in your city?
>they are also terrible
Again, even if they're terrible, do you want there to be literally no law enforcement? Do you want a giant ass bill if your house burns down?

>Like having a garbage service?
>a private company does my trash collection
Ya, I'd be ok with this moving to the private sector. But something needs done for areas where no private company is available

>Like having schools to send your kids to?
>i don't have kids
Do you want to deal with an even dumber population than we have now? Everyone benefits from having more people educated

>Like having prisons to keep criminals in?
>private prisons
Private prisons are bullshit and should be illegal imo

>To have a society where it is possible to generate value/revenue
Not OP but you do realize only about 10% of that would actually be needed for that reason alone (roads & infrastructure, police, enforcement of contract), 15% if you include our huge military expenses which I guess is fair to say helps our standing in the world. The other 12% is purely wealth distribution to subsidize other people's laziness, disabilities, and poor life-choices.

It's theft.

Blame the elderly. OP is paying around 30% of his income on Social Security/Medicare. Dindu benefits like food stamps, Section 8, and Medicaid are a comparatively minuscule part of the federal budget.

Elderly actually paid their way into the system (though still a ponzi scheme), while dindu benefits perpetuate poverty and thus spending by allowing and encouraging the poor to reproduce when the government will be the one footing the bill.

If you're earning that little do 3-4 allowances on your W-4. The worksheet isn't very accurate unless you're in that 40-80k range.

>implying your jetset lifestyle doesnt allow you to spare 15 minutes of your time.
You've probably spent more time than that in this thread you could just have had it on in the background.

I don't live near criminals and nobody was at the house, so insurance would've ultimately just gone after the guy that knocked the grill over.

Like having roads to drive on?
>federal gov doesn't do this
Like having a police and fire agency in your city?
>Federal government doesn't do this
Like having a garbage service?
Most places this is a private service
Like having schools to send your kids to?
>Public schools are actually worse than no formal education whatsoever to be honest
Like having prisons to keep criminals in?
>50% of whom are imprisoned simply for possessing or distributing substances that shouldn't be illegal, and then who knows how many violent offenders related to the illegal drug trade

>subsidize disability

when you get a disability I expect you will pull yourself up and walk. It's your fault right