/vn/ - Farming Edition

What the fuck do you think you're doing?

E-eh? I'm sowwy....

Thank you for fixing the OP.

Is Fata Morgana: Requiem for Innocence out yet?

I briefly return to confirm Dies irae is NTR before fading away once again

How many Jews are in that picture? 97% of VN readers get this question wrong.

What's the ETA on the translation for the new KEY game?

wtf? conjueror made a joke about hitler on twitter

twitter.com/Conjueror/status/806815977073766400

He's literally trivializing the holocaust, he can't keep getting away with it. This is outrageous.

what a vile asshole

what the fuck, is Conjueror a nazi?

No. he translates nazi VN.

Which basically makes him a nazi if we're being completely honest here.

No, it makes him /our guy/.

who even takes Vns seriously? honestly
vns are only good for dating simulators and moeges,
if you want all ages, just watch anime or read a manga, if you want some deep plot shit, western stuff are a million times better

And I don’t really care about Japan in particular, but I do care about what is good Literature, and its just my sentiment that even if Shakespeare is lauded, there still exists like critical barriers between Art then and now, and its very difficult to deny this. For example there’s the huge gulf between Homer and Shakespeare, the former who only sought to describe events clearly and plainly, the latter who was at an era that conceived of poetic consciousness and was able to deal with psychological description on a more heady and depth-filled level. Once again, the simple difference between a picture that is merely depictive, like maybe any other painter of pastoral scenes, and a person like Van Gogh, who, although not beautiful, sought to be evocative and saw Art as a greater medium of communication, that went beyond plain Beauty and aesthetics. Likewise I find nothing wrong with Beauty, but I think that its folly to deny a specific dimension of a work is smaller than it truly is, and to disbelieve that we cannot do better. I cannot conceive of a world without Shakespeare, but I can conceive of poetry better than Shakespeare. Its not really just his plotting anyway, but simply that he missed with the plays that were not his main tragedies and comedies. And most of his sonnets, except for the few that are spread so much around schools, range from okay to bad. Why can’t we be critical about Art that we love? Isn’t understanding of where it did not stick with us the essential part of growing as an artist? Even in the realm of children’s cartoons, there’s a void between previous cartoons and current cartoons that’s being spear-headed by Steven Universe.

Actually I guess I was talking more about Kara no Kyoukai for Nasu, which was praised by the phenomenologist mystery writer Kiyoshi Kasai, and which, if not Buddhist, is at least Taoistic in its idea of inscrutable forces and melding together of opposites.

I like lolis.

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>almost everything they could do, someone else could do better
Shit, now that I loaded my save states, looks like you're right. Probably I mixed up something from Aselia with something else from Seinarukana. Blacks were super cute, though. Helion and Faren were 2nd and 4th best sub spirits, respectively.

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tldr lmao
ur point being?

I do share some similar sentiments, but that’s more of the general state of most Literature now, and it may just be pure chance that the current cohesive avant-garde and hope for Literature seems to come from Japan.

I mean ever since the revolution that Dostoyevsky, the Modernist poets, and the whole load of other writers at the time, Literature seems to have jumped into this gap that is probably widely the result of Postmodernism. Who has depicted characters so self-aware and consciously moving, or lyrics so inventive, hermetic and beautiful, or having great entertainment, riveting plots and interesting mind-shaking ideas, or all at the same time? A lot of works now are formally inventive but rarely cohesive, beautiful but rarely interesting, psychological but rarely ambitious.

Now there are so many modes of writing, but who else really naturalizes all into a cohesive whole? Who can really stand to the ideal of the Great Author of the Postmodernist Mode that is able to freely mix so many styles and themes and ideas and characters together without being overly dense, mechanical in prose, or unambitious in ideas and themes?

(Leaving out the philosophers or sociologists because they don’t really fall into the scope of ‘modern writer’, except maybe Kierkegaard or Nietzsche)

>it may just be pure chance that the current cohesive avant-garde and hope for Literature seems to come from Japan.
yeah all the hentai and moe shit came from japan lmao
and that's the point, there's no point of translating anything else other than moeges and a wussy scrub getting a gf simulator kek

>western stuff are a million times better
lol

But my sensibility is also informed by Borges, who is probably your ideal type of critic, in that he was truly and intrinsically motivated to enjoying every single work he came across, talking about every single book in his library with a fervor that little other writers could muster. I’ve read the entire works of Borges about 4 times, and he’s been indispensable to my vision of the world, as an artist, as a thinker, and whatever. But that doesn’t save myself from admitting that he has really only one directed voice, and this was critiqued by Stanislaw Lem:

“The cause of his work’s “mechanistic” sickness is this, I think: from the beginning of his literary career, Borges has suffered from a lack of a free and rich imagination.* In the beginning he was a librarian, and he has remained one, although the most brilliant manifestation of one. He had to search in libraries for sources of inspiration, and he restricted himself wholly to cultural-mythical sources. They were deep, multifarious, rich sources — for they contain the total reservoir of the mythical thought of mankind.
But in our age they are on the decline, dying off as far as their power to interpret and explain a world undergoing further changes is concerned. In his paradigmatic structures, and even in his greatest achievements, Borges is located near the end of a descending curve which had its culmination centuries ago. Therefore he is forced to play with the sacral, the awe-inspiring, the sublime and the mysterious from our grandfathers. Only in rare cases does he succeed in continuing this game in a serious way. Only then does he break through the paradigmatically and culturally caused incarceration which is its limitation, and which is quite contrary to the freedom of artistic creation he strives for. He is one of the great men, but at the same time he is an epigone. Perhaps for the last time.

that's not an excuse to defend stories with bad plots lmao
you can be mechansitic and creative in your work at the same time

at least literature still has got some kind of standard whereas "modern art" literally feels like shiteating

Yes Literature is entertainment, and I’m not going to take a step in the direction of Schopenhauer to say that it is the sublime kind of entertainment that distracts from the essential horror of the human condition, but I can also say that it is pretty good entertainment that many people have been able to live their lives for, some, like Flaubert, more so, and more painfully, in trying to craft their idea on a sliver of dust.

I don’t care about the labels, but I accord that which is good to that which is good, and that which is bad to that which is bad.

I love Art, but I also want make good Art, and I make good Art by stabbing old Artists in the face, truthfully, and with love.

Maybe you should, you know, go to the EOVN thread.
Not everything there is shit. There are some good ones.

western VNs are tranny SJW shit

like what?
i might try the Sakura games they have

Holy shit, do you really think japanese media is nothing but a meme?

Can you not fuck with the OP? Retard.

Someone who have read the original and the BTD Blue can explain me where is the "expanded" part in the later version?
Puting the 2 new routes aside I only have noticed that they have replaced the before-E/ero/after scenes for CG's with a new short scene and the lewd kisses, references to ero, a few random scenes (like Natsuki conversation in Mai route) and the extra scenarios were completelly removed. Or I'm missing something?

I forgot the title; 夜明け前より瑠璃色な 通常版

It's an old game that aged like milk, don't bother.

I guess that makes the top writers Visual Novel New-Wave the best contender for the Po-Mo Writer Ideal for being fun and beautiful and having a depth of characterization and (especially SCA-ji) for being able to deal with philosophy and all else so cohesively.

That really does support the thesis that, whilst the West were the ones who set up most of the foundation in Modernism, the most contemporary great writers today are from Japan, at least for now. Until some visionary steps up from the fluff of Po-Mo drivel and unambitious ‘family-drama’-like novellas, I am going to stick to that thesis.

Dude, not even Murakami gets that much recognition by the academy, much less Sca-ji and the other guy you mention.

Not an attack on you personally, but this is strictly at odds how I view art. I don’t have a guideline on what makes an artist the postmodernist ubermensch nor do I see art in a total state of decline and the only thing that can save it is a bunch of weirdos from Japan. This whole sentiment is so bourgeoisie one can probably say, “pls check your privilege,” without hesitation.

People Who are The Ideal

Inio Asano – Possibly. Though not for Oyasumi Punpun, incidentally, but for Dedede
Chris Ware – Dropped an Atomic Bomb on what Comics as a medium can achieve
Woody Allen – See’s Alex Sheremet’s Woody Allen: Reel to Real for details.
Hideaki Anno – Only if you watch Evangelion with Kare Kano
Nisio Isin and other New Unorthodox Mystery Writers

Literally any eroge writer is better than this year's winner anyway.

Nasu is a good writer and he is influential; i cannot deny his influence but i don't care about his works

Any of you actually hyping Himawari?

Yeah, on Reddit and Discord. Why would I hype a legitimately good VN on a general for shitposting?

I think the art still looks nice.

Sca-ji is the best writer.

Hipotetically speaking, if Monobeno TL were to start right now, how long would we wait till it's done?

2-3 years but faster if more competent people worked on it.

Is tip = penis?
Reading Hiyo's h-scenes I saw some lines were Hiyo mentions 先っぽ but the TL says penis lol.

Risecchi~

what vn will let me feel love
i dont care about porn

Tomoyo After. You'll feel what it means to fall in love.

Umineko

>all these protestants and anglicans writers who wouldn't understand the nature of Dies Irae which is top catholic kino
>no Nietzsche which is essential to grasp the concepts of the plot

Other than that this list is legit, you guys have enough time to prepare for Dies Irae.

Koi x Shin Ai Kanojo

Low energy thread.

Not even close.

Nietzsche is the easiest shit to read anyways since he isn't even a philosopher.

Dies Irae's 18+ patch will be completely uncensored. No mosaics.

Now they just need to fix the rewards,

Life is suffering
I need my Jacopo fix now

fuck off shill.

;_;

What's wrong with the rewards? For only 100$ more you name can appear in the credits and if you want to spend another 1000$ then you will be one granted with the privilege to see the premiere of the first episode of DI.

she can't be sad. you can't be sad if you have a dog.

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Will the Dies Irae kickstarter have a mug reward? I need another to compliment my Root Double mug.

Well he's not wrong.

wow

18+ meikyuu when seriously jesus christ

just download the jap version and fap to it retard.
>wanting a TL for uuh aah ooga booga

;_; I don't know user, I don't know

They need more tiers above $65 that come with physical copies. There's a huge gap right now. Not to mention some things feel really overpriced for what you're getting. The rewards also feel pretty dull, too many shikishis. I know it's not a moege, but people would likely pay more with dakimakuras and things that show off the girls.

sex scenes in VN's are WORTHLESS without some CONTEXT

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Some of the rewards are just shit from the anime kickstarter too which sucks. Make some original goods for this kickstarter for fucks sake.

Tomoyo's after

You guys heard of the new KEY vn writer?
It's fucking Nijima Yuu!!

This.

It's very likely backers of this project already backed the anime. Very little incentive to go above base pledge when most of the rewards are exactly the same.

> Nijima Yuu

Literally who?

Evens: preorder Himawari
Odds: dont preorder Himawari
0: pirate Himawari

>no 3P with nagisa and umi

>FD

what happened to ikikoi memeing? is the fate bait guy dead at last?

Winter came.

well then
Not like I'll have any time to read it anyway

what

Holy fuck do you come from the future?

>that Conjueror blog on Himawari

I officially ship Conjueror x Gare

Are you japanese?
Why are you buying it in english?

?? it's the date on MG's site
it's 18:30 here.

>shipping prude fuckers
I better ship moogy x hadler if anything.