Best girl ready for the holidays edition previous: >READ the pastebins BEFORE asking stupid questions GENERAL FAQ: pastebin.com/wyz3Ye1g Additional FAQ, SERIOUSLY, READ THIS ONE: pastebin.com/GHStmm22
Simulacrum is entirely different from real-mission conditions. Simulacrum has:
1) Wide-open space. Very important when considering LOS factors for abilities, because real missions have significant amounts of obstruction.
2) Tightly-grouped enemies. Real missions have enemies much more spread out and actively taking cover.
3) Lv140 HGs are not common at all. Highest level enemies you'll realistically face is lv100. 2/3 factions have no armor, and even in Grineer missions only a small minority are heavies.
Hudson Allen
Art can make anything look good Someone post cute loli worm
Hudson Davis
blah blah blah base line damage calculations. You cannot compare everything to real world settings, but you can do lab comparisons on TTK. That's all that really matters.
As far as real world, Sorties and Kuva siphons are all you really need to worry about. Any those have such a low point of entry that any frame that can do 20k/round damage will suffice.
DPS checks in this game are a fucking joke and DE doesn't know how to balance shit.
Benjamin Gray
is corrosive always useful?
Jaxon Morgan
1. Of course. But both those examples have the same LoS restrictions so they don't differ there. Mesa has the advantage of having an aimbot though.
2. Enemies usually spawn in groups and only spread out later, you can see that with enough stacked enemy radar. Real missions also have more than 5 enemies at a time, so clumps are more common. Real missions also never have 5 of the same heavy unit spawned at the same time, there are restrictions.
3. You are correct, you'll have level 100s and most of them are trash mobs that don't have armor. Mesa switches targets almost instantly so if anything she gets better against large groups.
So in the end you get to the same conclusions. Also .
Michael Morgan
>New tilset with new enemies on sorties >It's Eximus too >Boy I'm sure DE made a lot of effort to prevent bullshit scaling like they always do :^) >A single shot deals 550 damage through Vex and Elemental Ward >Just as expected >But at least they turned off the bullshit environmental damage from normal defence, right? >Hit wave 3, operator is now standing in the sparks >Keeps dying every 3 seconds >0 energy because it's Eximus >Permanent knockdown because it's Eximus Boy I love sorties, they are so fun and interesting
Jaxon Robinson
mods your sentinel should have: guardian sanctuary medi-ray shield charger sacrifice
Carson Young
What is the most useless and worthless gun in the entire game and why is it the phage?
Cameron Kelly
What a strange way to say Kraken.
Nicholas Sanders
>phage That's not how you spell Bronco
Jace Perry
What's with the poison corridors in the kuva fortress defense? Is there anyway to turn it off or do I have to take loki to switch tele the operator because he constantly wanders into them
Ethan Cooper
the correct pronunciation for convectrix is le sheeeeit
Blake Cooper
>7 out of the 8 last sortie 2s I tried to pub had a Slow Nova
I haven't aborted so many missions in a row since the first Acolyte event
David Cooper
You wasted more time aborting than just doing the actual Sortie.
Elijah Peterson
Just get him stuck at the entrance.
Luke Carter
You are now entering the no shitposting area. Careful, if the moderators detect you they will surely initiate the ban user sequence.
Jaxson Lopez
Just because you get to the same conclusions doesn't mean your experimental procedure is correct. Simulacrum testing can be useful for baseline DPS, but the vast amount of time it's used it's worthless.
Lab comparisons are worthless if they don't accurately reflect the real world, and Simulacrum testing in the majority of instances does not. This is how we get shitters thinking "m-muh gas stealth multipler!" is good.
Michael Reyes
Trin is Range+Duration+EV Aug, right?
Lincoln Sanchez
Do you guys think Becca and Megan ever made out while drunk?
Pubbing endless is easier than solo even if your team is useless as shit and do nothing but res the op so you don't need to. Also
>soloing Eximus sorties and missing out on that focus
easiest 40k of my life, tileset is a fucking pain though
Nathan Young
No, but this is
Jordan Robinson
>science is worthless because the real world has more variables
Brandon Mitchell
Women never get drunk. They actually pee out all the alcohol because they have a small bladder. They just act like whores like they've always wanted, then they blame it on the alcohol.
Owen Powell
>taking quotes THIS much out of context
Take the example of making a new anti-cancer drug. First, the drug needs to be tested in the laboratory to make sure it kills cancer cells. But chemicals in situ don't react the same way they do in the body, so then you need to test the drug in animals. But of course animal bodies are different from human bodies, so if the drug passes that test you then need to test it in human bodies.
Simulacrum testing is the equivalent of doing laboratory testing and immediately deeming the drug as a cancer cure.
Jeremiah King
Why do Warframes in clothes look hotter?
Christopher Sanchez
>last liestream of 2016 in 30 mins
Thomas Hall
Hello friends.
Ive decided to start building a Rhino as my first new frame with my only cell, over Frost as it appears as Frost is a meme frame not for beginners.
I hope I made the right choice.
Eli White
the FUCKING HIND
ev trin is minimal duration max range and whatever strength you can add. the augment for over shield is very useful.
Eli Adams
Because clothes imply the Warframe has something to cover even though there isn't.
Camden Sanchez
>sortie 2 takes forever because shit tilset and retared enemies >on penultimate wave the last enemy fell off the level and was stuck in a wall for 5 minutes
Jaxson Diaz
>fuck labs >gonna go kill cancer with spirit crystals and herbalife
Grandma, is that you?
Adrian Gonzalez
No, it implies modesty. Something that is sorely lacking in today's society. It harkens back to a simpler time before degeneracy has ran rampant.
Noah Brooks
>M:TA in a nutshell
David Cruz
Nyx tastes good tastes
Cameron Phillips
Keep him inside one of the rooms with only one entrance. The enemies will funnel. Pic related. Our loki dropped out so we had to make due with the operative wandering around on the electric rafters.
Leo Brown
>pub last sortie because why not >chroma with tigris prime >get to vor before anyone else (of course) >let him pump me full of damage >pic related >kill him instantly (?) his ragdoll flies off at sonic speed >others arrive >don't know what to do, no Vor around, no drops >neither does the game >after a minute or so it tells us to go to extraction >reactor BP
I rate this sortie a solid 8.5/10
Nathaniel Morris
>need to play kuva fortess for sortie 2
well, it had to happen someday.
Nicholas White
im going to do sorties all day as slow nova and theres nothing you can do about it
James Watson
>doing sortie 2 >only damage frame in squad >using equinox, correctly judging built up damage amount >halfway through waves >"hey equinox turn off your four. you're making this slow" >no thx >host left, finding new host >couldn't connect to host
Blake Johnson
>exilus adapter blueprint nice a fuckin greater unairu lens would be more useful
Ryan Torres
that's not what I said at all what
Parker Fisher
Am I the only one that seems to always get lucky with their squads?
I had a neutral Nova, an Equinox, an Excal and myself as Mesa. Ok the Excal was useless but 2 out of 3 isn't bad. I killed the first few enemies with peacemaker, then Equinox would release her 4 with like 200k damage at that point because Mesa is ridiculous and that would kill the rest of them. Repeat 2 to 3 times per wave. Repeat every wave. Done. No problems, no revives. Easy.
Jace Rivera
>all those "LF sortie 2" at recruiting
Jackson Scott
4 minutes.
Cooper Hughes
RIOT if no Ash changes during devstream
Brandon Martinez
www.twitch.tv /warframe
Luke Hughes
what you said is you need to never leave the lab until you are sure all your tests are able to pass, and that you cannot test properly in a lab. You're contradicting yourself left and right. Please stop.
Benjamin Green
No.
Wyatt Richardson
what the fuck are you even saying? Real scientific experiments such as drug testing place a heavy emphasis on practical use, but practical testing is limited because you can't test out random chemicals on humans. In Warframe there's no such limitation, you can test out anything you want in real missions. Simulacrum testing is the equivalent of in situ laboratory testing that doesn't reflect real-world usage at all.
Dominic White
One last chance this year for a nip slip...
Nathaniel Butler
how does that make you feel?
Joseph Fisher
does crit chance matter over 100%
Charles Clark
So is this good or is it better to reroll for base damage/multishot?
John Moore
red crits do 4 times the damage 6 times if you READ THE FUCKING WIKI
Chase Stewart
>tfw actually looking forward to infested frame, something I wanted since the beginning of the game >tfw he'll probably be shit >tfw couldn't give less of a fuck about bardframe
You always want to test in a controlled environment with as few variables as possible that you can ideally also change one at a time. That is called scientific modelling and one of the most fundamental aspects of the modern scientific method. This applies even in warframe, you want to test stuff in the simulacrum because it is a controlled environment and you can change the variables so you can actually draw conclusions other than "oh but it FEELS better in a real mission".
Evan Cooper
CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS WHEN
Adam Jenkins
THICC
Nicholas Long
With a "Merry Christmas, Loser!" Banner hanging
Anthony Richardson
hot, tribute worthy
Nathan Murphy
...
Jaxson Sullivan
makes me feel like Simulacrum warriors are in dire need of lobotomies
Controlled environment doesn't mean jack shit if it's not representative of the real world for the variable you're trying to test. In particular, scientific modelling you're describing is NOT what's going on here. Scientific modelling is breaking down a complex thing to its components so it's easier to understand, which is why controlling variables is so important. In the Simulacrum you're not trying to model anything. You're testing things.
Charles Jackson
who's this?
Joshua Bell
what is extrapolation
I do not like/use the simulacrum because no 4cp, which pretty heavily skews TTK but c'mon
Samuel Turner
>In the Simulacrum you're not trying to model anything. You're testing things.
Are you for real? You build a model so you can test things on it. That's the entire point of modeling. A simplified version of reality that you can use to test things in.
Evan Miller
what the fuck is this inane bullshit? give us content you fucks
Dominic Harris
>implying there is content to show
Luke Taylor
Foodfetishframe
Jaxon Howard
>at least there aren't nominees
Dylan Reed
can we throw those 2 streamers into the oven? I still don't even know why they were on stream.
Nathaniel Gomez
I hate the word but holy fuck I'm cringing so hard at this garbage.
Jaxson Davis
i'll be her loser any day famalams
Thomas Rodriguez
Why do that when you can test it out in a real mission at no cost? Especially when the test environment is not representative of real missions? This is what tricks shitters into thinking retarded shit like gas stealth multipliers and the Vauban Bastille bug is good.
Though I was a bit wrong what I said before. Sometimes Simulacrum testing is useful for very simple things, for example if you want to test out weapon builds and want to now which one is better, you can test TTKs in the Simulacrum. But you can't take Simulacrum testing as gospel.
I guess it's more accurate to say shitters think Simulacrum testing is the end-all be-all, while Simulacrum testing is only a step in the overall testing process that ends with real, in-mission efficiency.
Colton Morgan
That fucking painful to watch, what the fuck were they thinking?
Matthew Kelly
What happened? mobilefag here
Jaxson Young
at least they know it's all cringe
Luis Peterson
Going through a very lame tenno choice award thing where they show clips of old shit they though was funny.
Carson Roberts
Showing the most CRINGE moments of 2016, one of them was the two faggot streamers on the night of the WW update
Jaxon Richardson
>this whole stream
Lincoln Rodriguez
they should show the boob scene of rebecca instead of this cringe fest
Colton Lee
she made it >do it for her
Gabriel Edwards
Ughh
Samuel Bennett
>now it's biggest cringe fuck, wow, just fuck
Eli Price
I think you just missed the generally accepted implication that simulacrum is for TTK testing and/or single effects for example from new mods and so on. At least I hope we all agree on that.
The thing that started this entire discussion was an user testing Mesa vs Titania TTKs on heavy gunners, which is precisely what you should use the simulacrum for. From there on you can extrapolate and go into actual missions to test practicality and so on.
Justin Kelly
This is so painful to watch
Connor Miller
THIS HURTS ANONS MAKE IT STOP
Eli Stewart
BEST GIRL
Angel Rogers
>calling the guy who "proposed" on panel best cringe
