What is the best sleeper tuner platform?

FastChef
FastChef

What is the best sleeper tuner platform?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Older Volvo, E30, non-riced japboxes

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Volvo 240
RWD
easy engine swaps because fuck huge engine bay
limited slip diff is easy to put in
boxy and unassuming

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

ford taurus sho, older ones of course

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Saturn Ion Redline
factory supercharger
gm ecotec engine
looks like a piece of shit Saturn ion

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

The late 90s supercharged GM w-bodies like the Grand Prix GTP

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Volvo with a T5 engine.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I love me a good turbo brick

Sho with the Yamaha V6 or the 32v V8?

Is the GM ecotec known for being a tuner platform or something? I've never heard this

How much power do you think you'd be able to get out of the factory sc with just a tune?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

There used to be a trip here with a Grand Prix GTP pushing around 300 and I've seen a video on youtube where somebody with a regal got it up to the 400 HP range, don't remember if it had the original supercharger though.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Damn a regal like that sounds so badass. I can't imagine that's with the stock low end though

Firespawn
Firespawn

This.

A buddy of mine bought an older turbobrick for $200. He did a turbo swap for $150 and built a home-made boost controller.

Damn thing could probably run a low 12 if you could keep it at WOT for more than 8 seconds without it cutting fuel/timing from sensing knock.

I have driven and owned several race cars (8s range) and that fucking turbobrick was the most unruly and violent car I've ever driven. Zero manners. Raped ape.

WebTool
WebTool

First gen honda insight, motor swapped and muffled to hell.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I've heard a lot of food things about ecotec engines, but I'm afraid I don't know much more. In terms of the Saturn Ion Redline, GM sold engine kits and iirc you can get over 240hp with them. I'd imagine you could get more power with some aftermarket parts. Plus a lot of it is interchangeable with the cobalt ss

massdebater
massdebater

Any saab with the b234r or b204r, motor way over built and any t3 turbo will bolt right to the factory exhaust manifold.

Playboyize
Playboyize

2jz anyone?

SniperGod
SniperGod

First gen Skoda Superb, and here's why:
These are VW B5 platform cars. Mechanically as good as identical to the B5 Passat, which just so happens to be one of the few generations of Passat to share the majority of its drivetrain with the Audi A4 of the same years.
The Skoda even came in AWD (just like the A4 and Passat), though that's a fairly rare version, and those AWD parts are straight up Audi Quattro bits. This means the entire drivetrain from a B5 S4 or RS4 should bolt right in, and that twin turbo V6 can make pretty good power.
You could even fit one of Audi's 4.2l V8s in there, too. Fairly common swap for B5 platform cars.

And then you can blow people the fuck out at the lights in a fucking Skoda.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

cresta/chaser/mkII/verossa

Spamalot
Spamalot

thats exactly what i was thinking
big single turbo 4dr in lame ass white like that would be the awesome.
rhd is the only thing that that sucks about it

w8t4u
w8t4u

We don't have this in 'MURICA

idontknow
idontknow

One of these will also house an S4 or RS4 drivetrain. Hell, the AWD bits on the 4motion versions just say "Audi" instead of "VW/Audi".

happy_sad
happy_sad

Tesla.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

looks like a piece of shit saturn ion

Except the front looks way sexier. But if it's an ion redline they wont be seeing much of your front.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Galant VR-4.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Beautiful

Here's my admission

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Is the GM ecotec known for being a tuner platform or something?
Yes.GM heavily publicized it between 2002 and 2010 through the GM Performance Division. You can even go to GM and buy a book or 3 that tells you how to modify the Ecotec engine for power.
GM's own 2.0L Ecotec powered pro-FWD drag cars make 1400 HP.

Companies like ZZPerformance have ecotec performance parts as their bread and butter.

viagrandad
viagrandad

A riced out civic/integra/s14 doesn't matter, as long as it has insane bodykits and underglow and all that. No, I'm not shitposting, let me explain:
Riced out cars are viewed the same as stanced cars by auto enthusiasts, more or less. Flashiness over speed, too much money on unnessecery addons, etc. Everyone expects a riced civic to break off a bumper or to lose to an old volvo brick in a drag race, AND THAT is exactly why they would make the best sleepers. If you make it actually fast, nobody will ever see it coming.

TechHater
TechHater

W124

hairygrape
hairygrape

LS400 is considered a grandpa car. But has quite an aftermarket scene and has a bay that can fit most high-performance engines. Can he had for under $2000

Methshot
Methshot

Is it hard to manual swap them?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Literally the same powertrain as a Supra, so no.

FastChef
FastChef

not the 400. the 400 is the 4 liter pos V8

cum2soon
cum2soon

LS400
Same powertrain as a supra
dumbass it has a v8

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

bump

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Stock bottom end on a 3800 is good for 600 HP easy.

JunkTop
JunkTop

E30 BMW 3 series
light
strong, simple engine and drivetrain
huge aftermarket

E28 BMW 5 series
strong, simple engines and drivetrain
lots of space for turbos and swaps

Volvo 2/740
strong, simple engine (weak transmission though)
lots of space for turbos and swaps

Firespawn
Firespawn

yes but many adapter kits are out there, the parts themselves will cost around $800-1000 and the transmission can cost from $1000-1200

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What about the transmission? There's no way it'll last long at 600 HP. Can the stock transmission even handle that much?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Nah, it'll shit itself around 400

Bidwell
Bidwell

Chevy Astro with a V8, sub 4000lbs, RWD.

likme
likme

Just bought a 94 850 T-5, and holy fuck the thing is a beast stock. One tire fire for sure though.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

sleepers dont exist anymore now that new corvettes make upwards of 600 horsepower.

The upside is that the vast majority of cars top out in the 9's whether it's a supra or a twin turbo farmtruck because of physics or something. So dump enough money into anything and it'll be a "sleeper" I guess. It isn't 2006 anymore.

Evilember
Evilember

Perfect

RavySnake
RavySnake

940
same dealio as the 240/740
m90 transmission stronk
last of the great rwd swedebarges
Bonus points for making a wagon sleeper

TechHater
TechHater

where's the fucking W190?!

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

W190
It's either a 190E, or a W201 (it's chassis code). Make up your mind.

And they're utterly slow by modern standards. The quickest would be the inline six, which is pigfat heavy, and only manages an 8.7 sec 0-60. Anything with 16 valves is ridiculously expensive, and isn't a sleeper since they usually come with very conspicuous bodykits.

Illusionz
Illusionz

The 16v is much quicker than the i6. Swapping in an m104 AMG i6 would be the best way to get B I G power.

Playboyize
Playboyize

M90 stonk
More like stronger, you're still gonna fuck up the syncro for 3rd unless you modify the tranny. Best way to make a rwd volvo sleeper is probably with a getrag transmission + T5 combo, you can just buy all parts as bolt ons, no modification needed.

w8t4u
w8t4u

940s didn't come with M90 in the US, that's why I didn't include that

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Sierra or Escort Cossie, make it look like the regular shitbox model and soup that baby up!

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

The 16v is much quicker than the i6.
Also 10 times as flashy. The bodykits on the 16v models are a dead giveaway, and even then they take about 8 seconds to get to 60MPH. Not a performance car by any modern standard. The only ones that are kind of good are the EVO's, and those are more expensive than your house.

Swap in an M104
Which would probably be a major hassle, because the E36 AMG was rare as fuck, and the W201 chassis was designed for a single cam 2.6L I6, not a DOHC 3.6L one. And then, after all that ridiculous work, you end up, at the very best, with acceleration on par with the W210 E36's, so about 6.7 seconds to 60. A Fiesta ST would give you a run for your money.

Face it, the W201 chassis makes for an awful sleeper.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Usually, the synchro is fucked because of people resting their hands heavily on the shifter and slamshifting it like apes. I've put around 250 horses through mine for over a year now with no issue. It was pretty well maintained when I bought it, though, so that probably helps.

Evilember
Evilember

5cyl, 24vales, does not compute. 20 or 25 I get

TechHater
TechHater

Looks like a 6 to me.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

6 intake ports
It's a 6 cilinder, duh.

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