Choose wisely

haha I was only acting retarded

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Need more numbers to make an informed choice. Horsepower, torque, redline, fuel efficiency. Choosing either one without this information is just stupid.

twin-turbo i4

>800kg v8 engine
LOL? Is that a diesel v8 truck engine? A fucking LS weighs around 400 lbs which is 200kgs?
>4.0L V6
Fuck off cunt I don't want your Pos displacement v6 shit. Gimmie 3.0L Inline 6, supercharged or twin turbo.

>Gimmie 3.0L Inline 6, supercharged or twin turbo.
Twin scroll 3.0L I6 a best.

>6.0L v8
>attach blower
>beefy rear end
>leave "muh weight muh revs" fags in the dust

V8 because V6 sounds like shit

Why can't I v8+turbo

Why do retards in this board belive there is no replacement for displacememnt?
If you have two 302 V8's and you turbo one of them, the turbo one will make more power

>b-but if you get a bigger engine
and if you turbocharge that bigger engine it will make more power

So, it sounds like the limiting factor for an engine is, in fact, its displacement?

Thanks for being retarded.

What are you are real retart?

there are way more important limiting factors in an engine than displacement

thanks for being ignant

V8
4.4L
500kg
+ twin-turbo

You can change everything about an engine, except the block you retards. You can only bore and stroke so much while you can boost to oblivion.

Displacement is the limiting factor. Otherwise giant ships would use ecoboost 1Ls with turbos the size of car wash dryer fans.

Only because Ford wasn't competing :^)

Of which you can change. That is why they say there is no replacement for displacement you fool.

>1800 and 1300lb engines

are they made of uranium?

>Displacement is the limiting factor.

its really not tho

I dont think many have ever met the limits of displacement

F1 was making 1000hp/l in the highest power days with 1.5L ffs

no they say it because they think big is all that matters lmao

this is what I thought at first

then I thought maybe it was some lightweight purpose built race car or something

You can only suck so much air in, and the engines can only rev so high, and compress before they blow themselves up.

Just becuase it can be done doesn't mean its a smart thing to do nor is it suitable for every application.

Bigger displacement engines are typically more reliable than smaller displacement engine making the same power.

Those 4cylinders making 1000+hp only lasted a race or two, becuase that was what they were designed to do.

>no they say it because they think big is all that matters lmao
Only rednecks
>F1 was making 1000hp/l in the highest power days with 1.5L ffs
Ah yes an extremely narrow power band for a specific application. Remind me again why giant diesel generators and ships use huge diesel engines? You can always add more air. You can't make the engines displacement bigger. A 4L at the same boost will always beat a 2L at the same boost when reaching other mechanical limits.

There is NO replacement for displacement.

>becuase that was what they were designed to do.

gee

its like that is the single most important part of an engine or something

>Remind me again why giant diesel generators and ships use huge diesel engines?

because torque they dont need horsepower how many high revving diesels are there anyway

>You can't make the engines displacement bigger.

thats what forced induction basically is

>A 4L at the same boost will always beat a 2L at the same boost

nope

way more factors involved than that
thats not how it works

>There is NO replacement for displacement.

forced induction

No it sounds like the limiting factor is if its turbocharged

It doesn't matter what size it is, no replacememnt for forced induction

Thanks for being retarded.

>tarbo's don't have displacement

>because torque they dont need horsepower
Confirmed for not understanding that torque is meaningless and only hp matters. Thanks for confirming I'm speaking to a retard.
>forced induction
When all other mechanical limits are hit, they only thing you can change is displacement. Not even Jesus himself could make a 1L ecoboost more powerful than a pic related. This is simple mechanics dude
Big surprise a weaboo tripfag is retarded. Tell me how many tarbos it takes to make more power than this?

That engine would make less power without tarbos

Tarbos win again

good job being retarded

And for you retards who don't get it. If you add more turbos or boost, it blows up. Add more or bigger cylinders, and you are good.

You cannot change the engine you start with, there is no replacement for displacement. If a giant ass turbo diesel generator doesn't explain it to you then kys.

now youre just using retarded examples like some kind of autist

I like how that uses turbos too

turbos are a replacement for displacement since they basically add it

So the number of tarbos is limited by how big the engine is?

Wow. That means, there is no replacement, for displacement.

Dipshits. Stop looking at this from a hick view and look at it from a simple PV=nRT view you plebs.

They do.

>no replacememnt for displacement

>grab two similar engines
>turbo one
>???
>turbo makes more power

lol retard

omglol

>105800cc
>4000hp

JUST

>really thinks every turbo is identical
>thinks the size is what determines how many of them you can have
>googled terms to use

this guy is funny

literally this
plus no lag

>800kg
>6.0L V8
Tell me more about your innovative lead/tungsten alloy engine block

>implying the turbo is the engine
Are you all literally retarded? You can accesorize your engine how you feel, you can't change it's displacement beyond what the block allows.

This is why we call it an engine, and not a turbo with an internal combustion engine of varying size attached.

>this much damage control

literally so btfo'd he is arguing linguistics now

>implying anyone even said that

the fuck do you even know what youre saying anymore

forced induction is basically additional displacement

forced induction is the replacement for displacement

end of story

Much of what this gentleman is saying is true.
I'm positive he is some sort of car scientists so lets take his word as gospel.

This.

turbos aren't very good

Tungsten cylinder sleeves and pistons, actually. The block is an alloy of Iridium and Osmium.

Engine without a turbo=engine
Turbo with an engine=paperweight

If you fail to understand the linguistics and philosophical properties of the argument at hand I recommend you either go back to your trailer park or State-funded housing project where you may take free mass transit.
And you hit a limit that a spark controlled or pressurized combustion engine can hit. Boost is limited. Displacement is not.

How dense are all of you?
I'm just a mechanical engineer with a simply understanding of enthalpy, entropy, and ICEs.

The redneck meme of no tarbo is dumb, but what they say is physically factual. For reasons they don't understand.

Also you're all fags, the answer is clearly 4L I6 with a fuckhuge turbo

>what is an air filter
No way that conical intake is of the proper shape. What kind of redneck fuck designed this?

>Engine without a turbo=engine
>Turbo with an engine=paperweight
lmao good job retard

>I'm just a mechanical engineer
confirms STEMlords are autistic

Nah filters are for pussies uleh

*without

Only an autist can't tell intent from what is spoken bud. That is actually a clinical symptom. I'm sure you can check off a few more.

>Boost is limited. Displacement is not.

theoretically neither are limited

unfortunately for you this is a car board and your generator babble is irrelevant

if you fit the biggest engine you can in a car then add FI its going to make more power than it will NA

>b-but no replacement for displacement

but oh no you cant make the block any bigger due to size restrictions

forced induction is a replacement

dwi nerd

pretty much

every engineer i meet are the most autistic annoying fucks ever

What the fuck are you making these engines out of that they weigh so much.

again autist, if you grab a bigger engine than the turbo 302, and turbo that one, you will end up making more power

no replacement for turbocharging

>He doesn't have a depleted uranium block
It's like you actually want to have your shit twist under 150psi

>theoretically neither are limited
But in reality, one IS limited. And that is boost. Be it a diesel or a electronic ignition engine, the pressure it can withstand is limited. And thats that. There is no replacement for displacement.
And if you tarbo the bigger engine you win again. There is no replacement for displacement.

There is a limit of how much pressure you can push into the combustion chamber of an ICE.

There is no limit to how big or how many combustion chambers you have.

There is NO replacement for displacement. You can try to compensate, but in the end, the bigger engine will win. Have any of you tards passed a high school chemistry class?

Glorious turbo big I6 master race
youtube.com/watch?v=8lDNnCCj-_c
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>if you grab a bigger engine than the turbo 302, and turbo that one, you will end up making more power
So, no replacement for displacement? Thanks weeb for proving my point.

it still boils down to it that forced induction is a replacement

you can keep chasing fantasies of 100000L engines with 1000cc 10v heads but the truth is your argument is almost completely irrelevant in the realm of cars

>and if you tarbo this big engine

that engine is still turbocharged isn't it? that means turbo wins retard, as the similarly shaped engine without a turbo would make less power

dumbass

A turbo 1L will never make more power than a turbo 2L. Period. No replacement for displacement doesn't mean you can't use FI dipshit. It means you can't change how much air you can input when hitting the maximum compression pressure of your four stroke engine.
No replacement for displacement is not a N/A v. FI thing. Thanks for being a retarded hick. Do you live in a trailer park or ride a bus?

>A turbo 1L will never make more power than a turbo 2L

once again he thinks all engines and turbos are equals

10/10

The argument is, all things being equal, a bigger displacement engine will always make more power. This is simple physics. We aren't talking about compensating. ICEs are limited by the pressure they can take before their spark plugs shoot out or they blow a head gasket. You can always get a larger displacement engine. Hence boost is limited, while engine size in unlimited.

There is no replacement for displacement, which may reach infinity while combustion pressure may not.

Have any of you fags even taken Calculus. A turbo or combustion pressure approaches a limit. Displacement is unlimited but hindered by application.

There is no replacement for displacement. This is simple math.

>all things being equal
All things indicates the same quality material for the internals.

The 1L will have a shorter stroke, allowing more revs, allowing a bigger turbo and making more power.

It's the reason destroked engines are a thing

Okay, so I take your 1L and make it 2L with the same stroke and boost.

No replacement for displacement. How fucking dense are you?

>Doubling capacity with the same stroke
Have fun with that.

I dont want a generic gurgling v6.

>Literally elongating a crankshaft
Really dude? Minimal losses from doing so overcomes the doubling of displacement and power potential.

Swallow your kool-aid like you do nightly and please stop spewing your retardation.

>Displacement is unlimited but hindered by application.

exactly displacement has physical limits

physical limits that can be replaced with forced induction

for a nerd youre retarded
guess its hard to think realistically huh

>tfw that piston size

wew

this nerd were dealing with doesnt know shit about engines and only theories

This

>No replacement for displacement is not a N/A v. FI thing.

You utter retard, if you are going to compare tw engines, which are both turbocharged, it means that they make a lot of power because they are turbocharged, it doesn't matter what their displacememnt is, as they make power because of the turbos

nice deflection btw

>exactly displacement has physical limits
No replacement for displacement
>physical limits that can be replaced with forced induction
not if the same engine has the same boost
>guess its hard to think realistically huh
Ironic.

>all things being equal
all things being equal, the turbocharged engine will make more power

stay btfo

All things being equal, the larger displacement engine makes more power than the smaller one with the same tarbo.

How dense are you fucks?

Thank god one person here isn't a retard. On that note I'm out, lost cause.

>Both have turbos

good job making your whole point moot

That's not how air works, nigger.

>No replacement for displacement

forced induction

sorry you live in denial and cant admit it

>not if the same engine has the same boost

the fuck that reply doesnt make sense

let me break it down for you

if you cant fit a bigger engine in a car then displacement is fucked

forced induction can replace displacement and make more power than youd ever be able to get out of that engine bay normally

>Ironic.

sure thing Mr. I Only Have Theories With No Real Knowledge

aka

I got my shit pushed in by multiple people so Im going to cut my losses and leave

v8

>muh ship engines
So why do they use turbo 2 strokes instead of larger displacement naturally aspirated 4 strokes?
Fucking idiotic cunt stop posting any time thank you

I never argued N/A vs FI you niggers. The bigger FI will always bet the smaller FI.
Actually it does all things being equal.
Y'all are retarded.
>imblying I was wrong
I 2L with XXX tarbo is better than a 1L with XXX tarbo.

fin. pic related

Why don't they use a 4 cylinder 2 stroke versus a 24 cylinder 2-stroke?

>the bigger fi will always beat smaller fi
Really? So a 4l l6 from the 70s with a turbo slapped on it will make more power than a vr38dett? Literally kill yourself Roflmao

nope

not how it works Mr. Theory

Ill take a 1.4 L v4 please.

An IH 6.9 diesel V8 is right around 900 lbs/410 kg.

>all things being equal
Yes, it will you dumb fuck. Stop living in fantasy land and accept simple physics.
Cool. Remind me about this when your 1L turbo engines replace my 24 cylinder diesel generator because of ur tarbos.

>gets BTFO
>w-well let me move the goalposts

not an argument, here dummy, try again

>hurr all being equal
There's no such thing you dumb cunt.

Let's take one of my little turbos off my soarer and put all the exhaust from a viper engine through it and see how much the viper engine manages to make with a gigantic exhaust restriction

>all things being equal
So both engines being the same displacement? You aren't making any sense

Yeah, it's called supercharging.
>tarbo fags BTFO

i almost feel bad for the turbofags getting btfo itt