Thoughts on Marx's theory of historical materialism?

The yugo model failed because Tito was a retard who just took massive loans instead of actually doing something

Complete bunk, overly simplifying societal development. Also laughing pretty hard at how it mentions Russia, China, and Cuba as examples of moving to "Socialist republics" even though most Commies claim they aren't "real communism".

A socialist republic is a means to achieve communism

This. It was basically two disgruntled noble houses deciding to overthrow the Shogunate and replace him with the Emperor, using the recent intervention of America as the catalyst/excuse to make their power play.

That picture triggers me, the pyramids were not built by slaves, the workers most likely viewed it as a duty the same way we view paying taxes.

Class relations had an impact on history, but he vastly overinflates it and his followers inflated it even more as that image proves.

But it did better than Soviet satellite states, despite pissing off both the USSR and the USA.

Which has fuck all to with Russia or China or Cuba.

>That picture triggers me, the pyramids were not built by slaves, the workers most likely viewed it as a duty the same way we view paying taxes.
Clearly you've never talked to an ancap lolbert

True but markets still fucked with wages, inflation and unemployment.

Their base is indeed modern and developed while their superstructure is straight up 17th century.

Then whatever you consider Russia, China and Cuba were, that was a means to achieve communism, doesn't fucking matter because my point is still the same

This. It's "troublesome" in the sense that it's horseshit. Cherry-picked evidence, lots of baseless assertions and assumptions relied upon etc. And I'm a democratic socialist.

Deserves a place in the retired pantheon right alongside Whig history, its estranged parent.

Better how? It was funded by western capital.

Yugo was a shithole compared to East Germany and Czechoslovakia.

Yes because it used capitalist money to fund its programs. That's the problem with socialism, it only works as long as you have somebody else's money.

Brutal authoritarian regimes are not my idea of an equal society.

>That's the problem with socialism, it only works as long as you have somebody else's money.

Ding dong the witch is dead - Fuck off Thatcher.

Ok? What I'm trying to say is that the leaders of those respective countries believed communism can be achieved using the means that they used(marxism-leninism). Just because it didn't work doesn't suddenly mean marxism-leninism == communism.

>east germany
Not a fair comparison. That has everything to do with them being German and nothing to do with them having a centrally planned economy. See West Germany.

It's literally a half-assed attempt of making historiography a science and thinking shit like French revolution could be empirically used to predict future events.

Marxism is to economics like alchemy is to chemistry or psychology is to neuroscience, still somehow stuck in ye olde days of pseudoscientific horseshit and unable to become a respectable field.

>somebody else's
Nice spook you got there

>it's a Germanaboo episode

>That has everything to do with them being German

>Marxism is to economics like alchemy is to chemistry or psychology is to neuroscience, still somehow stuck in ye olde days of pseudoscientific horseshit and unable to become a respectable field.
t. someone who has never read marx and doesnt even know what he talks about

I read Marx (Communist manifesto, good chunk of the first Kapital and some of the articles posted on marxists.org) and honestly wish I did not. It's horseshit and about as scientific as Freudian psychoanalysis.

>about as scientific as Freudian psychoanalysis
Marxists would take this as a compliment.

Says a lot about them.

>Communist manifesto
Shitty overrated pamphlet written by Engels. It's only widespread because it's short and a relatively easy read, as far as German texts go. It's prized by revolutionaries because it's a call to revolution and it's how they can relate their revolutionary struggles to Marx, even if they want to set up a backwards dictatorship.

>good chunk of the first Kapital
Apparently you gave up and projected that Marx was advocating Boshevik dictatorships, and not merely criticizing capitalism.

>some of the articles posted on marxists.org
The majority of those are by tankies. Tankies exist because Marx said
>Every step of real movement is more important than a dozen programmes
So the USSR appeared to be a real step against capitalism, and not meaningless conjecture about how things could be better.

>I read less than 5% of Marx's work and didn't like it, so it's all shitt

If you think Kapital (especially vol.1) is anything like psychoanalysis then kysmm

>YOU NEVER READ MARX
>Yes I did
>BUT YOU NEVER READ ALL OF MARX

Honestly one doesn't need to read the entirety of the Twilight saga to know it's shit.

You should read critique of the Gotha Program. It's basically Marx bashing people that didn't understand gommunism.

>>Yes I did

Very much debatable kiddo

>kiddo

I'm probably old enough to be your dad, "kiddo". Keep reaching and memeing.

>I read the first half of the first Harry Potter book
>Therefore I know everything there is to know about Harry Potter

You didn't even finish the book, how can you say you read Kapital

Can Marxcucks and /leftypol/ fuck off? I'd rather here autistic ranting about the holocaust being faked than this shit

Well you definitely can call Harry Potter garbage after reading the first book.

I will not leave your safe space

But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only -- for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored. Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal.

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oh shit an mspaint comic

don't I look the fool

yes

You believe in Marx's tripe, you're already looking the fool

You do

good analysis but poor presentation, in terms of being normy friendly it is dwarf fortress tier

/leftypol/ is a literal safe space.

You do, although the comic is really just the cherry on top.

>poor presentation, in terms of being normy friendly it is dwarf fortress tier
That's what happens when a German writes something.

Almost everything about Marxism is a spook.

>Almost everything about Marxism is a spook.
Yeah, but it's okay if they're self serving spooks.

Two (You)s, thanks.

see picture

What do you believe

My only fucking beef with /leftypol/ is the double standards the mods employ on this board, apparently /pol/ posting gets you axed even if you're genuinely arguing instead of shitposting, whereas /leftypol/ shitpost sprees go unchecked. Apply the same fucking standard hotpocket fucks.

/pol/ has been shitposting and baiting all over itself since before /leftypol/ existed. Also reported for complaining about moderation.

Except I'm talking about how the mods act on Veeky Forums.

>HITLER DINDU NUFFIN, KIKES INTO OVENS OY VEY SCHLOMO
>instant ban

>STALIN DINDU NUFFIN PORKY CLASSKEK KILL ALL KULAKS
>stays up the whole day

Savage

Roughly as empirically correct as his theory on the value of Labor.

Nomsayain

>Anyone claiming a linear/positivist view of history should not be listened to

Why?

One is obviously satire. I wish Veeky Forums was still the same as old Veeky Forums where it could be assumed that both were satire, but sadly, that's not the case anymore.

What's wrong with his LTV

It doesn't real

How so?

Tankies are the most powerful race in the world

He says that there's no invisible hand, and LTV doesn't explain prices.

>reporting reports
reported

Marx never denies supply and demand influencing prices

>leftists literally need mods to quell all opposition so they don't get BTFO in every thread

Notice that you don't get banned on /pol/ for being a leftist but you do get banned on /leftypol/ for being right wing.

>Notice that you don't get banned on /pol/ for being a leftist
But you don't have genuine leftists on /pol/, you just have rightist /pol/ baiting other /pol/ with leftybait to push the rightist agenda.

Back to /r/fullcommunism kid.

>i-it's t-t-totally satire g-g-guys

Could you have come up with a shittier excuse?

Go ahead and make a leftist thread this second on /pol/ and see whether you get banned.

So you're saying neither one is satire, and you think both are super cereal?

Funny thing is even if it's satire it's still shitposting so I fail to see how it's relevant.

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>Notice that you don't get banned on /pol/ for being a leftist
Heh. You don't seriously believe this do you?

Yes
This

>literally needing to create your own fucking ivory tower board because you can't handle the bantz on /pol/
>talks about safe spaces

My sides

Based redditor confirmed for never having been on /pol/

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

Where in the rules does it say "You must be right wing to post on this board"

The worst that could happen is that your thread/post gets deleted by a butthurt right wing janny.

The threads don't stay alive along enough get bans. They fall off the board before a mod can get to them. Also don't pretend like you want the global rules actually enforced on /pol/. Are you really implying that they will ban you within a second when they do it for free?

Unironically this. He seriously think /pol/ bans everyone who's not a nazi or something while it's literally free game for everyone. There was a shitload of leftists on /pol/ initially, they just eventually left because everyone laughed at them, nobody was banning them.

Based redditor moving the goalposts, whatever will he think of next?

/pol/kiddies plz. They ban you for "shitposting" whenever you say anything they don't like. I made a serious thread not long ago asking why right wing people are generally less educated and they all got triggered and thought less educated = less intelligent and banned me for a week.

>I made a serious thread not long ago asking why right wing people are generally less educated
Were they at least intelligent enough to realise it's because each generation is more educated than the last?

Proof of this ban?

Also, prove us wrong a second time, and make post again.

/pol/ is like 50% trolling right now and no one's getting banned, hell, a racemixing thread where nude black girls were posted reached the bumb limit

This.

The reason leftypol fucked off in the first place was because they were tired of having to defend their ideology inside the original /leftypol/ general so they fucked off to cripplechan where they have their own hugbox.

Lolbertarians get shit on all the time on /pol/ but they never became butthurt enough to run away and create their own hugbox.

So you want the rules against racism enforced on /pol/, apparently you think it's unfair that /pol/ gets away without having rules enforced unlike other boards?

Hell I'll even make the thread for him if he's scared of a ban, assuming it's not CP or some other illegal shit.

>/pol/ is like 50% trolling right now and no one's getting banned, hell, a racemixing thread where nude black girls were posted reached the bumb limit
By your own admission /pol/ is basically unmoderatable, and it barely takes any time on /pol/ to reach a bump limit.

No, I'm talking about you saying
>The threads don't stay alive along enough get bans. They fall off the board before a mod can get to them
Which is bullshit. Mods don't need a live thread to ban someone, and 2, /v/ is a much faster board yet people still get banned

It's not unmoderatable, since they still ban global stuff, they just don't give a shit about your leftie ass

>/leftypol/ moving the goalposts from "you get banned on /pol/ for being a leftist" to "/pol/ is too fast to get banned"

You in all seriousness can't make this shit up