Children

Why would you release a rehashed version of yourself and another person into this world?
It's obviously full of imperfections and suffering.
The child never chose you to be born to. And they didn't choose the genes and geographical location. You forced that on someone. Sounds like a crime to me. It's not justice. Maybe it is the way of life. But we aren't animals. We have a sense of reasoning and we don't need to do it anymore.

> But we aren't animals

Nice meme.

They have no sense of reason. They operate purely on instinct.

If you consider existence such suffering then just end your troubles

Prove it.

>[THE WORLD IS] obviously full of imperfections and suffering.

THAT IS WHY ONLY THE BEST INDIVIDUALS —GENETICALLY, MENTALLY, AND ETHICOMORALLY— SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO REPRODUCE, WHICH IS WHY REPRODUCTION NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THE TOTAL AUTHORITY OF THE POLITY.

TO THE WORLD SHOULD ONLY COME THOSE WHO WILL STRIVE TO IMPROVE IT, MOVING CLOSER TOWARD ITS ULTIMATE TRANSCENDENCE.

This is a nonquestion. A nonexistent person cannot choose anything until it starts existing, and by that point parentage and geographical location are determined.

And how is it a crime to force life onto someone I ask?

>rehashed version of yourself and another
Yeah I don't know why you're putting a negative spin on that. Genetic diversity is a good thing.
>child never asked to be born
Nobody asked for the child's opinion.

Giving life to something that is probably going to resent it's own existence should be a crime.

>is probably going to resent it's own existence
While I agree, this is IMO way rarer than you make it out to be.

Just because it's something that's rarely expressed, it's okay?
Everyone hates their existence at one time or another. And I don't think they ever like it in the end.

>Everyone hates their existence at one time or another.
Proofless claim, but even so, that is not a general statement for the whole of someone's life - how is a single point relevant to the whole of a person's existence?

>And I don't think they ever like it in the end.
Another proofless claim. If this were true, the suicide rate would be through the roof.

This is such /r9k/ bullshit. Most people are glad they exist, ok? And if they aren't, they're free to stop existing.

People are prevented from suicide by the same self preservation instincts that you've given your children along with their other trash genes.
You've created someone and then prevented them from killing themselves and brainwashed them into liking you and themselves even though everything you've done for them isn't what they deserved.

I'm completely average and I like being alive

What now, faggot?

Op, this really isn't about your future kids; it's about your own parents, isn't it?

Are you the guy that wants children to bring criminal suits against their parents when they become adults?

Oh no! They like themselves? How horrible!

Yes

kill yourself. No really. Just go kill yourself.

So you wish you were never born?

Glad to see you're still around.

Contentment is the death of achievement, and unhappiness it's fuel. I reckon you'll go far, user.

Yes

Even if you go far, you'll look back and think that it wasn't worth it.

>Why would you release a rehashed version of yourself and another person into this world?
I wouldn't, but not by my own choice. Sex with a woman is not even on the table for me anymore.

This is a nice post.

What the fuck is with anti-natalism, I genuinely enjoy life, and the older I get the more I enjoy it. I also enjoy my family and spending time with them the idea of increasing it seems perfectly logical

It is interesting how anti-natalist philosophy only comes from socialist countries where individuals have no hope of social or financial improvement

Anti-natalism is far above what the vast majority can grasp or stomach. There are no even remotely solid arguments against it but it doesn't matter, evolution itself ensures that the madness continues.

>I genuinely enjoy life, and the older I get the more I enjoy it.

That is why you don't understand anti-natalism. This is Veeky Forums, a site full of bitter, angry, pitiful virgins who are filled with nothing but self-loathing and spiteful hatred of anyone who enjoys anything.

It's largely something that occurs when someone has the free time to ponder over existence rather than being chronically distracted by the necessities of life. Obviously genetic and environmental factors are involved in the production of a true pessimist too.

>ULTIMATE TRANSCENDENCE
are you trying to spook me?

Go away, retard.

It never is, but that doesn't mean anything to you after you're gone.

>There are no even remotely solid arguments against it
What about the fact that It literally doesn't help anyone at all.

then stop giving birth to me.

Help? Head over the the wikipedia page on anti-natalism and read up. Your argument makes no sense. Anti-natalism is about understanding/accepting the human condition and actively preventing suffering.

>actively preventing suffering
also prevents happiness/pleasure
but antinatalists insist on the completely unfounded idea that not suffering is good whereas not receiving pleasure is merely neutral.

Don't forget the fact that most of the arguments for it are based off projecting your experiences onto the entire human race.

Most people enjoy life andwant to get more of it. Nearly all anti-natalists who do it as a political thing (some will be this way on an individual level to avoid spreading disorders or stuff, which is fine) tend to be unhappy people, usually quite young, who assume that because they're not happy, that no-one else is either.

I love myself and being alive. It's other people I'm not so fond of. The less idiots around me, the better.

>He fell for the choice meme
I'm so sorry that your life has been a lie up until this point, but it doesn't have to continue like this.

So the whole argument falls apart if you don't buy into the "suffering=negative" meme.

The hell, Veeky Forums. Nietzsche just doesn't have the same novelty anymore?

What is the truth?

>Believing in transcendence
Wow.
It is called Science FICTION for a reason, user.

>brainwashed them into liking you and themselves
Not everyone is a depressed cry baby autist. Some of us, surprisingly, actual like life even with all the good and bad. You should learn to also. It feels pretty good.

plz

After at least a month of fedoras spamming antinatalist threads, conveniently ignoring arguments you couldn't disprove the last time, R Y Z H K N D has conclusively BLOWN you the fuck out. You can't ignore this, so what do you do? Reach for le spook meme.

If we're talking about spooks now, what about your own spooks? Is there some antinatalist club on reddit or somewhere? What got you spooked?

enjoy while it last
the ride is shorter than you imagine

>I am perpetually distracted from my condition by meaningless shit
well it won't last

>not wanting to have kid because you won't ever know before if they enjoy existence or not
>but somehow i'm the one projecting

FUCK YEAH BROTHRE 1488 YOU BETTER RESPECT THE FUCKING PACK OR GET THE fuck OUT OF THE WAY

>statistically the child is able to enjoy life
>But because you're unhappy, you assume the child will be too
>somehow not projecting by assuming everyone else must be the same as you

everyone who thinks their child will be happy is projecting