Can Veeky Forums explain why no American automaker has a reputation for reliability or build quality?
Not Ford, not GM, not even Tesla seem to be able to escape the complaints of misaligned panels, leaking roofs, unreliable engines/motors/batteries, etc. Yet German luxury marques are held up as world-standard engineering, and everyone says Japanese brands like Toyota and Honda are the most reliable, most future-proof cars you can buy.
What the fuck went wrong with America's auto industry?
Is it just because they hire Mexicans to build them in Mexico, or because union workers are lazy as shit, or because excessive automation means nobody fucking checks or cares about what gets shit out of the production line?
Do any of the auto industry history books shed light on this?
Gabriel Williams
japanese cars are more reliable because they're crushingly boring and use much older engineering
german cars are less reliable because they use bleeding edge stuff with little regard for longevity
we're somewhere in the middle and i think i'm ok with that
Jordan Morales
A combination of a somewhat protected market that stifled competition, a consumer culture that focuses heavily on quantity and frequent updates instead of quality and longevity, and the coalescence of a few, but extremely large conglomerates that quickly developed toxic corporate cultures. I recommend reading On A Clear Day You Can See General Motors byt DeLorean (yes, that DeLorean)
Ian Cook
Service side of dealerships pull in twenty times what sales makes.
Only the insane make reliable vehicles
Joshua Rogers
>german luxury >world standard
I heard alot of bmw dealers keep engines on hand because they go though so many
Connor Allen
>16283537 I heard people sometimes make up stories on Taiwanese knitting boards to support their biases.
Wyatt Perez
this
Anthony Brown
That doesn't change the reputation of #GermanEngineering though. Whenever you say it's a German people always think it's reliable and unstoppable.
Wasn't DeLorean an auto exec?
Why can't they do anythign about it now? Do they just not want to because servicing cars makes money?
Jason Hill
Niggers
Charles King
this and thats the reason why I need a caddy in yurop shithole
Ian Cruz
>use much older engineering How so?
Robert Gonzalez
>Japanese brands like Toyota and Honda are the most reliable never buying Toyota again my car with 54k miles burns 3 quarts every 5000 miles Toyota says its completely normal to burn 1 quart every 1500 miles my engine was put in 14 Toyota cars from 2001 to 2015 so it isn't just one "bad" car
Zachary Cooper
He was, ran Pontiac for a number of years and did very well, both on product and management. He was then told to do less well because he was upsetting top brass over at Chevy, and preserving the hierarchy, both among the brands and among the management group, was prioritized over putting out the best possible product.
When you're talking companies of this size, the bureaucratic inertia is ENORMOUS. You have to change the mindset and work pattern of literally hundreds of thousands of people. Between the workforce, the unions, the management, the investors, the suppliers and the dealers, there are going to be vastly different interests as to what direction the company should move in, what measures it should implement and so on. At the same time, you still have to figure out how to design and make better product, how to market them, and at the same time, the two other corporate giants are trying to do the same thing, so you're aiming for occupied space.
Shit is hard.
Isaiah Cook
toyota brings engine and chassis designs forward and forward and forward. some call it refining but...
also they intentionally under stress all their stuff.
the result is super reliability but mediocre performance almost always
Owen Davis
Honda had a class action suit about this. If it's an old engine of course this sort of thing happens.
Thomas Kelly
>german cars are less reliable what are volvos >japanese cars are more reliable what are subarus
Colton Perez
nice try, ford shill
Owen Gomez
Overhead Cams
Lucas Perry
Germans arguably introduced the modern era of turbocharged four cylinders into compact cars in the early 2000's with the 1.8T 20V. This was followed by a proliferation of turbocharged engines throughout their entire lineup by the time the American's were only just putting an engine into one model.
Near the end of the decade the American's followed suit with GM's Ecotec and Ford's Ecoboost. Chrysler did have the 2.4L Turbo from the Neon earlier, but that was hardly a modern engine, more of a hot-rodded N/A motor that they strapped a turbo to. Falling into the same vein as other performance cars that have popped up through all of the continents at various years and decades with little regularity.
We're are just past midway through this decade and only now are we seeing mainstream turbo four cylinder's start to proliferate through Japanese marque's.
William Harris
>what are volvos Chinese motherfucker.
Landon Sullivan
So why haven't Americans worked out the kinks in their engines if they're taking so long to get modern engines?
Leo Lee
volvos are ford/chinese/swedish also not that reliable subies are pretty reliable
Samuel Walker
You seen the V6 the IS200 uses?
Blake Morgan
No?
Sebastian Cooper
Same engine as a 2003 Toyota Crown.
Colton Turner
Honda's more American nowadays, I'd say almost all their cars are assembled and built in the US now.
Anthony Bell
>subies are pretty reliable
Aiden Edwards
This
Josiah Sanders
requesting an article on the car model that had spiders in the gas tank, or whatever part it was
Anthony Rivera
But they employ spics...
Jayden Russell
Hm.
So then, it has more spare parts than a comparable US engine, making repairs cheaper?
I don't know, I still want to buy a GM brand or Ford brand car for my next one.