>Motortrend gives BMW shit for making junk
>people accuse them of being biased and being paid off
>The Grand Tour confirms that the M4 GTS is a load of shit
Can we just admit modern BMW can't do anything right? A Camaro SS 1LE is just as fast as their track special with less power, more weight, less aero, more practicality, on street tires, for the third the price of the GTS.
>Can we just admit modern BMW can't do anything right?
They made the 335i, besides that yes.
>TGT
>can't do anything right
i like the m2 user
its fun to drive
Slower than a Carrera S which is one trim above base model.
Also
>M3 and M5 slower than a Boxster
From what I've read the GTS is alright on the right road. It's just £130k and spiky in anything but perfect conditions.
my man
bmw is pretty shitty right now but there are flashes of brilliance, see the bmw m2
The Grand Tour also named the BMW M2 one of the best vehicles ever made
stay mad poorfag, maybe one day you will have saved up enough to afford a 20 year old bmw
Clarkson said that in the Miata sense of best car. Slow as shit but it's fun
>needing to spend TWICE the price to make an M4 faster than an M2
It's as if the BMW fangirls enjoy being cucked by BMW.
>m2
>slow as shit
Totes brah it can't even merge on the highway with its 80hp slow as fuck engine
Stop posting
he meant the miata
BMW hasn't been NotShit, since the E36.
the e39 would like to have a word with you, faggot
the brand premium on the GTS is outlandish, even for a luxury sports car.
Except for you know the S54 powered ones. That was their pinnacle, and the end.
> Camaro
Lmfao if you think that pos even compares
V10 M5 and V8 M3 was the pinnacle
Modern Kraut anything is just shit
>shit engines
>shit aesthetics
>shit plastic
>shit pumped in sound
>shit visibility
>shit power
>shit electronics
>shit build quality
Porsche is the exception of course
These cars are so expensive so tards can't make 50k reselling them
sounds like shit, yet another bmw inline 6 that is made to sound like a raspy fart cannon.
Whats wrong with it?
Its no worse than the newer TGUK under clarkson
this, if only the v10 came with the e39 then it would be perfection
this is what BMW is today
Both junk, driven both extensively. E46 was the last M3 that was half decent. The first gens were the best for both followed by a slow decline.
Why do bmws and audis sound like shit? The most unenthusiastic sounds ive ever heard
Just watched that review. That bmw is a turd. You could modify an e30/36/46 etc whichever one you fancy and do the same things to it for 1/4 the cost.
same era, more or less.
>since the E36
Benchracing bus-rider detected.
I haven't looked at any of BMW's offerings since the mid 2000's. BMW is dead to me as a sports car manufacturer.
BMW exhaust notes used to be great. Ended with the retirement of motors like the S54 and S85, everything is FI/smaller displacement/etc now, and we'll never be going back.