Can we talk for a minute about FCA seemingly being on a crash course with disaster? Sergio's five year plan was very obviously complete bullshit with several cars being vaporware and updates to existing cars being pushed back for years. The company is 7.5 billion in debt and massive amounts of R&D money were spent on supposedly integral cars like the Dart and 200 that have both been shelved in pretty much no time in favor of high margin vehicles that will help them pay off their massive debt, a strategy that has been disastrous before (AMC). Even the kind of vehicles that they align perfectly with their strategy like the Grand Wagoneer is getting delayed, probably because they literally just don't have the capital to build it. I don't see how FCA can last more than a few years in it's current state.
Can we talk for a minute about FCA seemingly being on a crash course with disaster...
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FCA is finished. The GT will obliterate the viper and the GT500 will annihilate the hellkitty
ford>anything else
Sergio's talk of merging with another company was pretty obviously because he thinks FCA can't survive the next downturn.
how Lee phucc
Dat Blue is T H I C C
Ford will be making our Jeeps by 2020. Thank fuck.
What do you mean?
FCA is fine
It's all fine
Better than ever, in fact
>did not pull to the left or right
I'm impressed desu
I agree OP. We should've let chrysler die in 2009. They didn't make a relevant product then and still don't. Jeep is the only part of the brand worth anything.
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GM and ford shills pls go.
FCA is fine. Jeep is one of the top selling brands in the world, RAM trucks will always sell a solid 300k-400k a year, and Chrysler is doing well with the new Pacifica mini van.
Dodge is being restructured to be the sporty brand and is currently doing well with stop gap cars such as the upcoming awd challenger V6 and V8 along with the hellcat. These along with a refresh in 2018 should hold over until the charger/challenger are given the Alfa Romeo guilia platform which should cut 500 lbs off the cars.
They are bringing in some shit box rebadged as a neon and Chrysler is getting another sedan similar to the xts or Buick laCrosse.
Hellcat town and country when?
>Active air braking
This has actually REALLY impressed me. Straight as an arrow.
FCA is not fine.
Everything good that Dodge and Chrysler has was created in the Mercedes era. Platforms are a decade old, the 5.7 hemi and architecture is 15 years old! Dodge trucks are the least powerful and the heaviest. Thank fuck nobody uses trucks as trucks anymore. Jeep, only the wrangler and grand Cherokee is selling well. Typical bread and butter that Fiat shouldn't dare touch.
Sure they are still selling but for how much longer? There is nothing new on the table to replace them. Fiat thinks they can rebadge for "new" platforms and so far it's a disaster. Dart and 200 was a Fiat chassis, discontinued. Jeep Cherokee and Renegade, Fiat fwd garbage. Viper and SRT Chrysler discontinued. Pacifica is new but it's a minivan, so who cares.
hell yeah motherfucker
the Dart is actually a Alfa/Fiat.
>some shit box rebadged as a neon
it's the Fiat Aegea which is basically still a Dart which never stopped being a fat Alfa Giulietta
It's down to the Euro, it's slowly killing Italian and French industry.
VAG really should be closed down or moved to China, it's like an overgrown tree thats blocking all the light for everyone else.
If they're doing so well why are they looking to sell the whole thing off? This rumors have been going on for a while now, fuck sake Sergio was trying to court GM and other manufacturers and they all turned him down.
>allpar.com
Looks like they'e gonna pull another Diamler, use to get cash to invest in Alfa Romeo and Maserati then leave sell Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge and Ram to the Chinese.
I know it sucks, but it's reality. At least the Viper died with honor. Thank god the Chinese wouldn't be able to fuck with it and have it painted gold, stanced and shoving in a inline 4 triple turbo in it.
>pic related, rip snek
>He doesn't want a car that can do a stoppie
It seems that Chrysler has gone through continuous boom-bust cycles since the early 60's that last for 10-15 years each.
Just business as usual
Depending on which article you read, GM, Ford and FCA all took losses.
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>Platforms are a decade old
LX platform is being replaced by the Alfa guilia platform which is an incredible chassis from what reviews have said about the guilia in both turbo 4 and twin-turbo six form. Should cut up to 500 lbs off the cars
>5.7 hemi and architecture is 15 years old!
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>Dodge trucks are the least powerful and the heaviest
5.7 L V8 is more powerful than the 5.3 L Ecotech that chevy uses as their standard V8. They could easily throw in the 6.4 L Apache to beat the 6.2 L V8. It still ranks above the brand new Nissan Titan and Toyota Tundra.
>Jeep, only the wrangler and grand Cherokee is selling well.
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They sell aorund 150k wranglers a year and they sold 200k Grand Cherokees in 2015 out of 1.2 million sales. Most of their volume is coming from the smaller jeeps.
>There is nothing new on the table to replace them
1500, Grand Cherokee, and Wrangler are being updated in 2018 and are FCA's best sellling vehicles. Nothing tops the Grand Cherokee in the market, the 1500 will always sell due to fan base, and the wrangler will sell since there is nothing on the market to compete against it.
>Fiat thinks they can rebadge for "new" platforms and so far it's a disaster. Dart and 200 was a Fiat chassis
The dart and 200 weren't bad cars. The Dart had too much standard equipment that increased price and had shit engine choices which i blame Fiat for. The 200 wasn't a bad car at all. It was selling 175k units a year. Look up test results for the V6 fwd version. it pulls near the same performance stats as a 328i bmw.
>Jeep Cherokee and Renegade, fiat fwd garbage
As i said above, these are their top selling models as not everyone can afford a wrangler or Grand Cherokee. Cherokee is a pretty capable off-roader
>Viper and SRT Chrysler discontinued
Point? These were niche cars that barely made a dent in the market. Viper could actually work if they put an automatic in as much as autists scream about "muh manual" even though the lack of auto choice kills it off every time.
> Pacifica is new but it's a minivan, so who cares.
Minivans are still a solid market. Ford and GM pulled out because just like with the Jeep Wrangler Chrysler has corned the market with a superior product. That platform is going to serve also as a cheap entry level sedan for Chrysler that will slot below the 300 and above the 200 replacement.
The GT will barely compete with a 488 or 675LT, nevermind a Laf or P1, nevermind beating the ACR around a track.
>charger/challenger are given the Alfa Romeo guilia platform
Shouldn't they be given the new Alfa platform that's supposed to compete in the E-segment? Alfetta I think they called it. Or is the platform scalable enough to support the midsize Giulia, fullsize Alfetta, and fullsize Charger/Challenger?
Still that should mean there's an option for a Hellcat Giulia - making the current QV it's mid-trim.
>Hemi is old
And yet it's still got the highest n/a output in it's class (6.4), highest boosted output (Hellcat), and the regular 5.7 is the strongest base engine in the truck class - it ties with the Titan's 390hp V8. That means it takes similar displacement, independent VVT, VVL, DOHC, and direct injection to match the Hemi.
The Hemi being old only means one thing: there's plenty of room for improvement. The nice thing is that FCA has all the available tech in their portfolio. An aluminium, cam-in-cam VVT, direct injected Hemi would pretty much rule the market for at least a decade. Nevermind what could happen if they run a Multiair VVL system off that single cam....
>Viper could actually work if they put an automatic in as much as autists scream about "muh manual" even though the lack of auto choice kills it off every time.
This. I'd say fuck the middle ground, stop offering the T56/TR6060, and slap in two options: a manual sequential for the diehards, and then the ZF automatic (which should bolt right up) for the people who actually buy them. Make an ADR (American Drag Racer) version to promote the automatic, and just plain go for it.
They'd have to lop the top off to meet safety standards though.
ford wasn't bailed out tho
Exactly.
They are already competing in a small market due to the viper's expensive price point. They further limit themselves by only offering a manual trans when 95% of the population doesn't even drive stick.
>viper's expensive price point
Not when you consider it's brand image and performance.
>They further limit themselves by only offering a manual trans when 95% of the population doesn't even drive stick.
The only somewhat comparable car (Corvette) floats between 20 and 40% manuals sold. That basically means FCA could be selling between 2.5 and 5 times as many Viper then they can right now with the stick-only.
>Viper could actually work
But it can't compete with the god damn Corvette Z06. Anyone looking to buy an american made car at that price range is going to buy a Z06. Viper was discontinued because no one bought it. If and when Dodge ever brings back the Viper, they need to make some adjustments to the cars but also invest heavily into marketing it. Car X can be better than car Y, but if you don't do proper marketing it won't matter.
Sick Endo bro
>literally admits ford wasn't bailed out
thx
Reading isn't your strong suit is it?
"Ford did receive $5.9 billion in government loans in 2009 to retool its manufacturing plants"
>getting a loan is the same thing as being bailed out
Considering the bailout was paid back, like a loan, yes it is.
What bailout? Ford wasn't bailed out. Are you retarded?
Goddamn, make sure you wear your helmet on the way to school. Wouldn't want to cause any more damage to that special brain of yours.
Oh, so you were just fishing for (you)s . lol, carry on
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Ford has been hyping the ever living fuck out of their performance cars this year and I'm not convinced that the whole applying for a GT so they can decide if you deserve it, saying you pay a 50% deposit before releasing a price for the car etc thing isn't all false bullshit to make it seem more special than it is.
Slower than European super cars, not advanced enough to compete with the Japanese so better make it exclusive and remind people of racing success that happened half a century ago.
Irrelevant. Viper, GT, Corvette, etc account for less than 1% of sales. Pickup trucks and SUVs are what makes or breaks a manufacturer.
*remind everyone of the racing success that happened 6 months ago
sorry, made a mistake in my post
carry on
>slower than European supercars
[citation needed]
>not advanced enough to compete with the Japanese
[citation needed]
Less power then a 488 or 675LT, with similar weight. So not even close to LaF/918/P1.
[citation needed]
Not him, but
>horsepowerkings.com
>630hp
>2900lbs
So 4.6lbs/hp. Please ignore the claim that that's the best power to weight ratio ever, because:
>Ferrari 488: 4.85 lbs/hp
>675LT: 4.3lbs/hp
>918: 4.16 lbs/hp
>Laf: 3.68 lbs/hp
>P1: 3.63lbs/hp
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>horsepower kings
the same website that claimed the z06 set a sub 7 minute ring time? only to be later disproved by gm themselves? Riiiiiight.
Holy fuck how retarded are you?
>horsepower kings as a source
lol
Alrighty then, let's put it this way. Ford claims a ''projected 600+ hp'' on their website. Let's assume that means 699 - because if it was 700, they'd advertise it as 700, not 600.
To have a power:weight ratio anywhere near the top end of the spectrum (P1), it'd have to weigh less than 2600lbs. Any less horsepower, and any more weight, and it'd have a hell of a time competing.
You mean P3, right?
FCA's fucked mate. It's literally the worst auto group on the planet right now. Thinking that, Mitsubishi's at least greater than them. Whatever they own are shit in everyway.
>Fiat, Chrysler, Dodge, IDK some more.
Unreliable pieces of shit that got past the QC when the QC guy was sleeping.
>Ferrari
The company that never lets a potential company, Maserati come up.
The company that constantly fucks up their customer network and gets butt hurt when people modify their cars.
It's Windows XP doing an endo.
Marketing was never the issue with the Viper. It has exposure. Everyone knows what it is and that's why they don't buy it. A ruthless, standard V10 with little to no comfort options isn't going to sell widely anymore.
The Corvette became a plush, overweight talking point. It abandoned its roots so that it could do volume sales.