GM not BTFO

>please believe our fake lap times
>C7R
>oil leak
>overheating tweet
>paid lap times
>corvette vs gtr nismo willow springs.png

Did I miss anything?

Why would I get a camaro when BMW costs the same?

I wish it didn't look awkward from the side and rear quarter.

>M4 GTS
>135k
>semi slicks, park bench wing, DCT, water injection, carbon fiber, no rear seats, alcantara apocalypse, splitter can't clear a speed bump or a curb
>1:37.66 on Laguna

>SS 1LE
>45k
>street tires, ducktail spoiler, a 6 speed manual, can be DD'd
>1:37.77

BMW offers a great value proposition!

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Why would anyone buy this over a Stingray Grand Sport?

It's amazing how fucking terrible the M4 GTS turned out. It's a massive disappointment in every measure.
It costs as much as a fucking 911 GT3 RS, more than an AMG GTS. More than a top-spec GT-R, much more than a Z07 package Corvette.
And yet it loses to just about all of them.

Autoblog also claimed the LT4 was better in the zl1 than the z06

gm is a fucking madman, the value and performance for this 60k camaro is simply bonkers

>now with 30% shorter windows

I noticed the camaro LT4 is a wet sump, compared to the dry sump LT4 in the corvette.

And tb h, GM probably saw the problems in the corvette and fixed them for the camaro.

>"Plus, the manual’s taller gearing allows the ZL1 to hit 61 mph in first gear"

You can get a ticket in an urban enviroment, without ever leaving first gear.

mph in 1st gear

Literal benchracing. They just did that for a better 0-60 time.

how is that bench racing? they achieved a better 0-60 through a good mean. shorter gearing would mean more shifts required and in a 650/650 rwd car that would prove absolutely brutal to achieve without extra accessories

It's like they expect everyone to ignore how immensely ugly it is

that's subjective though

i think it looks good

It's crazy how much of a difference the color makes. The ZL1 in Nightfall Grey with black wheels is one of the most aesthetically pleasing cars I've seen. Other colors, not so much.
>tfw the ZL1 that arrived at my dealership sold in literally 10 minutes
>it wasn't even Nightfall Grey
Pain bros. I want it.

Posts pics of color

I can see what you mean. The Ford GT looks like shit in black but stunning in white, for example

why does every new car have such disgustingly oversized grille designs

...

Looks like every boy racers wet dream

you called?

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>american fat tissue cars
no thanks

I think it looks cool.

Ayy. A zl1 in the nightfall grey is my desktop background

What an ugly weld

>inb4 ford releases the 800 hp gt500 on January 10th rendering the zl1 obsolete yet again
lmfao

dis gonna be gud

>Mustang with 800HP

The ultimate in crowd control

>not realizing its going to be awd
lol

gm won't recover from this

Between the Gt500 and GT i'm going to have tons of content to torture gm fans

>Between the Gt500 and GT i'm going to have tons of content to torture gm fans

We'll see if ford can even get them to start first.

hi taxi

still mad?

holy fuck I've only MIG welded maybe a dozen times total but I can produce better welds than that.

wow it actually took 37 posts for this shit to start

gm fags getting triggered

if only that lower grill was different it would be perfect

It has to be fuckhuge to not run into the same cooling problems they did with the Z06.

Id rather have a GTR

>manual is only 6 gears

is it faster than a civic now?

only? thats standard for many manual cars, 5 or 6 speed manuals have been used for decades

I know companies that will fire you on the spot for a weld even half that bad.

>it's been used for decades

not an argument

there are sports cars with 8 speed gearboxes and obvious scientific reasons why more gears is better

5 speed is superior

6th is only for highway cruise in that car anyway.

Fuck off faggot

>not an argument
what do you mean its not an argument? Why are you saying its ONLY 6 gears, how many other cars out there have more than 6 gears in their manual transmission? Shit the distance between gears on the shifter must be super close to try and accommodate that many gears

>there are tons of cars with 8 gear boxes
sure but are they manual like you're trying to juxtipose? Most of other GM's cars are 6 speeds, more gears is not inherently better as you lose time shifting which is the primary argument against them

>there are sports cars with 8 speed gearboxes and obvious scientific reasons why more gears is better
because they are fuel guzzling pieces of shit and stupid amount of overdrive gears is the only way it will meet epa standards?

>muh 8 gears
>literally over ten seconds slower to accelerate a mere 30mph in top gear compared to 6 speed cars
>doesnt even have higher top speed
>doesnt even have better highway mpg
roflmao what is the fucking point of more than 6 gears. there is none. the fastest car ever at the nurburgring has 5 gears lol

>more gears is not inherently better as you lose time shifting which is the primary argument against them

why would they make the gear ratios smaller? the idea is to add more gears at the end, for top speed and fuel economy

>>there are sports cars with 8 speed gearboxes and obvious scientific reasons why more gears is better
>because they are fuel guzzling pieces of shit and stupid amount of overdrive gears is the only way it will meet epa standards?

well you're not wrong, but overdrive gears are great for fuel economy

i was only trolling anyway, i didn't expect to get this many (You)'s

>why would they make the gear ratios smaller? the idea is to add more gears at the end, for top speed and fuel economy
except see its not faster, its not better MPG and it doesn't have a higher top speed.

More gears aren't inherently better. Hell they put 9 gear trannies in dinky fiat 500's because they produce so LITTLE power and torque they need the super short gears just to get enough torque to operate or climb a hill

>german engineering

>9 gear trannies in dinky fiat 500
and the top gear isn't even overdrive so they fucked that one up too

k

it actually is 135k

that's 911 turbo territory

lmao

But the 500 is all about raw power and the 350 is about tracking.

The M4 GTS gets similar lap times as the 911 GT3 in comparison tests
youtube.com/watch?v=747AMRlSmLQ&app=desktop
Murrican reviews are just biased shit

Niggers