>A top-secret CIA report stated that the massacres "rank as one of the worst mass murders of the 20th century, along with the Soviet purges of the 1930s, the Nazi mass murders during the Second World War, and the Maoist bloodbath of the early 1950s."
en.m.wikipedia.org
How did they get away with this?
Because they are still in power.
Because no one cares.
By being on our side. Atrocities are only ever committed by our enemies user. Our friends have unfortunate policies we try to influence over time through diplomacy.
>we were always at war with Eurasia
Imagine 1984 minus the telescreen.
>Children is constantly educated by the idea that commies are evil assholes that try to take over the country
>"Big Brother" A.K.A president Soeharto is still viewed with admiration as the saviour even to this day
>The concept of doublethink, where most Indonesian think that the West in particular America through CIA, are bad, while at the same they believed cooperation with them is ok to eliminate the commies.
>Any other form of history or questioning will end in being vaporized
The west generally cares much less about brown people as it pretends to.
Not that we should have an obligation to, but it just shows how you cant just make a worldpolice to prevent such stuff always and condemn it accordingly as everyone is biased towards his interests or tribe.
Killing people is preferably to let the commies take the power, deal with it.
giving Muslims the green light to slaughter Christians
rightists everyone
communism in Indonesia would have resulted in far more deaths
Because it was an anti-commie purge and the anti-commies won the Cold War.
Notice how all the "worst mass murders" it's compared to were perpetrated by enemies of the west. The Soviets. The communist Chinese. The Nazis. Our history remembers these murders so vividly because it is our enemies who committed them.
Our collective memory has no room for the injustices perpetrated by our friends, by the victors, by us. No one talks about the genocide of white French that lived in Haiti. No one talks about the genocide of the Ainu by Japan. And only recently has the US decided the Armenian Genocide is now something worth commenting on, now that Turkey has decided to align itself more closely with Russia.
Letting someone "get away" with something is ultimately a political move. It's all political, that's what you have to understand. If acknowledging a genocide, or a famine, or a war is politically inconvenient, then we may as well just forget it ever happened. That's the mindset our society runs on.
And really, it's more convenient that way, isn't it? It's easier to imagine we live in a wonderful country with just leaders and a working system of checks and balances. It's nice to think that we're not like all those other countries that slaughtered innocents, because we stand against that sort of thing. We're the good guys. It's more comfortable to think like that, isn't it?
Anyone with any knowledge of history knows that isn't true. But just don't look at the picture and you can keep up the illusion. We're the good guys, user. We were always the good guys, we don't attack civilians. We are peaceful people. War is peace.
Except it didn't in the two decades that the 'socialist' nemesis Sukarno was president and it ended with belligerent rightists taking power through subversion and murder.
>muslim
>christian
what the fuck are you on about you dumb shit? this has absolutely nothing to do with religion. hindus slaughtered the commies in bali. christians slaughtered them too in timor. not to mention many of the communist were also muslim
educate yourself
en.wikipedia.org
itt butthurt indon commies
>a few Christians from entrepreneurial families took part in slaughtering the populist majority, as always.
ftfy
commies are bad because they kill people, mkay
let's kill people lest they become commies
Look at that simian ape, now look at this refined gentleman.
can't stop the butthurt
rightists are you even trying
...
Because the commies were attempting to overthrow the government and the 'killers' were acting in defense of their nation.
Best post
> Soviet purges of the 1930s
Forgot killing saboteurs and treasonous people was bad
Goes to show you rightists can't prove your point without resorting to chimping out.
>be commie
>destroy culture
>destroy the whole city and villages
kill everyone who disagree
>"muh revolution"
>rightist restore order
>hurr how dare they
>muhhhh revolutuonnnnnn
You don't see the inherent illogic of your position, do you??
>the happy crowd seeing a person being tortured
holy shit
>be rightist
>destroy country
>destroy the whole city and villages
kill everyone who disagree
>"muh revolution"
>leftist attempt to save the nation
>hurr how dare they
>muhhhh purge
No they weren't.
The murderers supported the existing government.
That's not "good" at all. Defending an authoritarian dictator is NOT defending your "nation".
which part of rightist indonesian really destroy the country? if anything they just preserve the status quo.
at least rightist dont kill people just because people are religious or rich or have many land, i mean its indon here, traditionally some people are more priveledged and wealthier, what do you expect?
>>destroy culture
>>destroy the whole city and villages
Examples PLEASE
>Mfw realizing indons are taking part in Veeky Forums
B R A V O
my grandpa was in pic related, the contemplative looking guy second from right
>Hey Muchlis you want to see the execution today?
>Who got executed?
>It's Ahmad, you know, my commie neighbour
>Lmao that's cool, i'm bringing the kids
>at least rightist dont kill people just because people are religious or rich or have many land
Dude..........Do you even know what this thread is about?
me on the right
(you) on the left
id.m.wikipedia.org
the whole malay monarchs, clans, and rich traders of north sumatera was massacred by poor commie migrants from poorer islands.
all of the palaces, mosques and urban citycenters are mostly destroyed, except the ones held by siak sri indraura
most indon history wouldn't tell you this but this is why malaysia refuse to join us and many malays hate us
The only thing about this film that makes me puzzled is why Indonesian-Chinese are such goddamn pushovers.
Here in the Philippines, we pretty much run the show and can be violent as fuck. Hell we're not the fucking communists here, native pinoys tend to be.
Damn, wonderfully put.
most of chink migrant to indonesia was poor southern chinese trying to flee the shitshow that was the late qing empire. they do honest work, converted to islam and married the locals,participated in the independence movement just to be accepted by us. theyve been here for so long that it was unthinkable for them to think that the locals were going to genocide them, hell even now after all the shit they went through they still identifies as indonesian, even when the PRC allowed them to return to china they choose to stick with us.
It seems to me rightists are descendants of the barbarous head hunter tribes of Borneo.
indon chinks are based
and yes im one of their descendant killed by commies
gay
Mohamed Christ they surely messed up by not finishing the job then.
I'm not Indonesian, I'm American and white...
suharto finish the job
>authoritarian dictator
it's almost like you know nothing about the subject
Venezuelan here, because with commies the only way is to kill them off before they take over and ruin everything forever. They'll whine about muh human rights muh activists until they can put you in a death camp.
Good job Indonesia, and notice how ITT its all Indonesians defending the salvation of their nation and butthurt western leftists crying about muh poor commies who dindu nuffin. Seriously commies more than denonstrated what they would do in Southeast Asia, see Pol Pot, Vietnam, etc.
And wow imagine that, non-commie SEA (Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore) is somehow far better off than the commie parts (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos).
>And wow imagine that, non-commie SEA (Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore) is somehow far better off than the commie parts (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos).
Wrong. Vietnam is actually better off than many SOutheast Asian countries.
In addition to NOT EXPORTING FUCKING TERRORISTS.
Whats with people being so chill about your neighbour being murdered for having a different ideology?
kek
Is Venezuala communist dictator or something?
they're not even in the top 5 in ASEAN by any categories
>better off
you mean since they become capitalist?
But Viets live in a stable country and the disparity is greater in Mudshit countries compared to Vietnam.
And again, this bears repeating: NO. FUCKING. ALLAHU AKBAR. TERRORISTS.
>defending himself with the opinion of a naive child.
Hows your large "opposition" march going.
Lol then have you actually been there or talked to a Vietnamese ever? There's a reason they move to Malaysia and Thailand en masse, luckily their government realizes communism was a gigantic mistake that held back their development for a good 2 decades and they're pulling a China style capitalist restoration as the old ideological faggots have been dying off.
And terrorists well that's because of being a Muslim country but that's another conversation entirely. Certainly in the 60s it was the commies who were the terrorists though.
Because in that time, they noticed that in their neighboring countries commies were starting civil wars and killing tons of normies, so better preemptively stop them.
Malaysia, Philippines, VN, Cambodia, Laos, ALL had to deal with civil wars started by commie scum and the Indos of the time didn't wanna deal with that, kill them before they start their autistic "revolution" and millions more die. Don't tell me the Indonesian Commies were the ones who would have been chill, gentle little angels unlike all the other commies in SEA who started wars in their own nations at that time. They wuz good bois who woulda neva hurt no one, right?
no even the most stable nor the least disparity
ironically the most economically socialist and the "all given by government" country in asean is brunei which is islamic
vietnam is only communist and socialist by name nowadays
I've abandoned all hope and live in Korea now actually (yet ANOTHER example of communist created misery vs 1st world ROK). I've been to several parts of SEA and as always the commie parts are far worse off. As in my country. As in everywhere else those filthy autists and their "revolutions" have won, to the detriment of humanity.
kinda makes sense on what you said,but seeing your neighbour getting choked slowly and beaten to death must be a really hard thing to see.
I mean they must have demonized the shit out of those people tbqh.Like satan tier hatred towards those guys to do something like that and having a cheer from the crowd
>using anecdotal evidence
Also, building highrises and skyscrapers doesn't make your country great, you'd think that you of all people would know that.
Anecdotal but whatever, the fact is Viets and Cambodians move to Thailand and Malaysia to be wage slaves, never the other way around.
Exactly mental retards falling for the corporate news rhetoric think that promoting neoliberalism is gonna make their country great again. Truth is it only works with drudges at the bottom of the barrel and if you're any where south of the 23rd parallel you're it.
That's because the policies communist countries promote don't encourage that type of exploitation for cheap labor, they are primarily concerned with meeting their own needs first, unlike the west at the moment and poor neoliberal countries and banana republics . Cambodia and Vietnam may only be nominally communist anyway.
Confirmed for never having set foot in a several thousand mile radius of Vietnam or spoken to a real Vietnamese before.
>Vietnam is like capitalist China
>Vietnam is communist
pick one
Real Vietnamese of which there are many here in the States are probably like all the expats from communist lands (China, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran (not communist) with lots of horror stories about the communists to tell on our mainstream news to encourage public support for sanctions and military intervention and general antagonism towards those countries as part of a larger plot to keep the masses subservient to the global military industrial complex, a bunch of mad entrepreneurs that didn't want to pay their taxes.
MY GOD THE STEEL CHAIR
Lay off the crack pipe moron
I'm trying to find Vince McMahon in the crowd
That's not how you spell cronyist media.
>it's only the media who say communist countries are shit trust me
Fuck off cuckold.
t. born in a communist country
and buttmad oligarchs.
If you ever go to Vietnam you are likely to encounter the scene where a guy is selling Coca-Cola on a streetcorner while a Hammer and Sickle flag announcing the next five-year plan is waving behind him.
vietnam and china aren't isolated, just ask them on /int/ /asean/, most of them are careless about or even hate communism
You get brainwashed from birth that the commies are devil incarnates. I still remember how every 30 September everyone watches Suharto propaganda about how he saved Indonesia by killing all the commies. I hope he burns in hell now, without him we could've been a first world nation under Sukarno
t. Indon
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sleep tight hartie
Sorry, but as good as glorious leader Soekarno was, even he was just one man slightly more competent than the other.
Indonesia was still a young nation, caught with feodalism which still continue to this day. The various ideologies, and external power play will eventually halt it's growth anyway.
Damn... motherfucker rest peaceful af
Sleep tight hartie
Americans basically forced the Dutch to give independence, who were trying their best build a state (which they did neglect until the early 1900s). Americans couldnt go back and interfere after that.
M8 we were robbing the Soviets blind. We were the strongest nation in SEA with the latest ruskie jets and ships. They built us the largest stadium in Asia and numerous other infrastructure projects. But Hartie and his CIA buddies come and fucked everything up. Man, we could've been China by industrialising first
Good ol' days brother
Tread gently boy, you never know who's gonna come through that door
>Inb4 commie hunter and 'Muh Pancasila' enforcer knocking
>Implying brainwashed Arab brutes can understand English
better dead than red
Did your CIA handlers not let you include the rest of the post OP?
>the existence of extensive contacts between anti-communist army officers and the US military establishment (including the training of over 1,200 officers, "including senior military figures," by the US military, and also providing weapons and economic assistance[7][8]), the CIA denies active involvement in the killings. It was later revealed that the American government provided extensive lists of communists to Indonesian death squads.[9][10][11][12][13]
>extensive contacts between anti-communist army officers and the US military establishment
> the training of over 1,200 officers, "including senior military figures," by the US military, and also providing weapons and economic assistance[7][8
>It was later revealed that the American government provided extensive lists of communists to Indonesian death squads.[9][10][11][12][13]
Indonesian Massacre
Made in the USA!
samefag
>How did they get away with this?
The CIA
Muh Domino Theory bullshit
>God forbid commies so let's enable genocide
Surprised to see so many fellow indon fags. What brings you guys here?
My mother has been to Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam, and she said Malaysia and the muslim parts of Thailand were a shitshow compared to Thailand proper and Vietnam. I havent been to Malaysia or muslim-neighbourhoods in Thailand, but my observations about muslim neighburhoods in Sweden and the Netherlands are the same as hers.
>Be me
>Random Indon fag with interest of learning Western history, philosophy and shitpost
>See a post about Indon
>Muh Nationalism
>Shitposting to defend the honor of glorious leader Soekarno and make fun of good ol' Big-H
muslim part of thailand is literally a warzone so of course
thailand and vietnam has much more culture compared to malaysia so it might be appealing to westerners. but if you're comparing wealth, infrastructure, and modernity malaysia beat all SEA except singapore
I've spent several months in Vietnam and I'm martried to a Vietnamese girl straight from the mother country, and here's what I've gathered about Vietnam:
They are generaly not hurting, though the common man lives in a small house/apartment and work long hours for little money (that is true for most of asia). Their concerns are not affording food and such (they aren't generally that poor), but affording a good education first and foremost, and affording to take care of their parents when they age because of no social care from the government (no pension and so on). They hate China with a passion.
Anyway, they don't seem immediately worse off than the Thais ()the thais outside of Bangkok, that is).
Everyone in Viet and other part of SEA hate mainland chinks are they? Not that i can blame them.
desu i lost it
The Chinese keep fucking with them, at the political level (military attack on Vietnam in the 70's, and currently the Spratly Islands where they are claiming some Islands that are like RIGHT NEXT TO the Phillipines and Vietnam), and on the individual level as well (kidnapping raids for sex-slaves near the north border, exporting cancer-inducing food- and other products).
In the city mueseum in HCMC there is a whole wing now dedicated to old maps of China where the Spratly islands are not part of China. Pretty funny stuff.
Because capitalist crimes are always down-played
even asian hate mainlanders, even non mailander chinese
Nope, this is wrong.
It's somewhat reasonable to oppose communist organization on the grounds that repression and murder could ensue, but if you use repression and murder to stifle this organization, you prove that you don't care about ethics -- you care about keeping the working class in an oppressive situation and preserving the power of the elite.
Singapore chink here, yes mainlanders deserved to be nuked
i hope we would be able kill all of our retarded fanatical commies here and end muh revolutin based on an obsolete ideology
Right wing Westerners adore Islamism when it's not in the West.
Heidegger, Carlye, and Hitler all loved the violent tendencies of Islam, and believed most Europeans were too pacifistic.
All throughout the Cold War, Western powers backed Islamist regimes that opposed leftist movements.