WWIII

Gee, I don't know, was it the 16 million tons of shipping? The dozens of capital ships? The 130,000 aircraft they built? (More than Germany, btw) The roughly 8 million men they had under arms?

You can say they didn't do as much as either the U.S. or the Soviets and I'd be the first to agree, but saying they weren't a major power is just stupid.

This. Britain was waning (and fell off after the war after the Empire broke up) but it (combined with the Commonwealth/Empire) was still a major power going in to 1939 and played a major role in Europe, Africa, and the Asia-Pacific, not to mention the air and sea wars.

All those old men were trained in combat. Of course the volksstrum was the bottom of the barrel as is every militia, but if they were mixed in with Wehrmacht units, they held out quite well.

BY THAT POINT, THE WAR WAS A STRUGGLE FOR NATIONAL SURVIVAL; IT WAS THE DUTY OF ANY INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN TO FIGHT IN TOTAL WAR FOR ITS FOLK; FOR WHAT OTHER PURPOSE WOULD THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL LIVES IF NOT TO USE THEM IN BATTLE AGAINST THE ENEMY, ESPECIALLY AT A TIME LIKE THAT?

THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF A NATION IS TO FORM A MILITARY TO FIGHT FOR THE FOLK; IF THE INDIVIDUALS CONSTITUTING THE NATION DO NOT FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN FOLK WHY ARE THEY EVEN ALIVE?

YOU DO NOT COMPREHEND THIS, AND NEVER WILL, BECAUSE YOU LACK THE ETHICOMORAL CONSTITUTION, AND THE AFFECTIVE SENSIBILITY, NECESSARY TO DO SO.

Also remember this would have been in fucking 1945.

But this was a war the Germans started.

Hitler and his ideology could not accept Germany facing defeat again. The first time he admitted the war was lost was 2 weeks before it ended. For most of the Battle of Berlin he was hoping non-existent divisions would launch a counter-attack and somehow drive off the Soviets, whose army was ridiculously large at that point.

>BY THAT POINT, THE WAR WAS A STRUGGLE FOR NATIONAL SURVIVAL; IT WAS THE DUTY OF ANY INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN TO FIGHT IN TOTAL WAR FOR ITS FOLK; FOR WHAT OTHER PURPOSE WOULD THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL LIVES IF NOT TO USE THEM IN BATTLE AGAINST THE ENEMY, ESPECIALLY AT A TIME LIKE THAT?

Except of course, that the best course for "national survival" would be to surrender ASAP, preferably to the Western Allies, or the U.S. in specific. There was no stopping the tide once things were desperate enough to call up the Volkstrum, and the longer and bloodier you make it on them, the more likely they are to in fact dissolve your nation as a political entity.

1. GERMANY DID NOT START THE WAR; LEARN BASIC HISTORY; THE WAR WAS STARTED BY BRITAIN, POLAND, AND THE INTERNATIONAL ZIONIST FORCES.

2. WHO STARTED THE WAR IS IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.

SURRENDER ENTAILS LOSS OF HONOUR, AND DIGNITY; IT IS BETTER TO DIE FIGHTING THAN TO LIVE IN DEFEAT.

What if the ones getting defeated are Politicians whose goals really are detached from my own life?

Managed to do a 180 in 2 posts. I'm kind of impressed in how amazing the levels of doublethink are.

How many generations of incest went into making you?

>Tripfag
>posting with caps-lock on
>adding nothing valuable to the discussion
>Can't even differentiate between the German "Volk" and "Folk", the genre of music

Don't expect anyone to take you seriously fampai

Lovely. Please describe how the Zionist influence forced Germany to invade 10 countries in "self-defense"

Can someone please just ban this guy

because that gang raping wasn't going to get done by itself

1. THAT QUOTE SHOULD BE TAKEN AMBIVALENTLY SINCE THAT WAS SAID DURING THE SHAM TRIAL, UNDER PSYCHOLOGICAL AND PHYSICAL STRESS, AND UNDER PRESSURE TO DISASSOCIATE HIMSELF AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM ANY RESPONSIBILITY.

2. THEN YOU ARE IN A GREATER AND MORE COMPLEX NATIONAL PROBLEM, NOT IN A LESSER AND SIMPLER ONE; YOU OUGHT TO HAVE REMOVED THE CORRUPT REGIME BEFORE IT HAD GOT YOUR NATION IN AN ILLEGITIMATE WAR; YOUR NATION WOULD BE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE OF SOCIOPOLITICALLY APATHETIC PERSONS LIKE YOU, LACKING NATIONAL, AND FOLKIC, SENSIBILITY.

THAT WAS NOT THE CASE IN THIRD REICH GERMANY.

relax, he is kind of like WEWUZ types in that his beliefs are insane enough not to take seriously

>>Can't even differentiate between the German "Volk" and "Folk", the genre of music

"Volk" is just German for "folk", and the music genre "folk" is called that because it has its roots and thematic substance in the "folk"/the people. Are you retarded?

It's tough being a self hating Israeli Jew.

He's Jewish?

???

Yeah. It's why he has so much trouble grasping upper and lower case letters, his original language is one where they don't have that distinction.

>WWIII

When it came to using rock and spear throwers as cannon fodder why didn't the paleolithic humans just try toget along with the sabre-toothed cats?

Their tribes were slaughtered, their chiefdom was in crumbles, what were they holding out for?

I mean were they literally insane?

Hitler was fully aware that the war was lost in 44 and at that point he just wanted to cause as much damage as possible. He was a little crybaby and told Speer to destroy every factory and house and leave nothing for the enemy. Luckily Speer wasn't quite as retarded as Hitler and didn't follow through.

Why do you argue for so many contradicting sides?

I AM NEITHER JEWISH, NOR ISRAELI; THAT POSTER IS JUST FOLLOWING ME AROUND THE SITE POSTING THAT I AM JEWISH IN AN INSIDIOUS PETTY ATTEMPT TO DISTRACT FROM MY ACTUAL POSTS; IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF HE/SHE WERE JEWISH HIMSELF/HERSELF.

HOW AM I CONTRADICTING MYSELF, ACCORDING TO YOU?

plz no, this shit is hilarious

All Germans wouldn't have been killed off if they surrendered. Also no Nero decree among early tribes.

Actual answer:

The Soviets would have pillaged and raped Germany for as long as they pleased upon taking Berlin, stopping only once the other Allies got sick of it. The whole thing about the war becoming one for the sheer survival of Germany as they knew it was true.

Hitler was pretty much insane. He was holding out for a miracle and still believed that his broken and scattered forces could somehow hold out against both the Soviets and the Americans. It got so bad that several of his battalions simply surrendered, even under threat of death.

By the time the Soviets were upon Berlin, Hitler was dead and the only people fighting were fanatics or people scared that the few remaining German soldiers would shoot them if they surrendered or fled. Everyone, regardless of age, was forced to fight.

To be fair, by 42/43 America and Britain both stated that under no circumstances would they accept anything less then unconditional surrender, evn when they were getting word that the Junkers were forming plots against the Nazis in exchange for ending the war, and that piled on with things such as 'Germany must Perish' and the Morgenthau Plan was enough to convince every German that they had only one option and that was to fight on and place faith in Hitler.

The Allies were really their own worst enemies when it came to drawing the war out. They talked shit too publicly, to a point where Goebbels didn't even have to tel a lie to motivate the country. All he had to do was let them listen to what they were saying.

Once again, what makes you think the Soviets would accept their terms of surrender, when they could just continue with the invasion as planned?

>why didn't Hitler just sue for peace?
He actually did seek peace as early as 1941, read about Hess. Thank the stupid ass Anglos and their 'muh balance of powers politic for the 30 million deaths that were yet to come.

What are you on about?
I don't say I think the Soviets would have accepted their terms to surrender, just that comparing an event where surrender would have lead to the death of humanity ((Where Humanity was defending)) isn't comparable to an event where the Germans were going to get occupied ((Where the Germans were the one attacking))
Hitler himself didn't care about the German's prosperity anyway, he thought they were weak.

To be honest, I doubt that Hitler was fully aware of his environment, as the war neared its end. At the end he was drafting orders for divisions that only existed on paper.

I recall a video claiming he was hoping to replicate the Miracle of the House of Brandenburg.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg

>implying German treaties were worth the paper they were printed on
When you stab literally everyone you ever signed a treaty with in the back, you lose the right to complain about them not wanting to cut deals with you.

He's right though.

The Germans attempted to form a treaty with the UK early on.

>B-b-but they betrayed the Soviets!

The Soviets were a threat to Germany. The UK wasn't until they started getting American aid.

This.
Also the most fuckes up thing is that the western allies KNEW what shit was going on in the east. If they had allowed a modest peace and/or helped the old aristocrats to overthrow the Nazis there would have been MILLIONS of lives saved and also not half of Europe under Stalin.
The Anglos did this because they wanted to weaken Russia without wasting their own soldiers and to come off more powerful than the others.
>jokes on the British Anglos getting Anglo'd about their empire by the younger Anglos

Not him, but before they betrayed the Soviets, the Danes, the French, the Czechs, and the British themselves. Why the hell would Churchill put any faith in Herr Hitler's promises?

>The Soviets were a threat to Germany

Yeah, that's why they sold the Germans so much oil, grain, and trained their tank crews!

They betrayed the*

Was it a treaty similar to the Munich one??

Germany was unable to communicate with other human beings? Are you really that retarded?

How does that invalidate them being a threat? Because of some exports?

Saudi Arabia is a threat to stability in the Middle-East, yet they sell oil to everyone.

>How does that invalidate them being a threat? Because of some exports?

Because German re-armament, and the training of the Heer, was only possible with Soviet assistance. A lot of their early campaigning was only possible with Soviet oil. Without Soviet grain, they'd be starving. If the Soviets were a threat to Germany, why would they ever have allowed Germany to get as far as they did?

When I said they betrayed everyone, I mean *everyone*. Even the Axis powers found themselves invaded and had a German puppet government installed when they tried to broker a separate peace with the Allies.

What makes you think a hypothetical peace with Britain wouldn't last just as long as it took Hitler to build up his forces enough to successfully mount an invasion?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm

>Heidegger was one of these guys

Holy shit I didn't know that.

Germans and Brits are so close ethnically that it seems highly unlikely.

>trying to communicate with rabid blood crazed Bolsheviks
Probably have better results negotiating with the saber tooth cats desu.

>Germans and Brits are so close ethnically that it seems highly unlikely.
You mean like how the Danes and the Dutch were so close ethnically?

>Close ethnically
You mean as in Culture or as in genes?
And culture have never stopped people from waging war as each other before that, like with Sweden and Denmark who practically speak the same language and had the same religion but who still are near the top at the list of "Nations who waged the most wars at each other"

*so close ethnically with the Germans, I mean.

Not to forget that the Germans are hardly Human themselves.

Also not forget Norway and Luxemburg.

>This dense

What I'm saying is that Hitler generally had some race or political reason for invading a country. Poland had a lot of Jews, Soviets were commies, etc.

.>if the Soviets were a threat to Germany, why would they ever have allowed Germany to get as far as they did?

Because the end goal was to bring the Nazis under the Soviet sphere of influence by increasing their economic dependency.

>Poland had a lot of Jews,
Hitler didn't attack them because they had a lot of Jews, He attacked them because he thought Poland was an illegal state that owned land that really should belong to Germany whatever the people that actually lived there thought about the matter.

Uh huh. And what were his reasons for invading the Netherlands and Denmark, again? And for partitioning the rest of Czechoslovakia after Munich?

True, but that only illustrates my point further. The only anti-Germany thing Britain did was fighting in WW1.

>Because the end goal was to bring the Nazis under the Soviet sphere of influence by increasing their economic dependency.

[citation needed]

It seems awfully shortsigthed of them to do so, not to mention that Germany is far more pliable if they're in a military position of vast inferiority, which is something Stalin certainly operated by.

Two questions, do you believe in the gangster computer god?
and
Why do you love the Nazis so much if you are so genetically fucked that your brain has the shape and mental capability of a pear?

They also had their royal dynasty change their name because it was sounding to Germany.

>Why do you love the Nazis so much if you are so genetically fucked that your brain has the shape and mental capability of a pear?

One would think this answers itself. Because of his mental defects, he approves of the Nazis, as he lacks the capability to understand why their actions were harmful to all concerned, especially people like himself.

Not true. Hitler attacked the jews because he wanted Danzig and the corridor. Had they surrendered Danzig and agreed on a combined attack at the Soviet Union they had not lost 10 million people. But instead of forming a bond with their natural ally (neighbour, anti communist) they trusted the Anglo and paid the price.

Hitler never valued human life, including his own. You look at that and say, why not just admit you lost, because you're a reasonable (distinct from sane/insane person) who doesn't put his ego in front of millions of human lives.

Hitler absolutely put his Ego in front of all those old people.

>Can't even differentiate between the German "Volk" and "Folk", the genre of music
I would die for my Folk.

>Huns worried about sounding like Germans
Lol.

>if they hadn't rolled over and given us their territory, we wouldn't have been forced to kill them!
>When you think about it, the destruction of Warsaw is entirely Poland's fault
m8

He could only unconditionally surrender and not sue for anything. The United Nations already formulated they would only accept unconditional surrender and nothing else in 1943.

>THE WAR WAS A STRUGGLE FOR NATIONAL SURVIVAL
Huh, seems like they lost the war and Germany is still around fancy that?

If Hitler had kept his forces in Germany, it's very unlikely that war would have broken out. Britain was doing everything possible to avoid war, up until Germany invaded Poland which was the last straw.

He knew that if he surrendered they would destroy his military might, his power and would stop his Aryan Lebensraum he wanted so much.

> The United Nations

You mean the Allies. The UN didn't exist then.

He (Goering) is right. Every country from Capitalist to Communist does the same trick. You can't reasonably take the Hugh ground here.

He said the Soviets were a threat to Germany, not Germany a threat to the Soviets.

The Brits fought off the italians and germans in the middle east. Had the Axis succeeded there, no doubt an Allied victory would end up looking a lot more difficult to achieve.

The brits provided the allies with the biggest fleet and essentially controlled shipping all around the globe.

The brits had the most advanced airforce, at least at the start of the war. It could easily rival and probably surpass the Luftwaffe.

The brits fought the nips on the Asiatic mainland, together with the chinese. Something the US never really bothered to do.

I can see various reasons why the British should be considered equal to the others and in my mind, the British were the driving force behind the allies.

It's Volk, not folk.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_by_United_Nations

Do you really think Hitler would have gone along with what Hess did? Or rather a better question to ask is why the fuck did Hess do that thinking it was going to work?

Volkssturm did not hold out well but please feel free to provide evidence.

3/115 Siemensstadt Battalion3/115 Siemensstadt Battalion for instance. As I said which clearly you misunderstood, was that when Volksstrum units were placed under direct command of regular Heer units or broken up and mixed into the same unit, Volksstrum fighters could hold their own all things considered. If left alone of course they would think about their own necks first and would flee or if fighting Western Armies, surrender.

Like I said, there wasn't much too them, but they weren't just civilians given an armband and a panzerfaust and told to fight. The old men had mandatory military service and the young boys spent most of their education being taught to be good soldiers for the Reich.

>mental condition
lol, psychology is literally a meme

>What makes you think the Soviet Union would settle for "peace" with their enemies when they were in the position to destroy them out right?
I don't think you really understand what a "sue for peace" entails

>what is evident dysfunction
Dude was batshit, neurotic and bitchy when he wasn't a psychopathic asshole.

So the Poles should have given away a Polish majority area?
Do you support the idea might makes right?

Yes, but only for Germany.

Which is why the people who claim Germany had the might to do whatever they wanted to Poland whine so much about what the Allies did to Germany during and after the war.

Germany was the aggressor and a pretty brutal one at that. False flag operations to fabricate a casus belli against Poland, invading Norway and Denmark unprovoked, taking parts of Czechoslovakia and then backstabbing the rest of the country too. Not sure how you can see them as the victims...

If Might is Right, then Germany lost fair and square.

>When it came to using old men with rocket launchers as cannon fodder why didn't Hitler just sue for peace?
He knew he was going to be hung high. But he decided to take the German people with him.

>tfw you think of the young lives extinguished for the will of a single man, marched to war to fight a similar monster on the other side, without the ability to protest

My question is why didn't Hitler use gas weapons when it came to the hour of the Gotterdamarung.