The Islamic head cover

incidentally, I just read an article where it said that with Egypt and Tunisia becoming less attractive tourist destinations, some Arabs are visiting Bosnia. Now, the Bosnian muslims are complaining about arabs praying in "the middle of the street" and wearing hijabs.

It's supposed to be about modesty.

Yes, some wear it (especially in Jakarta, where there's a lot of Sumatran immigrants) and some don't.
In fact, most don't, especially on the South coast and in the East.
But yeah, it's better to post a pic of 4 hijab'd women and say that arabs ruined everything.

Khalijis are absolute cancer, worst tourists ever.

What about wearing a headwrap is modest?

"Modesty" in general is a meme. It's supposed to be related to humility but the idea is so degenerated that wearing more clothes=being more modest. It's retarded really.

not to mention that originally (pre-islamic), the veil was worn by aristocracy, to exemplify themselves as being of higher importance in a completely immodest way (and to "prevent the despicable commoners from gazing at them)

Actually, that was to show off expensive cloth women were wearing.

well, it was probably a bit more than just that

> Female slaves and prostitutes were forbidden to veil and faced harsh penalties if they did so

>El Guindi, Fadwa; Sherifa Zahur (2009). "Hijab". The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World.

I have a similar question.

Is the Burqa and Niqab written specifically in the Quran like are there specific verses that actually call for the woman having to wear these things or is this stuff in the hadith or not at all in the the Religion itself but something cultural?

thats ambon people, not javanese

these are just modern indonesian in general, either regular people or wahabi arab wannabe

nope, that just westerners mistaking them with other ethnics

its actually a compulsory by islamic teaching, but of course religion are adapted differently throughout the world, similar to how some pagan elements slip through christianity

>Countries that didn't wear it adopted it in the global era due to Islamic nationalism
wahabism happen

shame desu, people are replacing traditional conservatism with religious traditionalism here, now a days you could only find people wearing kebaya in traditional cities like jogja and solo, while hijabs are everywhere

>people are replacing traditional conservatism with globalist reactionary memes
Fixed. You see this even in the West with a shared international alt-right platforms.

>kebaya
nice, but I think its funny this is the first thing that comes up when I googled that

nothing you said even makes the remote bit of sense
fucking stop posting

Thanks for the (you), I've had better but you'll do for a lazy Saturday afternoon.

first of all your response had nothing to do with what he was saying

and if you unironically use the term
>globalist reactionary memes
in an argument... there is no hope for you

>How widely spread were such traditions of wearing Hijab, Burqa, Niqab etc?
I recall reading an anecdote once about how an Arab traveler noticed that the women of the countryside he was passing through didn't wear it. Like another said the hijab was an elite fashion sense that got vulgarized as Islam became more mainstream in the region.

>first of all your response had nothing to do with what he was saying
You're smart enough to know better. I was correcting what he said in which "religious traditionalism" is actually Islamism's platform on the hijab as a political symbol of the Muslim woman and Muslim society which was pushed for all Muslims throughout the world in the 70's and 80's in response to the rise of socialism and materialism in their societies. You know, a literal and global reactionary meme.

I'm sorry you were triggered and let your blind rage blubber pointlessly, but maybe I should have put up a trigger warning before criticizing the alt-right, my bad.

Modesty is something that was adapted for the hijab specifically over time. It used to be their only relationship was wearing the headcloak one way is better than another way because one is more modest. The whole headcovering idea mostly comes from Hellenic ideals on upper class Greek women not being too public and covering their hair. It's got to do with the honor of her man's house through proper behavior.

Eventually being modest and wearing a hijab because wearing a hijab means you're Muslim became one and the same.

Women here used to cover their hair. Most stopped that after WWII.
Now mostly old ladies and nuns cover their hair.

I have a Muslim friend from Pakistan who does not wear a hijab. No one in her family does either but I know that women in other regions of Pakistan wear some kind of head covering. I think its just a regional custom.

its funny because you were clearly the one who was triggering into a blubbering rage by the term "religious traditionalism"

>using sarong instead of batik
thats ""malaysian kebaya""

That's an interesting view of it, but I don't blame newfags for not getting it. Fixing a post is agreeing with the statement but having a slightly different word choice. At best it could be passive aggressive, but please keep trying. I do enjoy it when someone who can't even figure out capitalization tries to desperately save face. It hasn't gotten old a decade later.

It is written in the Qur'an that women should dress "modestly" but the actual garments are only described in the Hadith.

Can't remember exactly but I think that's it.

covering the head and the whole hair leaving only the face is mentioned in quran

but veil covering the whole face like burqa is culture and not mentioned in quran, probably descended from general semitic culture, it have been practiced since babylon

>covering the head and the whole hair leaving only the face is mentioned in quran
I was under the impression it's only mentioned in the Quran the same way water is mentioned in the Quran - just noting its existence but actually focusing on how it should be used and not its existence, which in this case is wearing it over your breasts. Does the Quran ever say "don't show your hair"?

>immigrants
>from same country
???

I live in Cape Town, which is an interesting case study in Muslim customs because the Muslim population here is so far from homogeneous. We have mostly Malay- and Indian-descended Muslims, but some Arabs too. The interesting thing is how polarised they are. There is a decent proportion of Muslim women that will never leave home without a niqab, and there's also a large proportion of Muslims in my uni who'll refer to women in niqab as ninjas. My one friend is a Muslim, and, in the nicest way, she's a bit of a slut. She goes out, gets drunk, hooks up with random guys, the whole deal. Literally most Muslims I know at uni smoke either cigarettes or weed or both, and about a quarter of them drink. One of the funniest sights you'll see in the Muslim parts of Cape Town is when there's a wedding or something at a Mosque, you always see a half dozen young guys standing outside dressed up all fancy, and then you see them all quickly hiding the cigarettes when some old auntie comes out.
I mean, even in my high school, the Muslim girls were largely split into two groups by the end. The reason for this was that the one group considered the other to be "ISIS-lite" (quote).

So yeah, there's a lot of reactionary nonsense and counter-reactionary nonsense and a lot of people make fun of a lot of other people, but mostly anyone who can have a laugh won't wear a full niqab. It's pretty much seen as an edgy thing to do, or else it's "ag shame" because they come from a scary family.

Yep, I can confirm this. I've been in Sarajevo last month and couldn't believe with my own eyes.

I think we should call them all Sarong.

I'm Thai/Lao and our wrap thing is called Pha Sin, but in English I say Sarong.

Why don't Europeans make Arabs wear traditional head scarves of thier particular nation? More culturally appropriate and QT I think

That's actually an epic idea.

In english I call them all sarong too but desu it is a bad oversimplification, since it means calling all variants of south east asian wraps as sarong, despite the countless varieties and difference

Im indon, in here, there's basically 3 types; sarong is the simple rectangle-cross weaving pattern on your left pic, the ones weaved with golden thread on your right pic are called songket, and hand drawn ones are called batik, Im sure you have similar stuff there

It is Arabisation and the steady influx of Saudi oil money and Wahhabist and Salafist teachings across the Islamic world.

In premodern Islamic Philippines, headcovering did exist but wasnt really a norm.

Ladies decided to wear it one day and not in the next.

It literally says 'to the church' underneath in dutch, maybe that's why they're not wearing headscarves.

Covering your head wasnt unusual in the past in Europe, it just fell out of fashion

As far as sexuality is concerned, same reason as covering your legs. A woman's hair was classical considered very sensual, and you can see yourself that today women generally don't have hair as short as men's, because it wouldn't make them as sexually desirable.

Also, in the classical understanding of modesty, it means not flaunting. To be modest is to not boast or show off. When women can show off their hair, they often put a lot of work into styling it and things like that. Hair is a pretty big thing.

Finally, having your head covered was considered a sign of submissiveness for women. And having your head uncovered was considered a sign of submissiveness for men, since head covering where more elaborate with hair for them--although that goes out the window when men start becoming vain about their hair, which is why Paul discouraged men from having long hair. Orthodox monks have long hair, but they also tend to keep it covered, just like women.

Abrahamism you mean

But there is a difference in fashion and religious compulsion.

It wasn't just fashion in Europe either, as it was considered moral for women to cover their hair after marriage or whenever in church. At some point things diverged where for Europe sumptuary laws regarding head coverings became more and more secular whereas in the Middle East it became more and more tied to religious identity.

This is untrue. The Qur'an talks specifically about moving the headscarf over your chest and also the jalabib

there's no mention of covering head and hair in quran, its really vague
nope
show the verses

Quran instructs both Muslim men and women to dress in a modest way, but there is disagreement on how these instructions should be interpreted. The verses relating to dress use the terms khimār (head cover) and jilbāb (a dress or cloak) rather than ḥijāb.

The clearest verse on the requirement of modest dress is surah 24:30–31, asking women to draw their khimār over their bosoms.

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their khimār over their breasts and not display their beauty except to their husband, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their (Muslim) women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. 24:31

Those who harass believing men and believing women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a grievous sin. O Prophet! Enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): That is most convenient, that they may be distinguished and not be harassed. 33:58-59

>Islamic nationalism
>Islamic
>nationalism

What about it?

>Religion=Nation

Depends. Northern Mozambique and Tanzania have huge Muslim populations and a good many wear the hijab. I assume North Africa even moreso.

>. My one friend is a Muslim, and, in the nicest way, she's a bit of a slut. She goes out, gets drunk, hooks up with random guys, the whole deal.

I need to know more...for reasons.