Why's there so much s197 hate here? You'd think Veeky Forums would love this car

>05-09's can be had for

The modular was a dated engine, and hardly pushed to it's limit stock.

or you could buy a 350z for same price that will not fall apart, is easier to maintain and handles and looks better.

It may be low HP, but the stock block can handle 1000HP easy, those modulars are extremely robust engines

>350z
>Will not fall apart
>easier to maintain
>handles and looks better

They handle like dog shit, are always owned by mexicans, stupid unreliable, and you look like a complete fag.

And miatas aren't?

No memes aside, I just got a 2006 Mustang GT.
What are some upgrades and mods I can and should be looking to do to make it better?

Rear end gears for more go, exhaust for sound, shortshifter, suspension mawdz.

Upgrade the suspension first, then get an exhaust (the 4.6L modular sounds soooo good), then good tires.

That was the '13.

They also cost twice as much, given, 18K plus isn't that much, but if you have 10K to spend, and you want a v8, the 4.6L is your best option

This. Veeky Forums hates everything

>unless it handles like an elise with slicks on stickytape with 4 tons of areo acting on it it's shit handling
ok.

Sadly this. Though jeeps and challengers are becoming the new thing

No one is claiming that, bait harder

Also, pic related

> if you have 10K to spend, and you want a v8, the 4.6L is your best option

Except the fbody exists.

That generation of mustang is for moms trying to act cool

Except at least some people think the OP looks good, good luck getting anyone except your mom inside this hunk of garbage

What happened to cars in the 80s and 90s? How the fuck did they go so far backwards in terms of style?

>4th gen trans am
>not sexy as fuck
>not the best performance/dollar currently available anywhere in the united states
>not the best engine architecture (GM LS V8 MOTHERFUCKER)
>not having endless potential with endless after-market
>not going 0-60 in under 5 seconds stock

My trans am is faster than a 4.6l 4v mustang, shits on 3v. 2v is not even comparable

my car is only a bit slower than a new 5.0, and it cost like 1/5th the price

and its actually mine, not the ford dealerships

>caring about looks only

What happened to the way it DRIVES?

these f-bodies are HIGHLY underrated in terms of handling feel and cornering ability. they even have double wishbone front suspension

>LS1 V8 up front where it belongs
>T56 6 speed or 4l60e A4 in the middle where it belongs
>Torsen LSD solid rear axle
>coil-over suspension with SLA double wishbone front
>big vented disc all around with twin piston fronts

its not a fucking lambo but it is WAY more car than most people on Veeky Forums have, and they're like $10k for a clean stock example

also
>12.62 e.t

F A S T

you can install sequential turn signals on pretty much any Mustang model now for around $100 and a socket wrench.

it's cheap because it's ugly, has enormous overhangs and has a shitty interior

kinda wish there was a company that used this car is a donor car with the end result being something that looks like a 1960's european coupe with a nice vintage interior to match.

top 5 ugliest cars ever material

even worse interior
the quality is awful
the engine sounds like shit
still handles like garbage

>overhangs

>i parrot things i hear on Veeky Forums

>shitty interior

yeah its a $5k car with 325 hp

buy some corvette seats and a roll of self adhesive vinyl to wrap some interior panels in. the interior isn't even that bad, it is literally a meme

also what mid 90s-early 2000s cars DON'T have cheap interiors?

i prefer the aesthetics and interior design of my EF civic hatch - but EG interiors look like shit

>posting a fucking $500,000 Porsche

Because a corvette from 1992 outperforms it in every way.

top 5 most butthurt fags on Veeky Forums

>muh interior
>muh engine note
>muh handling

the LS1 is god like sound at WOT

and the fbody with the LS1 handles absolutely excellently

my other car is a 2000 LB EF civic, and my 3400 ponti boat still fucking corners

there is NO way that could be a legitimate fault of the car. its just bullshit

>lol we only took that offramp at like 130mph, this car can't even turn

>slower than 4th gen fbody LS1
>same price range
>more maintenance

C4 LT1 6 SPD is an amazing car, but performance/dollar is not there with the LS fbody

its ugly inside and out
the handling IS NOT good just because you think it is
LS engines sound awful Id rather have an LT

its a good car for blind white trash to race away from traffic lights Ill give it that

3400 LB*

also the fbody has literally endless suspension and chassis support. you could make this car into a full-fledged racer with bolt on and weld-in suspension/chassis parts

>not running a tubular engine cradle with tubular upper/lower control arms on adjustable coils and thicker sways

until you do that you can't really complain about handling

>yeah its a $5k car with 325 hp

it's $5k cause it's ugly and has a shitty interior, not because it's down on power or performance.

look at those overhangs

>you cant complain about handling until you dump thousands into polishing a turd

wow

I had no real complaints and it was fun to cause butthurt on Veeky Forums. I also got mine for 9000 so I made out pretty good.

It wasn't in a Chinese cartoon and LRA memes

Tell us more.
What year? What mods have you done?

Kek my 1986 Mercedes-Benz V8 does 210HP.

Ford is crap.

>mfw a 1984 corvette out handles an f-body turd

>B-but its ugly!!!
Opinion discarded

So the exact same a a 1986 Mustang GT

Wow, Ford sure is crap

>LS engines sound awful Id rather have an LT

Gen II SBC's do sound really good; classic NASCAR exhaust noise

BUT, the LS1 is VASTLY improved. it is not even comparable. The LS1 is endlessly better

if ALL you care about is sound, the LT1 does sound better. IMO (i have had both)

the LS1 has way better response, acceleration, more torque, more top end, better at higher RPM. sounds better past 5000 rpm. even gets better mpgs

not to mention the after market support of the LS V8 compared to the dwindling support of the Gen 2 LT1

if I were building a gen 2 SBC it would be a 3rd gen with fbody a carb setup

>the handling IS NOT good just because you think it is

tell that to all the SCCA auto-cross f-bodies

>did you k-know your car c-cant even t-turn

>i don't even own a car

:^)

it's not even my opinion dude, if they were so great they'd be worth a lot more than $5k.

HEH.. REAL CAR GUYS LIKE ALL CARS.. THUMBS UP IF YOU AGREE

>20 years later.
>90HP more than an old Mercedes-Benz

American engineering everybody.

Is there honestly that much of a difference between how the LS1 and LT1 sound?

youtube.com/watch?v=0AUtoT3ldng

>i don't like fbodies because there's nowhere to put my purse

sure its better but I dont care about the being the best

>tell that to all the SCCA auto-cross f-bodies

you can autocross anything
you can prep anything

they're completely different

literally any car can be a track car.
Veeky Forums doesnt know shit about tracking.

>not wanting your performance car to have a proper engine

sorry i can't hear you over my 5.7l V8

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the LT1 and LS1 are both 5.7

am I missing something

>am missing something

around 50 HP

LT1 sounds better

Id rather spend more on making a LT1 faster than getting an LS

I don't like that particular gen (love every gen but that one actually)

Because you can get a foxbody for much less, then build a 302/351 for it and still not have spent as much.

don't get the hate either, I own a 2014 V6

>2005 S Class with a V8 only made 35bhp more than the Mustang while costing 4 times as much

Veeky Forums doesn't know shit about cars

>muh track time
>muh laps

Firing order, for one.

i prefer the "updated" versions of them
>V8, 300hp
the newer 3.7L v6 makes 305
and the 5.0L v8 makes 412
they also went from sohc to dohc (tivct)
and that 's mainly why i don't like the 197's

>dated this body style HARD. Nobody will ever want it now
that's some narrow minded think there, user

>c4 vette
>+ slightly shorter wheel base
>+ slightly lower overall height
>+ 51/49 weight bias
>++ INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION

>LS1 fbody
> + slightly wider track width
> - 56 / 44 front-rear weight bias
> - slightly taller, slightly longer
> - solid rear axle
>similar weight

The C4 is a solid platform for auto-cross or road racing

damn that's a sweet looking twin turbo v8

you don't really know anything about LT1 or LS1 engines

>iron block boat anchor with Siamese exhaust ports (vs aluminum block LS1)
>2 bolt mains (SIX BOLT MAINS IN LS1)
>optishit (instead of coil near plug)
>doesn't make as much power
>doesn't have the after-market or tuning support

and honestly the sound is difference is negligible

getting an inferior engine just for the sound is like a girl buying a brand new car in hot pink because its "cute"

do not care

not a benchracing faggot

the sound difference is noticeable as every LS sounds like shit unless it has 180 degree headers

Modulars are shit for HP gains and people that want to turn corners don't want them because they're LRA boats.
>The block can handle it
The rest of the engine won't without an overhaul. Without getting into wankery the LS platform is substantially more stout.
300 if you're lucky. the 2v engines only made 250-280 HP.

No one's talking about 2v engines in this thread dumbass, s195 uses the 3v

s197*

name cars around the era that made that much power at around 26k MSRP

Camaro Z28 was $22k to start in 2002.
The Camaro SS was $30k in 2010.

BBK longtubes and xpipe with borla out the back. I was gonna do cams and pulleys plus steeda suspension work but I smacked it up and had to fix it. Good for eating riced civics and v6 camaros but it was underpowered for what it was. I did have a lot of fun in it.

>the sound difference is noticeable as every LS sounds like shit unless it has 180 degree headers

>180 degree meme

good luck fitting those under a car that isn't mid-rear engine

>Someones using my picture

neat

Ok so there's Camaro with an engine 1.1 liters larger. Got any others?

Above all else, Veeky Forums hates itself. For example:

>HURR DURR FUCK YOU ALL BUNCH OF BENCHRACING, BUSRIDING FAGGOT
>I AM A BENCHRACING BUSRIDING FAGGOT

dump more please, they're nice shots

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so the 5th gen camaro was more, and the camaro ceased to exist in 2002. top kek

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>4.6
>shit

Friendly reminder there is no LS engine faster than this mod motor

accufabracing.com/accufab-mustang

GM literally cant compete

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If all I want is a cheap rwd v8 I can get the 4.6 in a crown vic for like $2k

And you'll hate life because everyone will think you're a cop, good look ever having fun with it, and enjoy being targeted by police

>I can't find the goal posts

>I do believe they've been moved, sir

Its nobody's fault but fords that they put a little girl engine into the mustangs

Stay btfo
GM cant compete

If you look at the threads on Veeky Forums where people actually post their cars, you see that most people are low income animals and will never be able to own any car over 250 hp, thus, they hate everything

>look at those overhangs

good for aerodynamics desu

>that high-rise wing
>that air induction

s x y

The 5th gen Camaro was MUCH better than a Mustang GT of the same year.
It handles better, it's faster in a straight line, and it has a better interior.