That's it folks, they're done

That's it folks, they're done.

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/business/epa-emissions-cheating-diesel-fiat-chrysler-jeep-dodge.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.ca/

Other urls found in this thread:

independent.co.uk/news/business/news/fiat-diesel-emissions-scandal-accusation-a7524296.html
forums.geforce.com/default/topic/941040/caught-nvidia-cheating-in-visual-fidelity-again-/
archive.arstechnica.com/archive/news/1053741723.html
techcrunch.com/2017/01/04/nvidia-and-audi-aim-to-bring-a-self-driving-ai-car-to-market-by-2020/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_100_days_of_Donald_Trump's_presidency
theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/19/many-car-brands-emit-more-pollution-than-volkswagen-report-finds
youtu.be/e_0_auNzom4?t=2m17s
gaywheels.com/category/mazda-reviews/
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

DIESEL
FUCKING
FIAT

I was wondering why their stock was plunging today

no that's probably because of their trash cars.

California Air Resources Board
>CARB

more like Cancerous Approval & Rampant Bribery

>this literally a day after Volkswagen pleaded guilty, got charged 4.3 BILLION, had SIX warrants issued on them, and one guy already arrested.
Aren't they already almost engulfed in debt?
Rest in piss fiat

Lmao!!! Good bye Chrysler. They've taken serious hits before but they just shit the bed.

That's how it should be done. If a student gets caught cheating on a test or using crib notes hidden on the backside of his calculator, then he should be flunked out of the class and a notice placed in his permanent student transcript citing him for fraudulent work. If he denied it, then another notice should be put in there for lying when confronted with evidence. Since high school is mandatory, he should be suspended for one term. If it is a college, then he should be expelled.

There is no room for cheating. When people tolerate cheating, then more cheating will occur and probably in many other areas as well.

Yes dear, fiat. That's the company this thread is about...

Fuckin emissions bullshit. They're more concerned with emissions instead of making cars more efficient which would use less gas and thus make less exhaust

>That's it folks, they're done.

NO, they are not. The sentence has NOT been passed and Obama's EPA only has a few more days of existence before Emperor Trump takes over.

Remember, Trump has appointed the arch enemy of the EPA to become its next head adminstrator. That administrator can order the EPA to table the issue. Naturally, complaints will occur to the EPA head's boss who is the President. heh heh heh Trump will use his famous line "You're Fired!" to that whistleblower and that will be the end of complaints.

With Emperor Trump, the Spice Must Flow.

PEPPERONI IN FLAMES

NO RECOVERY POSSIBLE

TONY BTFO

>Rest in piss fiat

FIAT can survive 8 more days.

Neither Obama nor Hillary is president then. Trumpchi's appointment to the EPA will be confirmed by the Republican legislative branch on a priority basis so that he can replace Obama's man heading it. That new EPA head would then order a stay of execution or whatever it is called to stop the EPA from killing off Fiat Chrysler Automotive.

FCA only has to survive 8 more days. It really is lucky for FCA that Trumpchi is the next president.

3rd party odometer

What does this mean? A third party did your odometer and said a greater number so what happens?

How did state Farm get your odometer info from a third party?

cheap oil changes are information mines

>not doing your own oil

EPA Accuses Fiat Chrysler Of Using Software To Thwart Laws
www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/01/12/epa-fiat-chrysler-used-software-to-cheat-on-emissions-tests/

FCA quickly loses 2.3 Billion of Stock Value
independent.co.uk/news/business/news/fiat-diesel-emissions-scandal-accusation-a7524296.html

I like how FCA basically said that it was going to ignore Obama's EPA and appeal to Trump's EPA. In a quote, FCA said the following:

“FCA U.S. intends to work with the incoming administration to present its case and resolve this matter fairly and equitably and to assure the EPA and FCA U.S. customers that the company’s diesel-powered vehicles meet all applicable regulatory requirements,” the company said in a statement.

Drill. Baby, Drill.

Dump life savings into Fiat now!

Diesel is RIP.

DOWN WITH DIESEL!

RollCoalfags btfo.

about fucking time, maybe they can auction their assets to someone who can design reliable vehicles

>mired in debt, plagued by crappy designs and an extremely gay heir
>then this
>w-well they'll suck Trumps cock and it'll be okay!
>as if Emperor Trump has ever turned down a revenue stream
top kek

>How did state Farm get your odometer info from a third party?
Third party can be anyone that provides info to any of 36 different automotive database services. Those services buy or trade data with the government, emissions, dealers, service centers, tire shops, body repair facilities, and basically any place that regularly records odometer and other car condition data.

Another source of data are the wireless services installed into cars. Lexus, Mercedes, Kia, GM, BMW can obtain data. In the USA, the most famous is Onstar which sends back everything from GPS location, time of day, speed, any fault codes, hard braking, etc. Current usa data laws require you to voluntarily give permission to include your name with the data. However, insurance companies are allowed to obtain the data without your name or VIN attached to it. Having GPS info can probably identify you because that can be converted into an approximate street address and the insurance company surely has the street address of all policy holders.

They're claiming that FCA didn't declare normal operation of their emission control system as "auxiliary devices", they didn't even find excessive emissions in real world tests, last rants of people who know they will be fired in 8 days.

>“FCA U.S. intends to work with the incoming administration to present its case and resolve this matter fairly and equitably and to assure the EPA and FCA U.S. customers that the company’s diesel-powered vehicles meet all applicable regulatory requirements,” the company said in a statement.

President Trump will save Fiat Coalrolling Automotive.

Of the people
By the people
For the people
That coal rolling shall not perish from this Earth.

You're a fool if you think Trump will ignore the issue. Grabbing FCA by the balls like this will be a massive win. He can basically strong arm them into shifting foreign development inside of our borders.

More than that, FCA has some of the largest, longest running factories in America. The death of the company would mean the chopping block for billions of dollars in revenue and the unemployment of tens of thousands of Americans.

The God Emperor has most likely already had a conversation with Sergio about the entire deal. FCA will live on. They may only do so by being a government cocksleeve, but they won't die.

Dodge is a fucking insitution. It isn't going anywhere.

>this literally a day after Volkswagen pleaded guilty, got charged 4.3 BILLION, had SIX warrants issued on them, and one guy already arrested.

Volkswagon Auto Group had more than that 4.3B from the USA. Other countries have also fined or withheld equity from VAG so the total effective "fines" have totaled about 20 billion dollars. That's a fucking lot of money to get caught cheating. So whoever had the bright idea of boosting short term profits to make their career look good on the sales books has gotten shot down unless they already retired with their bonus checks and rewards set in stone.

F

>the small town of Italy

>That's it folks, they're done.

Audi and Nvidia are working together on their version of the self-driving electric cars. Audi of course got caught cheating. Nividia has a history of cheating benchmarks by having its boards recognize if they are being benchmarked or not. When benchmarked, the hardware and software both switch to code that benefits having better benchmark data.

Will the audi/nvidia car do any cheating?

forums.geforce.com/default/topic/941040/caught-nvidia-cheating-in-visual-fidelity-again-/

archive.arstechnica.com/archive/news/1053741723.html


China's Baidu is trying to team up with Nvidia to develop an open standard for self-driving cars. Well, we all know it is just their ploy to get legal copies of Nvidia's self-driving car secrets without paying. And this will reduce the amount they need to steal.

techcrunch.com/2017/01/04/nvidia-and-audi-aim-to-bring-a-self-driving-ai-car-to-market-by-2020/

Where the fuck did mjet even go? Did this image just btfo him so hard that he killed himself? I wanna see him desperately try and defend FCA for this

Most likely scenario is that his punto broke down somewhere around the refugee slums, and subsequently never seen of again.
Some say his spirit still haunt these very threads.

They're probably all looking forward to January 20th's official Inauguration. For those fans of coal rollers, one of the seven members of Trump's Presidential Inauguration Committee is Joe Craft who is a coal businessman.... So, literally, coal is in the works!

DisruptJ20.org is planning ways to disrupt the inauguration. Watch FCA send engine shutdown signals to the protesters' cars so they don't get there on time to disrupt anything that might harm their chances at having the EPA shut down.

Watch the article at:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_100_days_of_Donald_Trump's_presidency

You'll probably see an entry like "Pardoned FCA for EPA Violations" after FCA said it was impossible for their cars to contribute towards global warming. Actually, Trump pardoned FCA because Sergio bent down and kissed Ivanka's shoe in a show of piety towards god emperor Trump.

Pls no, dodge cannot kill

>inb4 everyone's cheating
Would make the EPA look like a bunch of retards that set impossible standards

They're obviously not impossible since every car company (except the cheaters) are doing it easily

Is it worth visiting an FCA dealership today and pretend to be a customer?

Every car company is gaming the system with tarbo I4s tweaked to get good results on government tests. None of them do nearly as well real-world.

Yeah, who knows, maybe you'll be able to get a 124 for $20K under invoice.

>they're gaming the system with low displacements and turbos
Are you attempting to say its cheating by doing this or some shit?

GMC doesn't seem to have an issue or Ford

>none of them nearly do as well IRL
you base this on literally nothing. Toyota corollas still kicking from 10 fucking years ago their reliability is still their key quality. Same with Honda

Probably worth doing if it unfolds poorly for FCA. If they get slammed for cheating their shit is gonna get pushed in so hard they'll have to liquidate hardcore. Cheap camaros here we come

Dodge is a shitty manufacturer. They've never made a good transmission. They're just the cheap car company for poorfags.

When they die I'll celebrate

>cheap camaros
fuck I wish chevy was going under

why would you even want fiat to survive

>GMC doesn't seem to have an issue or Ford
They don't have issues as long as they're not caught

>they must be cheating
prove it

lel that still wouldn't be worth it
reviewer got a CEL on one of those at 500 miles on the clock

Yes user, I'm the EPA, let me just launch an investigation

Where is that pic from?

Gm and ford are much bigger than vw or fiat
They pretty much own every regulating body in the auto industry

Difference is a government mandate doesn't have to align with physics or reality.
Stop putting government and regulation on a pedestal. No one voted for the EPA regulations.
No one supports the EPA regulations. If you think business is corrupt wait until you start looking into government.

The war on private transit emissions is nothing but a war on private transit disguised as a green movement.
All cars in the entire west have insignificant weight in the big picture.

I feel bad for Tony, guys.

What is he going to fix once Fiat goes bankrupt and disappears?

Nah, Tony just quit. Even he knew the brand was shit.

Fuck off, Statist

>hand-rubbing merchant

>Dodge is a shitty manufacturer. They've never made a good transmission. They're just the cheap car company for poorfags.
>When they die I'll celebrate
You really like that template fill-in-the-blank-name unjustified attack style. It can be reposted thread to thread forum to forum all over the internet. Just change some nouns or gerunds and repost.

The USA is a shitty country. They've never made good citizens. They're just a country of poorfags.
When they die I'll celebrate.

I don't entirely disagree, but if you don't have someone like the EPA staying on top of these companies, they get stagnant and just produce the same shit over and over again.

I do agree that the EPA has some retarded standards and has a bad habit of moving the goal post when anyone gets half way there, but they are necessary I feel.

Holy fuck, I'm in agreement with a tripfag...with brosifine no less.

G-g-guys? S-should I neck meself?

We know, JEEP and Dodge both used software designed to disable emissions control when not on the test cycle. Sound familiar? Not according to the EPA who are saying unlike the identical system from VW the american made cars don't have a defeat device.

The system wasn't on any Fiat cars.

>The USA is a shitty country. They've never made good citizens. They're just a country of poorfags.
>When they die I'll celebrate.

What makes that unjustified?

Not really. Have you read the public response on their website? They keep mentioning how happy they are to work with "the new administration." They know Trump's administration and EPA will go easy on them because muh jobs and muh freedom. The same thing happened with Harley-Davidson, and no one cared because it's AMERICAN FREEDOM. The same thing will happen with Chrysler. The only reason Volkswagen got so much shit was because they're German. Sure, FIAT is Italian, but everyone still sees Chrysler as American.

>Gm and ford are much bigger than vw or fiat
Wrong

VW has a 75 billion dollar market cap.
Ford is 50b. GM 56b.
VW is 50% larger than Ford.

mjet on suicide watch

As much as I dislike cheating companies, I hate the fact that companies are being chased for retarded emission controls that are barely usable irl because we get either:
>low consumption not so nice emissions
or
>high consumption low emissions

Probably for the best, if you could take him with you that would be great.

But VW are European and Ford American, as I have said before this isn't about emissions because Ford cars are putting out much more than VAG ones, it is about the continuing economic cold war between the EU and US normally fraught with EU banks and US tech firms as the pawns.

Remind me again who is actually doing it?

Not Ford, or GM, or Merc, or BMW.
theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/19/many-car-brands-emit-more-pollution-than-volkswagen-report-finds

Mazda is doing it.

youtu.be/e_0_auNzom4?t=2m17s

Almost twice as bad as VW,

End yourself VW cocksucker

Everyone does it, because the regulations are beyond retarded.

What has that got to do with emissions fanboi?

gaywheels.com/category/mazda-reviews/

Do you expect anyone to believe VW diesel engines after how they cheated?

Meanwhile Mazda without diesel engines (they are coming in 2017) and without cheating did an outstanding result.

:^)

>everyone dies it
Citation needed

It's called damage control

Try to make the rest look as bad as you.

Fiat and VW are the leaders on modern diesel engineering. If they do it, everyone does it. It's common sense.

>more pollution
No on the emissions spec this is erroneous, they could be considering mere co2 as a pollutant but purposely ignores that vw cars failed their nitrogeb monoxide spec while other makers didnt

>they do it because it's common sense
Thats not a citation faggot

Wouldn't you think the two biggest diesel makers in the business wouldn't know better than the rest?
Either way, Euro 6 and EPA norms are just impossible to comply with. Even with multiple injections per cycle, dpfs, etc.

And afaik, only V6 diesel engines were affected.

>make a claim
>source?
>lol nice damage control fag it's common sense

If it was so commonly known of it would be commonly documented and commonly referenced

No that's just a preposition. We know they "are the best" because they cheated their way to the top

It's more likely that the others don't appear as great because they didn't cheat they didn't fraud their success

Regardless of your mental gymnastics. Please provide source that ford's deisel engines and their emission for easy are fraudulent or any other deisel manufacturers specs are fraudulent

>No that's just a preposition. We know they "are the best" because they cheated their way to the top
They're the best because their engines are the most technologically advanced. Diesel tech isn't only about being eco-friendly.

>It's more likely that the others don't appear as great because they didn't cheat they didn't fraud their success
Or they just aren't as relevant market-wise to pop up like Fiat and VW groups.
It's also relevant mentioning that the other major players aren't even present on the american market (like PSA and Renault) and BMW and Mercedes hardly sell any diesels there.

>Please provide source that ford's deisel engines and their emission for easy are fraudulent or any other deisel manufacturers specs are fraudulent
Ford doesn't even make diesel engines on passenger vehicles. They use Fiat and PSA units.

Under rated as fuck

I've always loved Chrysler though, I hate seeing Tony drag them down with him.

shocking

amIrite Veeky Forums?

Look at those independent results, see where VW are almost twice the limit, now look at where Mazda is almost 4 times the limit.

Department for transport and environment see:
for the website with details of independent real world testing.

Given you can't quote proply is it any suprise you missed the previous citations?

>previous citations

None of them show every other brand cheating you dumb shit

Great, none of that means anything regarding proving that every other maker cheats their emissions tests

>Department for transport and environment see:
> #
No that's not a government website and that's for EU emission specs, not US

>EPA says they cheated
>references a graph that uses the EU emissions laws
>see this is proof that every other maker does it
>source is a tree hugger hippy website

>Watch FCA send engine shutdown signals to the protesters' cars so they don't get there on time to disrupt anything that might harm their chances at having the EPA shut down.

You don't know how happy I am to be in a world where this is a real possibility.

Part of the problem is that Chrysler uses so many chinese parts. As commented elsewhere, even though the parts are labeled as american sourced, they are actually chinese parts laundered into the process. Thus, chrysler's quality dropped down to chinese quality in the cases where some of the chinese parts were "lemon parts".

Whether or not that is deliberate long term strategy of china to weaken a competitor for takeover is another matter. Certainly having chrysler weaken and be bought out by a chinese company is a win-win for china because they are looking for ways to create a dealer chain cheaply. China is a ruthless place but its government is long-sighted and makes and performs long term plans to support chinese companies.

>1980+37
>Giving a fuck about the thirls world of america.

Thinks absolute figures change based on EU or septic laws go back to /pol/ your level of retard is at home there.

>Giving a fuck about the this world of america.
How many people actually dedicate themselves to only buying american? Precious few. People want to save money. They also want performance.

>That's it folks, they're done.
They're playing a waiting game as well as doing politics with Trump.

It would be bad for FCA to be sold to a chinese company. China's free trade policies requires majority ownership be chinese. But the USA has no such requirement. And then the chinese auto company would have all those dealership franchise locations that would sell both FCA and chinese cars. A win-win all for them because now they have a distro network and sales network and physical locations all over the USA without having to start from scratch the expensive way.

>wanting fca to survive this bad

you guys are bigger cucks than gm fangirls lmao

So much retardedness from one poster. How are you able to type with your two brain cells also needing to keep your heat pumping?

Crysler quality dropped because of chinese parts? Thats a good one. China makes much better parts than America.