Dude USA totally won that war lmao

>unharmed
>loses 60 thousand

>loses 1 million
>stated objective of enemy not achieved

If you're going by that way, South Vietnamese lost the war too and they were on the side of America. They were backed, funded, and supported by America and still lost a shit ton of people, you can't just count America's death count in a proxy war.

>Americans proud of their warcrimes

good job!

Objective was to keep vietnam from getting conquered by commies

Vietnam was conquered by commies

>but we killed more of them than they killed of us

How do amerifats clothe themselves daily

Ok lets disregard the countless massacres and Napalm bombs.
Please remind me what was Agent Orange again?

>America won WW2
>America won the Vietnam War
>America won the Space Race

I don't think anyone thinks that. They definitely teach us the opposite in school.

>America won WW2
This is true depending on what you mean by won.
If by won you mean that they were the sole or main combatant then that's debatable, but if you mean they were on the winning side then that's objectively true.

>America won the Space Race
How is this not true?

Hijacking this cancer thread so we can have a meaningful discussion for once.

What was life like for inhabitants of North Vietnamese cities like Hanoi during the war?
Did life go on as usual, or were there routine US bombing raids?
Did the Communist Party govern openly in Hanoi, or were they a sort of 'government in hiding'?

>Lost race to first space mission
>Lost race to first satellite in orbit
>Lost race to first animal in space
>Lost race to first man in space
>Lost race to first woman in space
>Lost race to first EVA
>Lost race to first spacecraft docking
>Lost race to first lunar probe and first extraplanetary robotic mission
>Lost race to first Venus probe
>Lost race to first Mars probe

Not the guy you're responding to, but the US didn't win the Space Race, Russia most certainly did.

The only 'First' the US got was putting a man on the moon, an arbitrary goal they set after the USSR beat them at everything else.

Except the US still did all of those eventually.
The USSR/Russia have never sent a man to the moon.

How do you set a non-arbitrary goal for the end of the space race?

That's kind of my point. The US were being beaten left and right and chose an arbitrary criteria to make themselves the winner.

>I also completed the race, therefore I also won

>countless

majority of which weren't committed by americans

...

lol does anyone have that image that highlights the other american accomplishments?

>missing the point

The moon landing was the only major landmark in the generally accepted "space race" that only one side (the US) was able to accomplish.

If you like to look at it in a different way, we could say that the space race is never ending, and that the US is currently winning as they have the lead since Russia has not caught up yet, while the US has caught up to all the progress Russia made. Furthermore, the US has made many more landmarks in space exploration since the moon landing, such as the first probe to explore Pluto most recentely.

Also, even before the moon landing there were areas where the US beat the USSR/Russia such as the first space telescope. (1968 for the US, 1971 for the USSR)

How can anyone say Veeky Forums should be taken seriously with threads like these.

Also, it's not as though the moon landing is an entirely arbitrary end point for the space race. After JFK announced the US plans to land a man on the moon, the Soviets also began their own manned lunar project. But it failed and no Soviet has ever reached the moon in person. Since then Soviet and Russian progress in space exploration mostly stagnated while the US' projects only grew more and more.

>America "won" the Space Race
>can't even put a single man in orbit in 2016
wew lad

There isn't really a single "end point" or "finish line" for the Space Race, there's various objectives and logically, whoever achieves more of those objectives is the winner. The manned moon landing was only one of the objectives, but since it was the only one the Americans achieved, they declared that it was the only thing that mattered.

>The moon landing was the only major landmark in the generally accepted "space race" that only one side (the US) was able to accomplish.

Say's who though?

:^)

You don't get points for achieving an objective after the other guy.

bias

>commit all those war crimes for nothing

>couldn't prevent Vietnam from becoming communist.

t. shart

But you do.

Do you think that in a literal race someone shouldn't win just because they were lagging behind first place for 70% of the race yet overtook them in the end?

This is precisely the argument

The US simply discounted all other achievements and trumpeted their one victory as the only one that matters.

Goalpost shifting par excellence

It's not called the 'moon race'. It was a race to space, which the Russians won, Americans got to the moon first, they weren't racing to the moon. Americans set the target at the moon when they got BTFO at everything else, how can you not understand this simple concept?

There is no "end" to the space race. The Americans just insisted it was over after they achieved their one and only "first".

Except the Soviets accepted the moon target and had their own manned lunar program which failed completely, and after which all their progress in space exploration stagnated while the US only rose.

The US won, like it or not.

Kek. No.
>americans won the space race even though they were literally second in space

That's your logic. Pic related, the actual first man to ever get into space, hence winning the space race.

Funny, he's a soviet!

Space Race.

Russians -
[x] - First satellite in orbit
[x] - First man in space

Murica -

[x] WE GOT TO DA MOON DOE!!

By all justifiable metrics Russians won the space race. Sure, getting to the moon since then is a bigger achievement. Those 2 things were literally the biggest things to happen to man-kind.

>The US won, like it or not.
t. American.

Literally, factually, historically wrong.

As usual Veeky Forums is full of commies. Russia is a shithole while USA is a superpower, nuff said.

>viewing the Space Race as anything other than a one-upmanship contest

1. Soviets get first satellite in space

Soviets get the head start.

2. Soviets get first man in space

Soviets double up. Americans however succeed in doing what they did.

3. Americans get first man on the moon

Americans one-up the Soviets by doing something bigger than sending someone into space. Soviets never answer by doing the same. Soviets never do something bigger than what the Americans did.

America wins because the Soviets fail to one-up them. Simple.

Germany won WW2.

>m-muh mai lai

Vietnam War memes on Veeky Forums and /k/

1. We never really tried!
2. HCM wasn't even a communist!
3. We could have nuked them!
4. They were about to surrender!
5. We didn't lose! It was the Democrats stopping the funding!
6. We signed the Paris Peace treaty! That proves we won!
7. McDonald's in Hanoi = Victory
8. Muh Kill/Death ratio!
9. We stopped the spread of Communism!
10. Vietnamese people are pro-American so we won in the long-run!

Sending someone to the moon is only marginally more difficult than sending them into space.
Once you've figured out how to get a man out of earth's gravity well, the rest is just Newtonian mechanics

We lost, but everything else is true.

>USA is a superpower
Yet it can't put a man in orbit.

Uh, no, not really. To get to the moon not only requires more delta-V, it also requires an engine powerful enough to lift off from the Moon. The Space Shuttle could get to space, but almost certainly couldn't make it to the moon, and it definitely couldn't return from the moon.

Sad day

Actually the Vietnamese lost every major battle of the Tet Offensive. It just created a psychological toll that made the war unpopular back home. Tet was a phyrric victory, and while the U.S. could have won the war given a substantial effort, back home the war was already considered a quagmire.

"Mired in stalemate."

How is "woman in space" relevant

Gagarin was such a qt.

burgers claim that as their achievment.

MUH K/D RATIO

>but everything else is true.
[citation needed]

>>Lost race to first EVA
dude what

You're in the woods, walking with your wife.
Your wife wants to leave the woods but you say No.
Your wife calls her friend Steve who comes over and attacks you.
You beat Steve to the ground, but he keeps getting back up, successively wearing you down.
In the end, Steve lands a knockout blow on you and you limp away, despite Steve being in much worse shape.
Your wife leaves the woods. With Steve.

>Usa let them do all that dumb shit while we claimed the moon

>the general conclusion of every moon visit has been that it's a worthless rock

>worthless rock
>controls the ocean

>See Rolling Thunder
>See Ho Chi Minh
>See American nuclear numbers
>See DPRV political situation in 1973
>See Nguyen Van Thieu broadcast or US political papers regarding "bullet for bullet"
>See the Paris Peace Accords and the treaty that came out of it
>See McDonald's Vietnam
>See casualty rates in comparison
>See Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand who all had NV funded communist movements
>See modern Vietnamese polls on views of the US

The insurgency in the Philippines was initially founded by fucking locals, and then went Maoist.

>See modern Vietnamese polls on views of the US
Yeah, this is totally because they love the US, not because the US just counterbalances China.

In addition Vietnam tries to be close to the Philippines so they can "have" US protection while not being formally allies with the US, by being allies with the US ally instead.

The space race was a propaganda war and the Americans very much won it.

>Sending someone to the moon is only marginally more difficult than sending them into space
Oh really, is that why the Soviets took two decades to get something onto the lunar surface slower than mach 12?
Landing on the moon is hard as fuck. It's not just landing there, although that was a MASSIVE fucking problem mind you, it's getting BACK.
The Soviets NEVER came CLOSE to achieving a moon landing. Even today I doubt they are capable of it, although surely given about 2-5 years they could manage it now.

But they unironically do.

Only because they get laughed out by europeans is why not as frequently as they would like to

except that every mission of the past few years used russian rockets?

None of these disprove my statements.

Good memes though.

His point is that none of those arguments prove that America won the Vietnam war. They are specious arguments.

Also, HCM was an unabashed Communist and the consensus of historians agree.

>people integrate in canada
>this makes canadians cucks

THIS THREAD IS CANCER

NO HISTORY BEING DISCUSSED

JUST RETARDS TALKING SHIT AND HATING

STAY CLASSY Veeky Forums

>missing the fucking point
user asked how they were true. They are all true, whether we won or we lost is irrelevant to the question that was asked.

>HCM was an unabashed Communist and the consensus of historians agree
HCM drew far more from the writings of Jefferson and Adams than he did of Marx and Lenin. His supporters were far more communist than he was.

But we werent invading the country.

>"US won the Korean War"

he was a devout communist from an early age

>30 years old
>an early age

Google put Sally Kristen Ride on one of their banners for a day like a year ago, saying she was the first woman in space. This country is just retarded lmao

>American foreign policy post-WWII

>American foreign policy
FTFY

Ayy
this is too funny to be true.

They also put listed an Asian black supremacist who condoned violence as a civil rights activist. Let's not pretend that (((Google))) is anything more than a propaganda machine to sway the masses.

a manned moon mission.
The russians where the first:
Seeing the dark side of the moon
orbiting the moon
landing on the moon
returning from the moon (with samples)

The Germa.. ah sorry US American von braun managed to build a rocket capable to do this manned.
A step up for sure, but nothing of importance.

>giving von Braun credit for anything
He just stole Goddard's work.

Of course the first example to come into your mind would involve cuckolding.

Wanna talk about it? It's okay.

Extra vehicular activity

I have lived in america my whole life and I have never heard anyone claim that we won the vietnam war.

>The Germa.. ah sorry US American

MUH

You seem really bitter and upset, are you okay?

It was a battle of one-upmanship. America raised the bar higher than russia could match, the fact that russia had been the one raising the bar up to that point is irrelevant

>haven't had a major war on our own soil since the Civil War
>smart enough to stay out of World War I until the end
>essentially untouched by World War II
>LOL AMERICANS CAN'T INTO FOREIGN POLICY HURR HURR

If you want to talk shit about modern American foreign policy, go right ahead, but stop deluding yourself just because you don't like the United States.

Bro, I'm American. Our foreign policy was shit despite your memery. Just because we haven't fought a war at home for a while, doesn't mean our foreign policy is any good.

You actually believe this? It's only in recent years that the US has drawn back from it's space program after achieving far more than any other country. It's not even close.

Frankly, it was actually pretty great other than Vietnam and Iraq.

See, once you eliminate the presidents that are from Texas, the US is a totally different country.

"The Voyager program is a continuing American scientific program that employs two robotic probes, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2, to study the outer Solar System. They were launched in 1977 to take advantage of a favorable alignment of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune, and are now exploring the outer boundary of the heliosphere currently in interstellar space. Although their original mission was to study only the planetary systems of Jupiter and Saturn, Voyager 2 continued on to Uranus and Neptune, and both Voyagers are now tasked with exploring interstellar space. Their mission has been extended three times, and both probes continue to collect and relay useful scientific data. Neither Uranus nor Neptune has been visited by any probe other than Voyager 2.
On August 25, 2012, data from Voyager 1 indicated that it had become the first human-made object to enter interstellar space, traveling "further than anyone, or anything, in history".As of 2013, Voyager 1 was moving with a velocity of 17 kilometers per second (11 mi/s) relative to the Sun.Voyager 2 is expected to enter interstellar space by 2016, and its plasma spectrometer should provide the first direct measurements of the density and temperature of the interstellar plasma"