Was Mussolini a cartoon villain?

Compared to other dictators of his time I think he wasn’t the worst. Overconfident and pompous yes, but not a villain.

Did he want to look evil?

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No, just avant-garde, a true artist at heart

Certainly acted like one

The Fascists loved Futurism and a few other styles that would be lumped under "ugly modern art".

The whole neo-classical thing was really more of a National Socialist style.

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He's literally a wrestling character.

well, thanks to his incompetence the allies won the war.

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To be fair, Italian military incompetence is a bit of a specialty.

>Fascist propaganda for the Italian 'election' - no more than a plebiscitary farce - on 26 March 1934. AN enormous 'Big Brother' image of Mussolini is superimposed on the repeated single word 'sì', hammered home to encourage a 'yes' vote.Italians could vote only for a single-party list. Unsurprisingly, the National Fascist Party won 99.84 percent of the votes.

In short, it was a one-time thing. The building on the photo is the seat of the Fascist Party and the poster was taken down after the election was over.

Didn't Mussolini say something about how since Fascism was the first post-modernist political ideology, there was an inherent vein of absurdism to it? I know I saw a quote like that on Veeky Forums before, but I've never been able to find it again.

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>The Fascists loved Futurism and a few other styles that would be lumped under "ugly modern art".
Modern, yes. Ugly, no.
The ugly modern art meme came with postmodernism.

How even. It's not like he personally led any armies.
And not being able to defeat your enemy is not the same as being too incompetent to win. Considering how shit the italian army was (in many way it wasn't even up to ww1 standards), it's amazing they even lasted a few years.

Sounds interesting, someone please recite that quote.

A lot of it has to do with modern day Italy's culture. Where as Germany for example was united by Prussia which had a strong military history and the military higher up were mostly Prussians. Compared to Italy which was united by Piedmont which is a relatively minor country in history that doesn't have any sort of military culture.

>Compared to Italy which was united by Piedmont which is a relatively minor country in history that doesn't have any sort of military culture.

Wow, that's a very interesting theory.

It's more about italian culture seeing war as a way to solve internal problems rather than dealing with external issues, and as such fighting more with an eye to what would be politically helpful than what would be militarily convenient.

It's probably something Filippo Tommaso Marinetti, the founder of Futurism, said. Read Giovanni Gentile's Doctrine of Fascism. It was the definition for the word "fascism" in the Italian vocabulary.

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no, he was real world totalitarian dictator.

Mussolini wasn't even a villain. The only villainous thing he did was ally with Hitler.

You guys have been brainwashed. There is literally nothing wrong with fascism or Mussolini.

>futurism
>ugly
I'am sorry its not just old romanticist paintings circlejerked to inifinity

He invaded the sovereign nation of Ethiopia and used chemical weapons on them

you have 10 seconds to explain how this is any different from someone like George Washington having his face and name on money, states, and mountains

Yes, much like Trump.

>Some shitty African kingdom that was on the chopping block for the worlds colonial powers. A nation that humiliated Italy 30 years before in defending itself.
>even though the great powers of ww1 signed treaties limiting or banning the use of such weapons, these treaties were totally ignored when shit got tough.
I don't think you understand that war is supposed to be bad, thats kind of the point.

It is ugly though. That looks like the cover of a children's book.

George Washington didn't lose

They also signed a treaty recognizing the independence of Ethiopia then back stabbed them and gassed them. You asked me if he did anything villainous. He did. Point blank period.

its literally the cover of the paperback edition of thomas pynchon's Against the day

Its supposed to. Futurism is supposed to be what entices humanity in its most visceral forms. Speed, Action, Danger, Curiosity. The kind of things that little boys playing pirates like. Its simply the nature of man to enjoy these things.

I think I was in that thread. The quote referred to relativism though:

Everything I have said and done in these last years is relativism by intuition. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories and those who claim to be the bearers of objective immortal truth … then there is nothing more relativistic than Fascist attitudes and activity... From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable.

One could argue that his clumsy attempt to invade Greece was a decisive factor in Barbarossa's ultimate failure. When he got so badly beaten that the Greeks were counter-invading Albania Hitler was forced to divert a chunk of forces prepping for the Soviet invasion to bail him out, ultimately pushing back the timetable nearly two months. If he had appointed more competent commanders the Italian army might've been more effective, when under German leadership in North Africa they did have some success.

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That's actually a myth that was born in Westminster and never had been proven outside that place. The purest of propaganda.

>Was Mussolini a cartoon villain?
You tell me.

youtube.com/watch?v=0I71VX5RyGA

>all those exaggerated mannerisms

He was doing it on purpose. He knew how silly it looked and did it anyway to make himself seem larger than life.

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No, but there would be no cartoon villans without him.

>But by April 1945, with the Allies advancing north through Italy, Mussolini knew the end was in sight. Together with his mistress, Clara Petacci, and a few followers, Mussolini fled and headed for the Swiss border. Stopped by Italian partisans on April 26, Mussolini’s attempts to disguise himself with a Luftwaffe overcoat and helmet had failed.

>On April 28, 1945, at the picturesque Lake Como, the partisans stopped the car; pushed Mussolini and Petacci out, and ordered them against a wall. Whilst the partisans pronounced the death sentence, Petacci flung her arms around Mussolini and screamed, “No, he mustn’t die.” Petacci was shot and fell. Mussolini ripped open his jacket and screamed, ‘Shoot me in the chest!’ The executioner, a communist partisan by the name of Walter Audisio, did so. Mussolini fell but was not dead. Another bullet in the chest ensured that he was. The bodies were heaped into the back of a van, together with those of Mussolini’s last followers, and transported to Milan.

>In the city their bodies were delivered to the Piazzale Loreto, the scene of a mass execution of partisans the year before. The corpses were beaten and urinated upon and finally left to hang upside down, for public display, from a rusty beam outside a petrol station. Petacci had not been wearing knickers and a group of old women rearranged her skirt to preserve her modesty. People surged around, desperate to get a look, to laugh and spit upon them, wanting to make sure that it was true: Mussolini, fascist dictator of Italy for 23 years, was truly dead and Italy could live again. Two days later, Hitler was also dead.
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That's giving him too much credit.

He was a bumbling sidekick at best.

That was post-1936 Mussolini, senpai.

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>well, thanks to his incompetence the allies won the war.
So you are saying he was the good guy?

Did cartoon villains even exist before then or did we model what it meant to be a cartoon villain after them?

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I think it's more the case that cartoon villains based themselves off of fascists and Mussolini, rather than the other way around.

>Yes, madam, I am finished. My star has fallen. I have no fight left in me. I work and I try, yet know that all is but a farce... I await the end of the tragedy and – strangely detached from everything – I do not feel any more an actor. I feel I am the last of spectators

>He was a bumbling sidekick at best.

It's this kind of attitude that allowed so many Fascists to escape prosecution for their crimes.

Shame on you for perpetuating this awful myth that Mussolini and the Fascists were some just bumbling fools. They carried out calculated and meaningful atrocities.

Italy had been fighting phony wars between mercenaries for centuries so it always was a joke peninsula.

what does this mean? There's been more bloody and vivious fighting throughout the peninsula than anywhere else in Western Europe.

Is mousalinni a revolutionary or a counter-revolutionary?

Jesus christ, is this real?

Yes.

He also eats babies and shares a harem of underage virgins together with Putin.

Not possible, Putin is clearly a furry

He's literally an anime character

its in a huge ass auditorium, and they have a screen so you can actually see his face instead of bringing binoculars

whats wrong with that? Are you people retarded?

He didn't look like a fucking cartoon villain while doing so.

That said, our image of cartoon villains may be influenced by people like Mussolini, rather than the other way around.

>He insulted a fascist, therefore he must be communist.
You guys need to chill out and enjoy the meme

Forginers fighting foreginers. There hasnt been a strong italian military presence since Septimius Severus disbanded the Praetorian Guard and replaced it with foreigners.

Well, the Donald got my vote.

We've been the bad guys of the world for 50 years. Time to stop hiding it and claim a conqueror's throne.

How has this never been a wrestler's gimmick?

>One could argue that his clumsy attempt to invade Greece was a decisive factor in Barbarossa's ultimate failure.
One could also argue that Barbarossa was a success, as it bought the Germans enough time to finish their bases in Thule, Antarctica and the Moon.

kek.

lmao nice socks

youtube.com/watch?v=0I71VX5RyGA

>Implying that's something bad

They're all posthumous and George never asked to have his face everywhere

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Who do you think they based the cartoons off of?