>With Trump dismantling the EPA, will we enter a new horsepower war?
707HP is already 50 more than the top-tier Camaro ZL1 and the 2013 GT500, so why would they put more horsepower in the top car unless it was a ludicrous bump?
I don't think it will be a measly 100HP bump, I'm thinking 300 - making it the first road legal 1,000HP car.
And seeing that FCA could sell the Hellcat at $60k, I bet they could do it for under $100k.
If there were no EPA we'd have Darts and Cruze's with 600hp for $50k by now. A V8 with forced induction should be making 4 figure HP at minimum. This ZOMG 700HP!!!!11!!! shit doesn't impress me.
John Green
GM could bring back the 454 and break 600HP NA with direct injection.
Ford's twin-turbo Voodoo/Coyote Ecoboost monster could be have 4-figure horsepower variants too.
Carter Harris
Really? A bunch of transverse FWD V8s? Fuck off tryhard.
Liam Foster
The demon will be a wide body (confirmed via F&F trailer) and probably AWD Hellcat, probably with a power bump to 750 or so.
Justin Reed
I wonder if anyone has done a budget 1000hp build out of a ls350 with big turbos.
Surely 10-15k on a engine+trans alone would easily get 1000hp if you did it yourself with some help
Adam Martin
This won't happen but I wish they'd come out with a 426.
Angel Gomez
the horsepower war has been going on for ages
Dodge just builds pure shit and needs numbers to cry for attention
it damn sure wouldnt be the first 1000hp road legal car either
Trump is a tard who wont do anything
Nathan Davis
>mfw i thought the awd challenger was going to be a v8
>turned out to be a rebodied v6 charger
>mfw i was actually interested in buying one still
if the make an awd v8 challenger shit would be so nice, but how would it turn?
Brandon Lewis
>>making it the first road legal 1,000HP car.
Jackson Cox
>>With Trump dismantling the EPA no they just put out some fuel economy standards a few days ago,plus he can't just go in a dismantle them
Jayden Ortiz
go in and* there's courts involved
Jason Torres
Why can't they do it right and just make an AWD, 6-speed manual, 5.7 or 6.4 Hemi Charger?
Adrian Hall
"wide-body" dude that's what F&F does, fucks cars up with body kits. I don't think that's a factory representation.
Also, 700+ being split to the front wheels? They've never had a center dif that handled more than the old Hemi's 350ish... And they don't have beefy enough front halfshafts to handle double horsepower.
Isaiah Wright
Not gonna be AWD. Why would they go from a 4-legged cat to a 2-legged demon?
Joshua Perry
because demons are humanoids and human have 2 legs duh
Evan Reyes
There are road legal cars with more power than 1000 bhp
Lincoln Jones
For under $100k? For under a million even?
Evan Barnes
Anybody can go to a GM dealership, buy a Corvette, drop it off at a tuning shop, pay $15k and have a 1000hp car for under $100k.
Austin Price
All I know is I will most likely be trading my Hellcat in for the Demon
Juan Gomez
An inspectable, reliable, warrantied one? KYS tryhard
Jaxson Perry
hell you can get a 1000hp car for less thank 10k
only a tard would buy these attention whore Dodges
Nolan Williams
Road legal? kys
Landon Rogers
Looks like someone is butthurt that he can't afford one
Xavier Cooper
3,500hp cars that run 5s in the 1/4 are road legal here
yeah you can build a 1000hp car just fine
why would I ever want to buy one
they arent impressive to anyone thats into cars and are simply normie bait
Owen Butler
Inspectable - yes Reliable - yes Warrantied - ehhh. If you got money to drop on a car with xxxx HP then you can afford to fix any little issues that come up.
There's 2500hp road legal cars....
James Nguyen
>Trump can't X So it's going to happen?
Hennessey pls go and stay go
Aaron Gomez
Hennessey is a bitch.
Nolan Gutierrez
They're not cool enough to actually do it though.
FCA is.
Angel Powell
Nah its pretty impressive, especially since they have to follow U.S and state legislation while trying to keep the vehicle reliable. Enjoy your "Built Not Bought" facebook page making fun of people who have a little extra cash in their wallet.
Aiden Roberts
The wide-body was rumored to be called the ADR or American Drag Racing edition.
I think they just renamed that Demon though.
Jose Torres
Nah NRE are the worst dyno queen's ever.
Jordan Collins
theyre not even reliable 707 hp from a SC 6.2 isnt impressive
enjoy your spending large amounts of money to be slow and unreliable compared to Cletus' junkyard Camaro he built under the tree in the backyard
Caleb James
Kek. How many times are we gonna hear trump can't do x y and z
Josiah Sullivan
I would rather have someone who stays stagnant than a dipshit who believes in open borders and "free" college.
Jonathan Sanders
Even a top fuel dragster won't put it's power down on the streets. Street pavement is like snow compared to a prepped drag track.
Eli Gomez
More reliable and warrantied than the Cletus Camaro. Must be hard being that retarded.
Blake Parker
>he needs the dealership to change his light bulbs for him like a baby.
Let me guess... Your tool collection is a Black & Decker Walmart tool set?
Daniel Hill
I doubt it
you can get a 1,000 hp engine (all motor BBC) fully warrantied for $20k-ish that runs on 93
aftermarket stuff will be more reliable than the Hellcat and it still wont cost as much and quite a few parts have warranties too
like I said Hellcats are normie bait so I can see why you care so much about warranties when you cant wrench
Aaron Hall
>I live a life full of assumptions. Nah I've got my fuck around car that I've got my hands in, but you have to be a pretty big edgelord to think that what Dodge has been doing isn't impressive. #BuiltNotBought amirite?
Isaac Fisher
Impressive for modern cars I guess but not very impressive in the long run considering there were N/A V8's in the 70's putting out 400+hp.
Isaiah Martin
And I am sure the aesthetics and interior is far superior too. Hey, I understand you can build up cars, redo the interior, and enjoy older vehicles. I just don't understand why you have to shit on a manufacturer while doing so.
Jack Ward
Laws and times change, the fact that there is so much constricting manufacturers is why this is impressive.
Isaac Phillips
because Im not impressed by "707"
Jason White
We may see the return of small vehicles. As it stands the regulations are a car must meet certain emissions and mpg solely based on the track width and wheelbase of the vehicle and the standards are too high
Hopefully we will see better looking trucks and v8 options in smaller cars. I dont think car manufacturers will acknowledge a market for mass produced 8mpg street beaters
Austin Lee
So your reaction is based purely on autism, got it.
Blake James
yeah because getting excited over numbers isnt all that the Hellcat is or anything
once again
I like cars so it takes more than some hp figure that can easily be reached for less to be impressed
if youre a legit autist who cant understand that then oh well it cant be helped
Ethan Powell
Coming from a guy who has probably only been behind the wheel of a car with 300 or less. You are clearly a retard
Elijah Jones
You can buy a Roush Yates Ford Cup engine for about $50,000. They are about 950 horsepower and they are super reliable, too. Designed to run for 5 hours at 9,000 rpm. For shit on the street, you'll never, ever come close to that kind of abuse.
If you have to have that magic 1,000 horsepower, a 100 shot of nitrous and you're there.
Hudson Lopez
is this the mental capability of Mopartards?
>hurr u retarded u dont even know haha I cant make relevant comments
its 2017 707hp isnt impressive unless you just simply arent well informed on cars
Christopher Watson
Designed to run for 5 hours at 9,000 rpm.
What's the point of revving out a V8 to 9000rpm? Pretty sure you could build a Chevy V8 that'll do that for half as much. Most big V8 boat engines will run at full rpm all day.
Blake Wright
its a NASCAR engine it actually makes power up there and stays high in the rpms
Lucas Bell
The brand reaches out to its fanbase, creates vehicles that pays tribute to their own past while retain being modern, still appreciates numbers (not just in fuel efficiency), and shoots none shitty commercials. You just sound like a killjoy.
Jaxon Gonzalez
Ignore him, he doesn't understand that cheaper higher numbered vehicles are good for consumers.
Robert Nelson
When they measured gross horsepower with zero parasitic drag like transmissions, power accessories like alternators and power steering pumps?
Horsepower ratings in the day were total shams.
Brandon Bennett
You are an idiot.
Aiden Taylor
aka they make garbage and rely heavily on marketing and other things that dont matter
Luis Cox
Every brand has its ups and downs, faggot. I'm a Toyota fanboy myself.
Robert Gutierrez
Dodge are just downs
Benjamin Smith
Funny I have a nice collection of muscle cars and the most reliable cars I have are Dodges. You are just mad because Dodge dances on your little bitch ass face
Hudson Torres
>meanwhile new cars have electric power steering, brake boosters, water pumps, radiator fans ?
Cooper Rivera
wow old irrelevant shit
Dodge is just awful user all there is to it
Lincoln Clark
Old irrelevant shit that's probably worth more than everything you will own in a lifetime. Like I said you are just mad because you can't afford all the toys that are pocket change to me
David Taylor
oh look
even more irrelevant opinions
sorry like eating shit and so willing to pay just to drown in it
Blake Bell
>BUYING a 1000hp car
William Sanchez
You have posted absolutely nothing to give credibility to your claims either. You have the worst case of Syndrome of the downs I have ever encountered. You should execute yourself. Your life is trash and everything about you is shit
Joshua Taylor
>707HP is already 50 more than the top-tier Camaro ZL1 Yet the ZL1 is still all around a faster and better car than the Hellcat... Really makes you think. Almost like a horsepower figure on it's own is meaningless.
>why would they put more horsepower in the top car unless it was a ludicrous bump? because people like you already think 707 over 650 is a big deal.
>I don't think it will be a measly 100HP bump It will probably be 100-150. Knowing FCA it'll be some random "good looking" number like 808 or 888, meaning +101 or +181.
>I'm thinking 300 lolno >making it the first road legal 1,000HP car. lol. CCXR, One:1, Veyron, Chiron, Ultimate Aero, Venom, etc.
>I bet they could do it for under $100k. Probably.
Now here's the problem. Horsepower doesn't mean shit if a car can't put it to use. Judging by how awful the Hellcat is at putting it's 707 down, I don't even want to think about how stupid 800+ is going to be on that platform. It seems all FCA does is put out cars that look like monsters on a spec sheet or dyno, everything else be damned (and frankly that's all they have to do because people eat it up, ironically mostly those who will never drive or own one of them). I sincerely hope they at least have the damn sense to put fat ass tires on the back and make it AWD. It's all kind of pointless if it ends up being 888, RWD, only manages to put down 700 to the wheels, and slides all over the place on a road despite weighing as much as a fucking Tundra. But, we'll see. Maybe they manage to surprise.
Jaxon Ramirez
so this is how a Mopartard acts when he realizes he spent money to choke on shit
just lol
Justin Lewis
Alternators and PS pumps have hardly any parasitic drag. Even modern engine dyno's measure power from the flywheel not from the transmission unless it's a wheel dyno. Every modern manufacturer measures their engine power (bhp) not the power at the wheels.
Keep in mind high compression engines and leaded race gas were readily available back then. Not everything was 8+ liters and 150hp back then contrary to Veeky Forums's belief. The numbers aren't that hard to believe.
Angel Morgan
they all made shit power though
Jose Sanchez
There's only so much you can do with RWD and street tires before you have to start looking into going full drag mode. 700hp is getting pretty close to that point.
Jaxson Smith
400+ n/a hp from 7 liters isn't horrible considering it's the 70's.
Cameron Murphy
not a single one made that much
Josiah Martinez
millwright here
you're retarded for buying snap-on or other name brands
Mastercraft is best tool brand and one of the cheapest
Subtract 5hp from that and you got your net power. Do the math on drag times back in the day and the rated power checks out. Ignore the smog emission gimped grocery getter engines.
Adam Hall
I spent money to win and winning is all I do with my Mopar muscle.
Xavier Morgan
no way they actually made 400 net hp
even dynos of modded ones with cams and headers only make mid 400s at the most
so even if they do its just barely and thats with a damn racing engine
more like multiple gross hp by .75 and you get close to the real power
Juan Nelson
>show me an example >hurr that one doesn't count
kys
Joshua Bell
A 7l engine doesn't give a fuck if it's got power accessories on it, They're not going to make a difference, were not talking 50hp diesels here.
using the same standards something like a Camry would be rated at around 370hp
we get it you dont know shit just stop getting involved with conversations kid
thats not stock either
they make less than 400 stock but close to it
Luis Martinez
A gimp 427 ford would still make 400hp Why do you even browse Veeky Forums if you know nothing about cars
Christian Torres
cool evidence
I bet it barely makes 400 if it even can do it
Ayden Stewart
Stock 427 out of a passenger car, not even the hiriser variant that came with the thunderbolts >youtube.com/watch?v=SKb97o7EWjg With typical driveline loss youre looking at 400 net with this engine in a manual 60s passenger car
Robert Green
Also good luck finding dyno footage of 60s cars
Jayden Stewart
Is the Demon going to be the Challenger version of the Mustang Cobra Jet in that it's built for drag strips and isn't road legal?
Logan Robinson
there is no driveline loss in net hp
that engine still isnt stock either
Kayden Adams
Do you really think youre going to get 71 hp from headers on a stock engine
Brody Russell
>not knowing how shit stock manifolds are >not knowing how restrictive stock exhaust is
and I thought I was the one who didnt know what I was talking about you guys are really clueless
Alexander Hall
Gains from complete stock exhaust vs full race tube headers are 40-45 above 6000 rpm on a performance engine
Evan Sanders
>t. I just installed a fart can on my Civic.
Eli Rodriguez
what if the engine doesnt even reach 6000
Jose Richardson
>not knowing a stock 427 from the 60s will be rolling over around 6k from cam timing and weak springs >further diminishing returns
Ayden King
Depends on the how built the top end is and if youre removing the bottleneck of the engine. Different engines produce different results
Levi Sanchez
Which btw on old ford heads the exhaust runner was the bottleneck on performance so flow was already being destroyed before it was being dumped into the manifolds
Andrew Sanders
>454 >not the 572 which they still make
Brandon Cook
but you just said 40-60 above 6000
there is over 50hp gain before it even reaches 4000
umm no
those 427 heads outflow Vortec heads which can make good power on small engines
Hunter Roberts
You need to go. Holy fuck this is some of the dumbest shit ever spewed. You literally have no fucking clue how horsepower is measured, whether it's bhp or whp, and that's about the first fucking thing pre-teens that start to get interested in cars learn.