What was the war of 1812 about?

what was the war of 1812 about?

>that gif

Lol, everyone must've hated Stalin in reality. I like how they put on a show of smiling faces for him.

The people in that gif look Peruvian.

napoleon attacked russia and then there were a bunch of cannons and then the trumpets

I've always loved that propaganda flick of Stalin giving a speech, and then it cuts to a crowd cheering, then Stalin speaking, then the crowd cheering, and so on and so forth for some ten minutes. And each time the crowd cheers it's literally the exact same clip.

Read up on the battle of new Orleans

>war of 1812
imma assume we talking murican

>Brits buttmad about colonists rebelling
>impress murican merchant sailors into their navy
>muricans ask them to stop
>brits say nah
>muricans invade canada and blow up brit navy ships
>brits invade
>brits have a bonfire in dc before getting kicked out
>jackson annihilates brits in the south
>war ends everything goes back to normal
>canadians think they won even though all the fighting was done by brit regulars

B..but the French pirates.

Apparently a considerable number of British Sailors would jump ship and join American crews to get out of service.

...

Also wasn't there a huge fucking tornado somewhere in there?

Yarp..supposevly.

After the british burnt down the whitehouse God formed a hurricane in DC because the Lord is always on America's side.

and from a british point of view, american merchant ships were known to be harbouring british naval deserters (criminals) and thus were legitimate targets for stop and search, several dozen were found and retaken this way.

US gets pissy about this (and harbours designs on canada) and despite to this day insisting on their right to arrest US deserters where ever they are found (including in FFL service) insist that the RN has no right to do so. there may also have been some ill feeling at the RN blocking french trade.

the US chimps out, invades canada repeatedly, getting BTFO each time, the british block the ever loving shit out of the US merchant shipping, cripple the northern economy and prove the USN to be far to small in number despite having a few good frigates (and BTFO the chesapeke in the only straight fight between equal vessels) and by the wars end have deployed vessels capable of matching the US heavy frigates (razees)

the british then send a set of punitive expeditions into the US blowing the shit out of them and burning washington, forcing the US to accept they cant win and go to the negotiating table.

one last battle is fought at new orleans because neither side at the fight was told the war was over in time, the US wins that fight and forever after thinks they won the war.


oh and the original us casus belli? already stopped 3 weeks before they declared, the right to stop and search for deserters was not renounced but the practice was as the recapture rate wasnt worth the time it took or the fuss the US made

Tasty.

but not wrong

I've literally never seen somebody butthurt about winning a war before.

Pirates got no d

its more the american triumphalism about the whole affair that annoys me.

they started a stupid war for stupid reasons and seem to think that despite being forced to admit they couldnt win even against a badly distracted britain they somehow managed some great victory because they won the last battle and didnt get reconquered.

they lost, they lost a war they never should have started, not just shouldnt have started because they were unlikely to achieve anything by force of arms that they couldnt by asking nicely, but because their whole official reason was bollocks

honestly the number of times yanks try and reference 1812 as some great achievement frustrates me

Not an achievement just American and badass

the parent isn't happy to punish the child

Where in history has that ever worked?

but it wasnt badass, they lost, they lost a war they shouldnt have declared, and treat survival (against a power that didnt want the bother of conquering and occupying them and frankly didnt really want the bother of fighting them) as if it was a great victory.

the reality is that the only war aim the US didnt fail to achieve was the one that had already been achieved before war was declared.

So you think the u.s. is a mistake?

>cletus' english comprehension.

honestly yes, but I think you are confusing the revolutionary war with the war of 1812 at this point.

the revolutionary war was a mistake because the tax requirements were not unreasonable and the colonies had effective self government and would eventually have had dominion status and then independence much as canada had.

the war of 1812 was a mistake because its primary motivation for declaring war against one of the great powers was 'we dont like you exercising your legal right to arrest deserters)

>U.S. fails in their war aims

Well done Britain, well done...

HOWEVER

>gets off completely scot-free
>united the country & kicks off the "era of good feelings"
>undergoes a manufacturing boom
>young culture gets a nice national myth
>grows up to one day usurp britain's role in the world

I wasn't confusing them, they made the connection.

they got off scot free because it wasnt in british interest to get too punitive with them, its like a child celebrating because they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and instead of being spanked the parent just sighed and moved the cookie jar to a higher shelf.

again in clear english please?

You sound like my dad but he likes America.

also about the Indians being armed by the Brits. the frontier was a war zone.

>You sound like my dad
clearly your father is a intelligent man

>but he likes America.
but we all have our flaws

And that has what sort of effect on the rest of the war's aftermath?

Furthermore, there's a good chance that Lower/Upper Canada would've become U.S. territory at some point had the war never happened, so you shouldn't feel so salty about it.

>>gets off completely scot-free
>the seat of their president is burned down.

because heaven forbid that anyone should make it more difficult for you colonials to genocide the locals.

So you do know what i mean!

and the maritime commerce of new england took years to recover (although there was a shipbuilding boom)

not if you are that post makes no sense

It was rebuilt in 2 years.

How didn't that make sense?

war of 1812, I don't see the US trying to invade Canada again

Why would they?

>"star-spangled banner"
>battle of new orleans myth
>end of the federalist era
>first sense of real national unity

Thanks, Britain.

how did it make sense?
made little sense appearing to confuse two separate and distinct conflicts

then proceeds to deny there being any confusion followed by

>they made the connection.
who or what is 'they' and what connection other than both wars being between the USA and the UK do you think you see?

They being potentially a completely different person our group of people than you
>the reality is that the only eat aim the us didn't fail to achieve was the one that had already been achieved before war was declared
Were THEY not referring to the revolutionary war?

Supposedly he'd get standing ovations that would last for several minutes because they would sometimes arrest the person who stopped clapping first

no the war aim that was actually achieved was the british stopping the search and seizure of RN deserters from US merchantmen.

this was actually achieved before the war even started

How was that a win for the u.s.?

England was hard up for sailors to fight Napoleon and maintain the Empire. So they started capturing American merchant shipping and press ganging the crews.

This was excuse enough for the Americans. Who though they could take Canada while England was busy.

The Canadian Campaign failed because the Generals picked were poor. They failed to organize logistics. They were also expecting to be seen as liberators.

Some Canadians and English troops sacked DC. Then were promptly wiped out by a storm.

Some more fighting happened.

English realize that they got no time for this shit in the Americas.

Andrew Jackson with some pirates, French men, etc; defeat the English in Louisiana.

Peace Treaty.

Jackson on his way home, conquers Florida.

well it was something they wanted, and were claiming was a great insult to the US (the basic claim being that US citizenship meant all previous obligations were severed the UK disagreed)

it was one of the stated reasons for declaring war, indeed one of the primary official reasons, the actual objective of annexing canada was never officially acknowledged

it was also the only aim they achieved

Yeah, the uk disagreeing was basically like saying those they Were picking up Were spies and they Were gonna try to get us back, better to strike while the iron it's hot.

last time they hit their little brother daddy burned down the white house

territory and loot

The White House was like a decade old at that point, and the President just lived somewhere else when they rebuilt it.

The president is a representative who wanted the job...they were the equivalents of teenagers tp'ing canadas big maple syrup jug.

And piss off how many people doing so?

>So they started capturing American merchant shipping and press ganging the crews.
no they boarded a few and took back any deserters they found, they didnt seize the damn ships and generally only took a man or two from the crew if they were deserters, they didnt press gang anybody let alone whole crews.

the peace treaty happened before the battle of new orleans, news of the treaty didnt reach new orleans till after it was signed. winning the last battle doesnt help if you have already admitted defeat.

is this again?

>Yeah, the uk disagreeing was basically like saying those they Were picking up Were spies
no its like saying those they were picking up were deserters and cowards, and what use would spies be if they were low ranking members of a merchant crew?

>and they Were gonna try to get us back
if by the us you mean the US then no, neither side thought the UK was trying to reconquer the US.

>better to strike while the iron it's hot.
you mean prematurely start a unnecessary war you cant actually hope to win?

and the UK disagreeing with the idea that taking US citienship somehow means that a deserter isnt a deserter anymore is something the US still does with its own deserters, you are still going to be arrested and extradited if you desert the US army and are caught in france or england even if you have gained UK or french citizenship its a universal principle of international law

Yes, it's me again. So, why doesn't the uk try again?

This. They're already our quasi-protectorate, and in the somewhat likely event they ditch their monarch sometime in the next century, we'll essentially have Jefferson's Empire of Liberty.

try what?

Reconquer.

exactly, they pissed off Britain last time

try again then or try again now.

try again then because the expense involved would have exceeded the profits generated from the enterprise

and try again now because in the intervening two centuries the US with a entire continent to expand into and large unexploited natural resources to exploit grew into a powerful nation that has a 5 to 1 superiority in population to the UK and a very powerful navy.

the US can be destroyed, but it cannot be conquered at this point in time

So..
>pic related

U.s tried to annex canada bit similar to the texas swindle

US thought it could join napoleon in taking over the world.

...

What was it about? About two years long

An American chimp-out because Britain was blocking their trade with France. The US didn't feel like going to England so they tried to invade British Canada instead.