What is Veeky Forums views on capitalism?

One thing I noticed on here is there are alot threads talking about Socialism/Marxism/Communism, but what do you guys think of capitalism? because to me while capitalism isn't perfect, but considering the track record of these alternatives it seems to me that capitalism is way better.

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Capitalism is good for rapid industrialization, but because

>it isn't perfect

it will ultimately self-implode.

The best system we find for now, hope a better exist.

Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot predictions.

Everyone knows capitalism is merely a stepping stone before the inevitable triumph of Islam

>How many people here thought Marx was against capitalism? Marx was against capitalism? Almost nobody? Max wasn't against capitalism? How many think he wasn't against capitalism? One? Why do you think he wasn't against capitalism? Just get to a mic.

>Student: He wasn't against capitalism because Marx thought capitalism was a necessary step in getting to socialism.

>Professor: You're exactly right. So what Marx thought about capitalism was, and we're going to understand the reasons for this in detail in the next couple of lectures, that for a certain phase of history it was essential. He thought capitalism was the most innovative, dynamic, productive mode of production that had ever been dreamed up, and there was no way you could even think abut a socialist or a communist society developing unless you had capitalism first. And Marx would have had absolutely no sympathy for the Russian Revolution which was done in a peasant society, or the Chinese communist system either. He would have said they were completely premature because in the end it's going to be capitalism which is necessary to generate the wherewithal to make socialism possible. So he wouldn't have had any sympathy with the Leninist or Stalinist projects, which we'll talk about later.
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I can't, for the life of me, understand why would any "marxist" describe himself as an anti-capitalist.

It's the best possible system at the moment, a historical inevitability, and Marx knew this.

A progressive system that did a lot of good, but is ultimately unsustainable due to the inevitability of accumulation and the need for constant growth.

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Successful but perpetuates its own inevitable destruction.

The model cannot sustain because it is not cyclical, both parties cannot benefit, there is an imbalance. What it creates is a market where you are either accumulating money, or losing it. This is what will eventually lead to the disappearance of the middle class, the collapse of capitalism, and the resurrection of a rudimentary economy based on trading of goods and services and the disappearance of consumerism.

There are clear weaknesses with the system (tragedy of the commons, inherent bias towards reactivity over proactivity, pendulum swings caused by panics over the elusive and intangible nature of value for MOST goods, consumerist culture is pretty horrible) but it is necessary until it commits ideological suicide by producing a post scarcity society through advances in manufacturing and automation. Also inb4 the no true Scotsman horse shit that accompanies and ultimately destroys any discussion of capitalism or gommunism.

How do you know

The capitalist mode of production is not necessary, Marx explicitly argued against this interpretation, the Russian preface to the manifesto written by his hand says that peasants could possibly skip it on the way to communism

>it isn't perfect but it's the best we've got
kys

You must be 18+ to post here.

nah bro. too much govt to go to corporate feudalism again. sometime in the next 10 years automation will be fully implemented and basic income will be a legitimate platform in the United States. After that we will become a socialist state whether or not anyone likes it.

>froginboilingwater.jpg

Capitalism is really fucking bad, so bad that if we don't move to a better political system our planet will probably be destroyed within the century.
The only reason why Socialism isn't a better option at the moment is because socialist thinkers have stuck in the age of dialectics or even metaphysics and as a result some of the core issues of Socialism, which would be really easy to solve with today's technology, have been left unsolved.

>fuck the environment

What did they mean by this?

Socialism is shit because of the rhetoric and implementation of its contemporary supporters? Interesting point there

Until human beings have both the intellectual capacity to navigate and process huge swathes of statistical datum and the emotional maturity to not abuse power and accept limitations for their own good, I simply fail to see how a centralized economy can succeed long term. I think capitalism is a festering soulless shitpile of a system for the same reason - we are literally only a few hundred generations out from being literal wild animals and we are expecting ourselves to be able to organize a humane global economy that encourages us to share with strangers we will never interact with in lieu of wallowing in social and physical luxury all because we slap a coat of point on the ape and call it a man.

you'd be surprised at the amount of compassion humans (mostly in the western world) have developed for each other. I did some reading on Medieval Europe and, man, those fuckers were mean. Like, flay alive, hang, quarter, burn, rack, eat etc... Look up the Jacquerie and read what the villeins did to nobles they got their hands on bro

Human nature taking economic form
Best economic ideology in existence

But it might not even need to be humans who would have to manage these centralized economies. AI technology is advancing at such an astounding rate that machines that are capable of learning and refining from their past experience might not be far off.

What's more is that the technology for automation is constantly improving more and more, it is not outside the realm of possibility that almost all labor is automated. Automation like this cannot exist for the benefit of the world's population under capitalism, these machines, like property would only be used by capitalists replacing their workforces. There might reach a critical point where the working class can no longer work and therefore cannot exchange their labor for wages to survive.
>human
>nature

>humans
>primates
>animals
Yes you stupid fucking commie, humans are animals

All animals are subject to change based on the environment they find themselves in. Nature is not static focus on few traits, nor is it inherent to one ideology or economic structure.

'Human nature' isn't really an argument, because it's not static. 'Human nature' is dynamic and subject to change, or better yet evolution, like any other biological trait.

I think you misunderstood my post, or you're just trying to be some pseudo intellectual
Cringed desu
Ok then
Current human nature

I'm fine with anything but intellectual property.

Marx and Engels said in their preface to the Russian edition of the Communist Manifesto that the Russians might have had the potential to skip capitalism and jump straight to communism so long as it brought the West into a communist revolution along with it, so I don't know what this guy is talking about.

But then one could argue that it's not capitalism that is a result of the current human nature, but the opposite. To be honest both seem equally possible to me.

Except that similarities in human behaviour are present thousands of years before the prevalence of capitalism

The Capitalist Republic (aka the system every developed country uses) is probably the best system desu

There's no such thing.

You mean a Mixed Republic or Democratic Socialism. Those are the two dominant types of socioeconomic forms in the first world. None of them, none, are pure capitalist in either form or spirit.

I have stopped thinking in terms of "best" system and have started thinking in terms of "dominant" system. Capitalism dominates communism because it uses its resources (human and otherwise) 1) more effectively to control it's internal population and 2) defend against/attack it's external population. Control is affected by bread and circuses, and (more importantly) the means of exchange (the USD). The other bit is accomplished by mind blowing military tech. A system more dominant than capitalism would need to do these two things better. I'mean not sure what system that is.

The best option humans can think of until computers do it for us in a few years.

Capitalism is possibly the greatest invention in history

Marx literally contradicted himself daily, it's like he wrote something and then a year later he parroted the exact opposite and called everyone who didn't agree with him stupid.

Ever had a Marxist tell you "you didn't read Marx" or "you misunderstood Marx"? They do it even to other Marxists, daily. It's precisely because of what I mentioned above, his works are such convoluted, nonsensical, incomprehensible, self-contradictory pile of dogshit it's humanly impossible to just "get it".

Capitalism is the scourge of the world.

What contradictions did Marx make?

That he claimed to be socialist when in fact a statist scum

Tell us how to achieve communism without Co-opting state apparatus