ITT: cars so successful they forced rule changes

>Mazda won the topmcategory oflemans on their first try with a rotary
so they won in 1980? (no)

ford gt

they only ever won on french tarmac

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>Built to beat the dominant Sierra Cosworth

>Comes into to Group A, destroys everything

>In Australia, after dominating muh v8's and Sierras, is forced to run with extra weight and reduced RPM/boost

>Still dominates everything - banned from competition in Australia, Group A is dismantled worldwide.

I think this takes the cake.

muh corrrrvettte

What did the corvette change?

Built to beat Sierra Cosworth?
The most successful Group A touring car was the E30 M3 though.

>A longitudinally mid-mounted 1,759 cc DOHC 16v I4 supercharged & turbocharged & intercooled engine producing well over a million horsepower.
>Steel tubular space frame
>Carbon fibre composite body
>890 kg (1960 lb)
>Ridiculously short wheelbase.
>fuel tank right below the seat for weight distribution.

Essentially a skittish beast that was incredibly tricky and way too fast for the drivers to handle.

Killed Toivonen in a wreck more fiery then Mordor.
Killed the Group B.
Killed the Group S and it's still-born son the Lancia ECV.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZXzkkGqv9Es

GM won't have anything compete with the corvette in its lineup so all other sports cars were shitcanned.

So a GM car was better than other GM cars.
I don´t get your point.

Lotus type 78

youtube.com/watch?v=Ovlrlrz8J6M

Dont forget the magnesium wheels for extra lightness.

Actually the frame was also magnesium hence there was no chance of survival in the event of a crash

Back when Quattro was an outrageous advantage that even narrower tires and increased weight couldn't stop it. Audi in the 80s was just nuts; you couldn't beat em.

>a GM car threatened the sales of their golden goose
ftfy

So wich rules did it change?

>a million horsepower

>safety roll cage
>explodes on impact
seems about right

Didn't change any rules, but GM canning the Fiero was a harbinger of things to come

youtu.be/p10m0Jdk8tc

This had such a strange effect on our generation. Upon dominating the V8s it turned half the yet-to-be-born enthusiasts into JDM-tyte weebs and the other half into bogans who would foam at the mouth at the mention of un-Australian Jap crap.

Those specs are insane, who in the fuck would ever agree to drive such a thing on a fucking rally track, hell, even on a tarmac circuit.

400 to 600 hp ?
main problem is they are light and all analog
throw in some beryllium pistons and nitro methane fuel for good measure

got me thinkin', what would be the most full-retard speed demon one could possibly concieve?

Conceptually: that redbull thing from GranTurismo
Existing: full blown pikes peak or time attack specials

I vote the porsche 909 and 908
they are purpose built hill climb cars so its a wonder anyone survived them

but a 917/30 converted to rally use mite b cool
esp the flat 16 version if a turbo is put on it

Everything from group B

ultimatecarpage.com/spec/552/Porsche-909-Bergspyder.html
ultimatecarpage.com/spec/417/Porsche-908-02-Spyder.html
ultimatecarpage.com/spec/1048/Ferrari-212-E-Montagna.html

here are the spec
not much horse power

Gran Turismo learned me 1 thing : fancars are like cheatcodes.

That car LITERALLY blew the competition the fuck out.

dat ass

>30 years old
>It out accelerates an Aventador.

youtu.be/XkiR5t65htI

And it does nicely in snow.

youtube.com/watch?v=DnIqhHips3A

That pedal work during the rally portion.

The frame was still steel, also the only thing left after the crash because the rest was made of the most flammable or melty materials possible.

youtube.com/watch?v=bAEL4GBC1Zs

Walter Röhrl isn´t called the god of driving for no reason...

>Audi in the 80s was just nuts; you couldn't beat em.

Le Audi meme.

Lancia even beat the quattro in the 1983 WRC championship with the 037, a RWD drive car, the last rear-wheel drive car to win the WRC.

>1982: Audi Quattro
1983: Lancia 037 (Audi 2nd)
>1984: Audi Quattro
1985: Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 (Audi 2nd)
1986: Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 (Group B kill) (Lancia 2nd)
1987-1992 Muh Lancia straight six victories.

It was a great rally car that changed rallying forever, but it definitely wasn't as dominant as for say the Delta HF.

reminds me of pipe organ

One (1) Win

One was all it took.

Lancia won the manufacturer's championship, Audi won the driver's championship.

F2002

Rule changes for 2003: New points-system that handicaps the winner.

>they won once
>they banned them
>"HURR DURR THEY ONLY WON ONCE THEY SUCKED!"

F2004

Rule changes for 2005: Tyres which must last the whole season (2006 back to normal again).

>Tyres which must last the whole season
I dont know what retard came out with that shitty idea. I dont know why is that idea back.

destroying 4 sets of expensive tires a race was not such a good look
nor was huge fuel consumption

Because the combo Ferrar/Bridgestone was too dominant.
2005: Bridgestone were too conservative with the new tyre-construction and Michelin way too aggressive (Indianapolis scandal 2005) which led to Michelin leaving by the end of 2005.

Michelin left at the end of 06

That wasn't the reason AT ALL! As I said -2006 back to normal (but Michelin left becauee of the many tyre-problems)

Yes, after 2006 you're right.

Wow! A replaceable and easy to wear item was wanted to last more than what they should last just to make races interesting!

What did they expect? Keep a tire set for a year? not use a lot of fuel? were they racing DD shitboxes or race cars?

So Michelin left and bridgestone was the only one providing tires. And the issue was that ferrari was beating ass? Oh i am sure it didn't had anything to do with ferrari being some of the top shit tech in race cars tech or having Schumacher as a driver.

And even then, what was so hard about trying to get more companies? was the tire set THAT expensive or was it that nobody wanted tire competition?

just think of everything that has been banned over the years
and now think of it made with modern technology and no regard for safety or cost

drivers would be passing out on land from too many G
every crash the fireballs would be visible from space and take months to be put under control
each crash would slay at lest 500 rubber necker or bystander

I kind of want to see it happen

Kek, as if people still watched F1.

Because it was everywhere. The Skyline rarely raced outside Australia/Japan. It also won the Spa 24 hours and the Nurburgring 24 hours.

Drivers championship is metric for the best driver.
Manufacturer is metric for the best car.

>Oh i am sure it didn't had anything to do with ferrari being some of the top shit tech in race cars tech or having Schumacher as a driver.

Holy shit you're a dumb fuck. I don't know where to start...

The F2002 and the F2004 were one of the most dominant cars ever made, look at the statistics if you're too young to actually see them race (even Barichello won a shitload of races).

The F1 got boring in the Ferrari-years, so the FIA changed the rules, simple as that. It had nothing to do with costs!

I hate people like you talking about things they don't know shit about!

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Ok dude. Sorry for asking why were there only one or two brands of tires in formula one. I swear to never ask anything again.

everything is a micro managing contest now rather than pushing absolute limits
even the World Solar Challenge got gimped after the cars started to exceed 160 kph and teams were buying satellite grade solar panels and using cobalt batteries

now solar panels have forced parity regardless of output
and the cars are only allowed to do 100 kph

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F2002

"The Ferrari F2002 was one of the most successful Formula One car designs of all time. Designed by Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Paolo Martinelli, it won fifteen Grands Prix, from a total of nineteen races in 2002 and 2003."

>Skyline GTR
>Winning the 24h Nürburgring
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_Nürburgring

Your wrong

>and the Nurburgring 24 hours
When/where? was it like a class win or something?

How about this, guys?

TCS, ABS (I think), active suspension and who knows what the fuck else.

'94 saw all of this crap being banned.

Because it's fucking expensive and you'll get ripped apart from the teams, the fans and the FiA if you make mistakes (Michelin, Pirelli).

Wrong.
The rule change was in effect the year they won, but none of the teams were ready.
They raced with the 3.5L cars in '91.

>money issue

There you go. There's only a single fucking brand of tires because its too expensive for other brands to get into it. Thanks for the non retard answer.

This. They were really annoying.

>no TCS
>MAYBE ABS
>no ECS
>disable dynamic flap control
>make every aerodynamic feature a solid material from the box, or make it impossible for a pilot/team to regulate
>disable team controling any of the car functions
>leave the driver with nothing more than brake bias controls
>go back to 6 speed full manual gearbox
>remove KERS
>switch to N/A V8, or N/A V12

There you go.

It's just ONE reason not THE reason!

Safety was important as well as more balanced sport! 2005 Ferrari fell back only because of the tyres. In 2006, 2007 and 2008 they fought till the last race for the wc again.

Why ban all this shit? isn't the purpose of Formula One to be the most advanced motor sport on the face of the earth? have newer Formula One cars gotten slower than older ones by any chance?

>Nerfing Nuna every year with rule changes.
>The Dutch Technical university Delft has won 6/8 races they competed in with the losses being two 2nd places.
>They introduced a new class 2013, the Dutch Technical university Eindhoven has won both of those editions.
What's up with the Dutch and solar engine cars?

Do they even make normal cars?

dlmracing.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/motordrome-racings-darkest-days-newark.html
ridingvintage.com/2012/12/the-motordrome-board-track-motorcycle.html

motordrome got banned for being too much fun
harley davidson quit for fear of being forever associated with a blood bath
also repairing the wooden plank surface every year was getting out of hand

You moron...
There's a difference between the tyre rules for 2005 (one set must last the whole race to handicap Ferrari) and the one-supplier-rule of 2007 (safety, costs, balance)

Certain things should be banned because they get in the way of driving (ABS/TCS, for example) but yeah, F1 has been adopting some stupid(er) rules for some time now.

The result is utterly uninteresting cars that are utterly uninteresting.

As far as car racing is concerned, WEC is the way to go these days.

Formula one its supposed to be the limit and as far as any private entity is willing to go in terms of technology for car development. But a line has to be drawn when development replaces driving skills. Next time we will see unmanned F1 cars "but isn't formula one to be the most advanced?" Yes. In terms of R&D. Not in terms of how much shit the car has to have.

>That car LITERALLY blew the competition the fuck out.

No, it didn't. It blew chunks of road debris at the following cars which was part of the reason it got banned. It was fast, but wasn't reliable as its best finishes were 4th and 6th while all the other races it was unable to finish in the top 10.

No, over the years the FIA tried to slow F1 down repeatedly. The cars were fastest in 2004 with extreme aero, extreme tyres and NA V10 with about 900-950hp.

nismo.co.jp/en/coprofile/history.html

Group N class

>It blew chunks of road debris at the following cars which was part of the reason it got banned
>"WAAH WAAAAAH! THAT CAR IS FASTER THAN US!"
>"ITS SENDING US DEBRI-SHAPED BOMBS TO OUR CARS! ITS NOT ALLOWED WAAH WAAAAH!"
>"IT WAS DESIGNED TO PSYCHOLOGICALLY TORTURE US!"

All that fake bitching to get the car out.

Just a class win. It's the same with the Team that wins the LMP2 or GT Am in LeMans. Only a few people care. They don't won the Race

they should bring back with electric motorcycles and concrete tracks so they can run indoors

What's up with the Dutch and solar engine cars?
not sure, last race I watched was when all the bush caught fire
ens-newswire.com/2011/10/20/tokai-university-car-victorious-in-world-solar-challenge/

iirc the japs were on a winning streak but Dutch and Germans were allays nipping at the heals

>Do they even make normal cars?
they do make lots of wind and water mills
and in the old style no measurement is involved
they just guess with dead reckoning and bap with tiny mallet for final adjustment
kind of spooky to watch
only slightly slower or at best they have the same time
what's changes is the efficiency and people not risking their life so often

reminder ford didnt win le mans

>Mazda won the topmcategory oflemans on their first try with a rotary

Wrong. Where do you fanbois get this horseshit?

this looks Kawaii

I wish f1 wasn't so cucked. You damn well know if there wasn't any rules or regulations, competitors would have v12 twin turbos with electric motors and kers pushing god-like numbers and mind boggling acceleration that would give a heart attack to anyone over 40. But instead we get lame cylinder limitations, lame displacement limitations, lame rev limitations, limitations on everything.

drop your balls f1

Four times they did

it would make indycar crashes seem tame
cool thing about early dromes is that they can be set up so the curve of the corner is enough to steer the car passively
.eg get to a given speed and hold it and the car or bike will just drive its self round

that said lap traffic is the most normal cause of crash
then surface conditions or vehicle failure

Well, the main reason it got banned was because it was argued that fans were moving aero devices which were banned under the FIA Group 7 rules (which the SCCA used for Can-Am). Similarly, under those rules the previous banning of the 2E which had a moving rear wing set the precedent for the ban on the 2J. The fact that it was flicking debris at other cars didn't help the case for the 2J.

Either way, the car was not successful in the one season that it was allowed to race. It never won a race and never finished on the podium only scoring points in 2 out of the 10 races in the 1970 Can-Am season.

nah it's got to be the S4
that thing was full blown death trap made to kill everything, especially the competition

that aventador wasnt going as fast as it could, but probably neither was the s4 since it takes quite the skill to properly launch an 800kg car with narrow offroad tyres, more horses than the lambo and no electronic aid whatsoever.