It says He created in 6 days but He really meant 4.5 billion years

Doesn't matter what you believe as long as you gib money.

That whore church will believe anything in an attempt to stay relevant

maybe reddit is more your speed then
can any christians refute this?

>I refuse to learn and listen to history
>It didn't immediately make sense when i read it for the first time in 6th grade so it must be bullshit

youtube.com/watch?v=htxOjJHB5-8
youtube.com/watch?v=UVsbVAVSssc

>can any christians refute this?
He is taking poetry as literal history and then he is surprised when it doesn't make sense see >youtube.com/watch?v=htxOjJHB5-8

see as well

>Claim the bible is the infallible word of God
>You're not supposed to take it literally!

Cuckfaggotardianity was a mistake.

How do Proddies deal with it?
Don't non-literal interpretations contravene infallibility?

>poetry
If it's is just (bad) poetry why should people follow this religion instead of one that has better poets, like Greek Polytheism?

>write poetry meant to be taken poetically
>poetic poetry is taken poetically for almost 5000 years
>some faggot American protestants say "lets take it literally for no fucking reason"
>they say this very fucking loudly
>now every faggot atheist things that that's the only way believers have read it for thew whole time

Why the fuck do I have to take it literally?
>>Claim the bible is the infallible word of God
>>You're not supposed to take it literally!
what a fucking non sequitur
what the ever loving fuck does bible being the infallible word of God have to do with talking anything literally or not literally?

Here's a quote from a book written in the 300s saying people who take it literally are faggots
youtube.com/watch?v=LLmqKUQGk3k

>Genesis isn't the most beautiful poetic work of art ever written
get the fuck out of my face faggot

I listened to it and it's just weak damage control meant for internal consumption and is not convincing anyone except those who want to be convinced.

maybe you could be more specific as to why

>Genesis
>most beautiful poetic work of art ever written
I take it that you don't read very much. Fine. But you didn't answer my question. If it's just poetry why should anyone follow it?

I fail to see it's classification as poetry as a disqualification

could you explain why it's a disqualification

I don't think i am understanding you

you seem to me to be saying It's poetry therefore it can't be followed

that doesn't make sense to me tbqh senpai

Why are these snarky comments on the legitimacy of dogma never directed at Islam?

Atheists fear getting shot

Islam actually allows for old earth creationism, some also believe in evolution.
though they have their own ken ham

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar

First of all he talked a lot but didn't really say anything. He didn't really refute those who claim that interpreting the bible metaphorically is a defensive and retreating (yea defeated) position in the face of modern science. I know for a fact that those theologians that thought that the bible could be intepreted symbolically didn't believe that the Genesis story wasn't also literally true. They thought that the symbolical intepretation was another, complementary way of reading it, but that didn't mean the Genesis story wasn't also literally true. In fact I challenge any damage control apologists to show one church father that said that ONLY the symbolic interpretation of Genesis is the correct one. No Christian before the modern era thought that the bible was just DUDE METAPHOR LMAO! We all know about the Galileo debacle. I mean come on.

Are you dumb or are you just playing dumb?

If Islam "allows" for old earth creationism then so do Judaism and Christianity seeing as how Genesis is the creation narrative for all of them.

many jews and christians do
it's a matter of literalism

I am quite stupid
please explain it to me

Why are Christians so dishonest? Isn't truth supposed to be important in your religion? Why all these semantic and mental gymnastics to make sense of a book that is clearly untrue?

Fun fact: There are major holes in the evolution theory, (like ants) that scientists refuse to acknowledge

oy vey

It's descended from Judaism, what do you expect?

ken ham pls

>He didn't really refute those who claim that interpreting the bible metaphorically is a defensive and retreating (yea defeated) position in the face of modern science.
His position is that the Catholic faith has never taugh that the the bible must be interpreted literally.
Therefore if we maintain this position, we are not retreating, as we have not changed
I agree with you, wholeheartedly that is a defeated position and i admonish Christians that hold it

>I know for a fact that those theologians that thought that the bible could be intepreted symbolically didn't believe that the Genesis story wasn't also literally true. They thought that the symbolical intepretation was another, complementary way of reading it, but that didn't mean the Genesis story wasn't also literally true.
The second video
very clearly answered this

>youtube.com/watch?v=UVsbVAVSssc [Remove]
Start that video at 2:16
he reads Genesis as the theologians before him did going back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries

>In fact I challenge any damage control apologists to show one church father that said that ONLY the symbolic interpretation of Genesis is the correct one. No Christian before the modern era thought that the bible was just DUDE METAPHOR LMAO!
Absolute horse shit
the ABSOLUTE Biblical literalism did not exist before the 19th century

Saint Augustine of Hippo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo
lived in the early 400s denounced literalism as you describe it and he was not the first

youtube.com/watch?v=2XfpZcv4rOE

DID THE CHURCH EVER DENOUNCE LITERALISM
no and they never will
it is not their job to denounce things like this
people are allowed to have their own opinions
YOU MISUNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF THE CHURCH
if one man has an opinion that is that man's business as long as it doesn't directly contradict core Catholic teaching

You expect the church to dictate every minute detail of our faith
that is not it's job

if you would indulge me a moment more

i beg you to watch this

youtube.com/watch?v=po0ZMfkSNxc
youtube.com/watch?v=vjjDDhE8R5k
youtube.com/watch?v=zyyySnUqCug
youtube.com/watch?v=_eEmnhmAwPM
youtube.com/watch?v=Nl1xmkVOyRw
youtube.com/watch?v=xwDTBW8oxug
youtube.com/watch?v=-qPHIS3n7Lw

if not now then later

just give the first video 5 minutes of your time

if you aren't interested then shut it off

I think he will help you understand my greater position of science and religion not being incompatible

didn't luther and calvin believe in a young earth?

>Augustine

reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2el0uz/how_accurate_is_the_statement_christian/ck0lzqx

An interesting 2 year old conversation to be sure

But a convincing closer it is not

There are points on both sides and I am not sure what you are directing me to in this very long Reddit thread

I agree with the Christians in that thread

Augustine supports my position

I don't much give a damn about what Luther thinks, much less Calvin.

But I can't say I've heard of either one saying anything about creationism as we are discussing it here

>Augustine believes in everything modern YECs do
>he supports my position

Watch this if you actually want to learn how scholars reconcile the contradictions and outright myths in the bible rather than argue with The fucking retarded Christians this board houses

youtu.be/ANUD8IK12ms
It's a Yale Course on the bible and it covers pretty much the whole bible

But Christians don't?
Fuck outa here

But he doesn't
So he does

But he does

answersingenesis.org/days-of-creation/augustine-on-the-days-of-creation/

>rather than argue with The fucking retarded

Nice projecting

>4.5 billion years

If you are going to try and use science as an argument then don't use outdated science to do so. It just makes you look even more like a retard.

>According to the bible death entered the world through original sin.

By "death" it's obviously referring to the occurrence of the immortal soul leaving the physical body. So no there is no contradiction at all since lower life forms (like you) have no soul.

>pic related should be answered.

Pic related is retarded because it has the relationship completely backwards. It's your typical narcissistic retarded drivel is all. "Whaaaa why am I not special when I KNOW I am special whaaaa!"

Learn the definition of omnipotent and then come back moron.

>nice projecting
I have browsed the thread much
I assume there are probably a couple Constantine characters shitposting their stupid meme theology

>I have
*i haven't

>lower life forms

If God made it obvious he existed there wouldn't be anything special about believing in him, just like there isn't anything special about believing in the sun existing because you can see it.

It intentionally requires a leap of faith on your part to believe in God.

>there wouldn't be anything special about believing in him
Why is that a reason?
Isn't knowing Gods love more important?

Can pic related really be answered though without just outright mind control?

For someone who is religious there is probably just no evidence that can convince them, provided that god(s) deviates from their specific interpretation of their specific religion since there is probably some way of denying any evidence, be it a deceiving rival or what have you.
Even for an atheist the evidence would have to be taken on faith that it hasn't been fabricated entirely since a being approaching the power of some gods would have that ability.

Even if god(s) (assuming an arbitrary creator god(s) definition) revealed themselves to humanity the matter of whether they're really god(s) would still be a matter of opinion just as it is now, provided that opinion can still exist.

Does the leap of faith remain special if it's a routine for a lot of bullshit to request a leap of faith on the part of the believer?

I personally would say it isnt, no. If God's love was obvious and immediate you wouldn't really be exercising your free will in accepting it.

The classic Kierkegaardian analogy is this - If a young prince falls in love with a simple peasant girl, he could very easily simply force her into a marriage with him through his authority.

But surely it is an infintely more real love for him to win her love for him without dazzling her with his glory or power, but for him to renounce his kingship and win her on an equal level, for her to choose him out of love and not out of coercion or awe for his majesty.

I would agree with you and say no it wouldn't be. The leap of faith cannot be part of a routine or forced as dogma upon people - it should be a personal journey where a person confronts their own doubts and chooses to believe independently.

I used to be an atheist myself so I can certainly see where you are coming from, and I can also understand why you might not find my argument very convincing. I know I wouldn't have if someone said it to me

There's no fucking reason to be atheist in 2016
It's like being a pessimist, bravo for you moron

>answersingenesis
See

>Unbelievers are also deceived by false documents which ascribe to history many thousand years, although we can calculate from Sacred Scripture that not 6,000 years have passed since the creation of man.

What did he mean by this?

>lower life forms
Wow that's not very Christ-like.

Don't you have a bull to prep christcuck? Ahmed's balls are hurting from the boat trip with no women on board. You need to let him dick your wife, sister and daughter to alleviate him, that's the Christian way!

>muh Christ cucks
Meanwhile the driving force behind accepting mass immigration is godless atheist cucks like you.

>nuh-uh I'm a special snowflake atheist that isn't a leftist and those leftist atheist cucks don't represent me but those Christ cucks totally represent you !

inb4 you claim to be a pagan

Who's the one kissing their feet again?

Who's the one voting socialists again?

No no no christcookie why are you being so mean to Ahmed and his eighteen male military aged brothers? Remember there's neither Greek nor Jew! What would Joseph the cuck do?

Remember St. Joseph, patron saint of cucks, in this difficult time! Cuckoldry is the Christian thing to do!

>be God
>the one and unique
>omniscient
>omnipotent
>almighty
>hide Dino bones in sand
>mfw humanity is fooled by my trick
>they actually believe earth is not flat and billions years old
>hopefully a few number of americans sects born after an heresy in the 16th century are not fooled.
>they are the bestest christians now
>grant them 10 good boy points

Check your privilege shitlord, science tells us that race is a social construct. I mean come on it's 2016!

Once again you misunderstand me

>[The advantage of Catholics] lies in the simple fact that they do not have to decide either for Evolution or against it. Authority has not spoken on the subject; hence it puts no burden upon conscience, and may be discussed realistically and without prejudice. A certain wariness, of course, is necessary. I say that authority has not spoken; it may, however, speak tomorrow, and so the prudent man remembers his step. But in the meanwhile there is nothing to prevent him examining all available facts, and even offering arguments in support of them or against them—so long as those arguments are not presented as dogma.[24]
Henry Louis Mencken

The Catholic Church has not taught literalism as fact

They leave this up to the mans own personal opinion

Ayyy, you read Kierkegaard? I was an atheist too until I read him

Here's a nice short story by Asimov, "How it Happened":

My brother began to dictate in his best oratorical style, the one which has the tribes hanging on his words.

"In the beginning," he said, "exactly fifteen point two billion years ago, there was a big bang and the Universe--"

But I had stopped writing. "Fifteen billion years ago?" I said incredulously.

"Absolutely," he said. "I'm inspired."

"I don't question your inspiration," I said. (I had better not. He's three years younger than I am, but I don't try questioning his inspiration. Neither does anyone else or there's hell to pay.) "But are you going to tell the story of the Creation over a period of fifteen billion years?"

"I have to," said my brother. "That's how long it took. I have it all in here," he tapped his forehead, "and it's on the very highest authority."

By now I had put down my stylus. "Do you know the price of papyrus?" I said.

"What?" (He may be inspired but I frequently noticed that the inspiration didn't include such sordid matters as the price of papyrus.)

1/2

2/2

I said, "Suppose you describe one million years of events to each roll of papyrus. That means you'll have to fill fifteen thousand rolls. You'll have to talk long enough to fill them and you know that you begin to stammer after a while. I'll have to write enough to fill them and my fingers will fall off. And even if we can afford all that papyrus and you have the voice and I have the strength, who's going to copy it? We've got to have a guarantee of a hundred copies before we can publish and without that where will we get royalties from?"

My brother thought awhile. He said, "You think I ought to cut it down?"

"Way down," I said, "if you expect to reach the public."

"How about a hundred years?" he said.

"How about six days?" I said.

He said horrified, "You can't squeeze Creation into six days."

I said, "This is all the papyrus I have. What do you think?"

"Oh, well," he said, and began to dictate again, "In the beginning-- Does it have to be six days, Aaron?"

I said, firmly, "Six days, Moses."

Not believing the bible is true is hardly a selling point for a religion supposedly based on what the bible says.

The evolutionists have told you that the earth is billions of years old in order for your eyes to glaze over and your idiotic mind to believe that anything could happen in that much time.

God could have created everything in an instant.

He is God.

>Authority has not spoken on the subject

See how the bible is not an authority to Catholics?

Exactly the opposite is true. God has balanced the evidence against your ability to reject the evidence so that you can freely choose Him or reject Him.

He took Mary most vigorously after Jesus was born, and sired many sons and daughters, and is now in heaven with all of them.

He's fine.

Worry about yourself.

Worry about your Æutism instead

If god gave these stories to us then he would have had to give them in a way that the people of the time would understand.

You really have a hard-on for that dude.

Again not me.

Exactly. And had He taken billions of years and developed life from unicell sea creatures, He could have told that to Moses.

He didn't, so He didn't.

Wait, what dude?

>It says OP is a faggot in this thread but he really meant all threads
>OP created through faggotry, Sucking cock is just a phase bro! :^)

What are the implications of this? How can Veeky Forums postology adopt this and accomodate the OP and his Incredible Faggotry?

The papist who calls himself an alien.

Well, for a reminder, we can post in every thread that OP is a faggot. That way, we can remember.

What, what are you talking about? I just misspelled autism, and didn't feel like deleting my post. What is this shit about aliens?

Never go full retard dude.

?

I'm genuinely lost at what you're talking about. Are you going to explain what this alien shit was all about, or were you having some autistic fit?

It depends on your view of the Bible. The Bible mentioned that 1,000 years is a like a day to God.It is possible that 6 days for God =6,000 human years. Then again, I'm not a theologian or scientist.

SILENCE YOU FOOL

It is I, Ælian, the Pope of Autism. I will not stand for this normiefaggotry. I bet you don't even use w/pol/isms like 'nu-male', 'cuck' and 'degeneracy' in real life, only to receive the defeating pain of a thousand cringes, right? That's the type of PRODDIE shit that JESU, ÆUTISTA ÆTERNA (credo in Æutismus Deo) die for on the cross. I bet you don't even pray to Mary the Eternal Fertility Goddess, do you?

Pssh...Deus Vult...kid

Now, here's some quotes that WILL MAKE NEUROTYPICAL HEATHEN PRODDIES CRY LIKE BABIES

>"Proddies are all going to hell" - Æcts of Æutism, Book 4, chapter 5, verse 5, mumbling to myself 5

>"And on that day, the LORD saith: You, Æutismus the Great (that's ME for all your PRODDIES) will defend the Catholic Church, the only TRUE CHURCH and all the others ones are LIARS EPECIALLY YOU LUTHER REEEEEEEEE OH LUTHER YOU FAGGOT YOUR MAKING ME HAVE AN AUTISTIC FIT AGAIN REEEEEEEE" - Æutisticclesiastes book 7, verse 6, awkwardly staring at you 6

>"And that rock is Peter, and on that rock, you will build my church, which is the Catholic Chruch, and definitely not the ProtestANT OH GOD HERE I GO AGAIN REEEEEEEE REEEEEEEE CALVIN REEEEEEEEE ANOTHER AUTFIT REEEEEE REEEEEE PRODDIES REEEEEEEEE" - Psalm 5, book 7, verse 7, I have no friends and only post here on Veeky Forums to cover up for the fact that the last time I talked to anyone was 4 years ago 9

THERE, THAT OUGHT TO TEACH YOU A LESSON, PRODDIE SCUM.

You're forgetting, it's only metaphor. Until it's not.

Check out the most recent and accurate interpretation of religion to date. Search truth contest and read the top entry called present with religion

fuck man I had to take 3 semesters of theology
all the textbooks basically say "this is bullshit and not really rigorous and it's all based on shit that people made up"
mostly it's about the history of the church and letters and deals with philosophy and argumentation but when you get down to it it's just outdated shit

I do believe the bible is true

I just don't have autism so I can understand metaphors and symbolic speech

:^)

The bible is an authority

And I thank God I have the church as well because if every Christian read the bible you think Christians read the bible it would be a very sad world

The death obviously happened before the Fall, as shown by paleontology. The "death" Genesis is speaking about is spiritual death, which subject is expanded on in the gospels.

Explain to me how you would explain this to a Bronze Age man so that he could then go and tell his tribe

Praise kek and his prophet Ælian the Æutist

>talking to some Prod on Whatsgoodly
>he says the creation story was written metaphorically for stone-age people to understand the evolutionary process on their own terms. First the universe was created, then our solar system, then water and land, then plants, then sea animals, then land animals, and finally people; reflecting on humanity's relatively recent origins in evolutionary history
>ask him about the second creation story, where humans are created first
>"I've never actually heard of that one, I don't think it's in Genesis"