Is Dacia the most underrated European civilization? They were doing quite well until the Second Trajan War. It looks as if they had a sewage system at Sarmizegetusa [1], they had lots of mineral riches at their disposal and they were pretty good fighters, but no one nowadays seem to ever mention them. I see tons of maps that don't even put them there, or at best scribble "Dacian tribes" implying they were always a disunited bunch of tribes even though they become fairly centralized towards the end.
Is Dacia the most underrated European civilization? They were doing quite well until the Second Trajan War...
Levi Adams
Kayden Allen
How much dacian is preserved in modern romanian?
Cooper Price
Dacians were cool, love the falx as a concept. They just missed their window in history. They had a powerful overking in Caesar's time, were a bit weaker/more conciliatory to Rome in Augustus' day, then pretty much disappear from the record until Domitian and Trajan started putting out feelers that way. Once that happened there was never a chance they'd be allowed to keep a strong central government. They also didn't wind up moving into Rome the same way a lot of non-Roman ethnic groups later did, which I guess is because the Goths or Huns or somebody ran roughshod over them.
Language wise? Only a bit of vocabulary, about 100 words. The language itself is almost all Romance.
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Nathaniel Cox
Yeah. Too bad they were semi-retarded by raiding romans, even after peace.
Otherwise, their society seemed pretty developed and unique, warrior and religious culture seemed pretty crazy awesome(let's die gloriously in battle, but dont forget to dip your weapons into the Dan1ube before that), and Sarmisegetuza seemed a pretty cool place.
Isaac Fisher
Also have some hilarious moments, like Decebal getting some germanic allies and finding a huge ass mushroom, which they sent to Rome, a message of "fuck off out lands" scribbled on it.
Also this nigga:
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He successfully opposed the Bastarnae, blocking their invasion into Transylvania. The Roman historian Trogus Pompeius wrote about king Oroles punishing his soldiers into sleeping at their wives' feet and doing the household chores, because of their initial failure in defeating the invaders. Subsequently, the now "highly motivated" Dacian army defeated the Bastarnae and king Oroles lifted all sanctions.
Xavier Campbell
#RIP Dacia
Elijah Rodriguez
I transformed Dacia into a global empire in 750 years on this particular alternate history simulation.
David Adams
Dacia lives.
Alexander Parker
>Burebista (Ancient Greek: Βυρεβίστας, Βοιρεβίστας) was a Thracian king of the Getae and Dacians, who unified their tribes for the first time and ruled them between 82 BC and 44 BC. He led plunder and conquest raids across Central and Southeastern Europe, subjugating most of the neighbouring tribes. After his assassination in a palace coup, the empire was divided into smaller states.
> the empire was divided
> empire
WE WUZ
Brody Butler
It probably is but the amount of WE WUZ is immense here in Romania, it's fully nigger WE WUZ-tier shit, if not even more exaggerate, it's frustrating
Juan Rodriguez
What culture you playing as? It's in Carpathia but that is indeed a celtic model.
I'll throw in a few pictures to brag.
Henry Russell
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Liam Robinson
There are quite a few of these head sculptures on mountains within former Dacian territories. That and their gold artifacts are quite cool looking.
Cooper Nelson
My dynasty stayed true to the Vlach/Orthodox ways, all about historical accuracy porn.
Joshua Wright
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Anthony Parker
That's a modern work...
retard
Isaac Long
>the amount of WE WUZ is immense here in Romania
No it isn't. Most people here don't even care about history or knowledge in general.
Wyatt Moore
A bit unrelated but we wuzzian is popular now.
My cousin is from yekaterinburg in russia and he is full on we wuz. Slavic Vedas, showing me pictures of stone walls constructed near the urals and all kinds of stuff like that.
Though, he did move to the states and started trying to be a sports writer for hockey teams. He's just creative and I think these ideas are really appealing to him.
Samuel Harris
were dacians proto-romanian/romanian?
Mason Murphy
accurate
Cameron Moore
illyians had pyramids mother fucker read a book
god damn christians and their 2-5k timespan litearcy
Zachary Miller
>proto-romanians
genetically? teritorially? culturally?
reformulate a proper and conchise question
Adam Watson
When I was in Transylvania, I was told that only a few pieces of vocabulary are thought to survive from dacian. The example I remember was cabbage "varza", but a quick lookup kinda challenges that. A lot of the Romanians kinda "seek" a Dacian heritage, even when its not there.
Mason Murphy
Linguistically, there are apparently some loan-words from Dacian to Rumanian, but the language is as Latin based as it gets (closer to Latin than Italian).
I don't know anything about our genetic sources, and don't think they matter much.
Culturally, between the Dacians and the Romanians are eras of invasion/migration/settlement of Romans, Saxons, Magyars, and the Roma. When I was in Transylvania, I went to a Roman-Dacian reenactment festival, and am glad that the people there are celebrating the land's rich history, but there doesn't seem to be a clear line of descent.
Owen Peterson
to me they look like a sickly ethiopian infant trying to hold onto a branch in a torrenting river before a waterfall with their location from all the washing down (and up) from the steppe etc, like a migration highway on a lake
Austin Watson
>rallying cry of the Iron Guard was that the current Romanian male was "Feminized" and "Emasculated" by foreign powers and needed to reclaim his proper male heritage
Were the Iron Guard the original /pol/-tier Naziboos?
Jack Flores
It was an interesting people but much knowledge and research is plagued by Romanian WEWUZ which was in particular forcerd during Ceaucescu so hard it even got its own name:
Grayson Flores
Such fringe elements exists in many European countries.
Some Romanians claimed that we are pure Dacians, with no Roman influence, and that Dacians ruled most of Europe, were descendants of Sumerians, created Greek philosophy...
But Hungarians also have a theory about them being descendants of Sumerians and part of a great Turkic-Scytian civilization that came from Mesopotamia and ruled a huge area and created many empires.
Some Serbs,Bulgarians, Croats, Ukrainians have something similar
>we are Sumerians/Thracians/Scytians
>great empires
>others were our subjects...
This, however shouldn't be a pretext for dismissing all of history as "We Wuz" like Veeky Forums memesters do.
To put it simply, they are to Romanians what Gauls are for the French.
A population that was conquered by the Romans and assimilated, and left some words and rituals.
The actual proto-romanians were the population that remained after the Dacians disappeared, and was conquered by the Slavs and later by the Cumans.
Levi Rogers
so they were celts?
Josiah Flores
Well, it's sadly an area that historically has not exercised a lot of influence to the rest of the world. If Dacians were a british people, everyone would know them.
Levi Gonzalez
There may have been some Celtic peoples in Dacia but they did not speak a Celtic language (Dacian probably was a satem language and not centum) and archaeologically had plenty of distinction from La Tene type stuff generally associated with continental Celts. So no.
Landon Collins
No, I meant
>A population that was conquered by the Romans and assimilated
They spoke a very different language from the Celts and the Romans, with similarities with Baltic languages and Albanian, but this isn't completely sure because of few traces.
There are common words with Lithuanian, like "daina", Romanian "doina", word for folk music.
Gavin Howard
>Despite strenuous efforts by Romanian scholars to prove a Dacian linguistic "substratum" for the modern Romanian language, there is in reality little hard evidence that Romanian is linked to the ancient Dacian language at all. None of the few Dacian words known (mainly plant-names) and none of the Dacian words reconstructed from placenames have specific correspondent words in Romanian (as opposed to general correspondents in several IE languages). Words suggested as "autochthonous" (i.e. indigenous) by DEX are assumed by several scholars to be of Dacian origin, but there is no strong proof that they are.
>In contrast, there is significant evidence of at least a long-term proximity link, and possibly a genetic link, between Dacian and the modern Baltic languages. A number of scholars[who?] have pointed to the many close parallels between Dacian and Thracian placenames and those of the Baltic language-zone – Lithuania, Latvia and in East Prussia (where an extinct but well-documented Baltic language, Old Prussian, was spoken until it was displaced by German during the Middle Ages).[203] These parallels have enabled linguists, using the techniques of comparative linguistics, to decipher the meanings of several Dacian and Thracian placenames with, they claim, a high degree of probability. Of 74 Dacian placenames considered by Duridanov in his 1969 essay, a total of 62 have Baltic cognates, most of which were rated "certain" by Duridanov.
>Polomé considers that the parallels between Dacian/Thracian placenames with Baltic placenames are unlikely to be coincidence.
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Also many cognates seem to exist in Baltic languages and Albanian too.
Ryder Morris
No they were their own indo-european group, maybe alongside the thracians.
David Turner
Have scientists settled on a common ground about the similarities and differences between the Dacians and the Getae? Historical texts are most likely insufficient, so are there any arguments about this if we analyze the archaeological data?
David Sullivan
Getae were Thracians not Dacians.