Feral children

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Would it be possible, to create controlled conditions experiment to create feral children on purpose?

And if we were to release these feral humans onto a secluded island populated only by them, would they survive and develop a civilization?

Any mad sociologists here?

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>Would it be possible, to create controlled conditions experiment to create feral children on purpose?
Why yes Dr. Mengele, I'm sure that could be done.

>would they survive

no

>Would it be possible, to create controlled conditions experiment to create feral children on purpose?
Yes

>And if we were to release these feral humans onto a secluded island populated only by them, would they survive and develop a civilization?
Probably not, the first several generations of humans will die before they hit 18, it won't be until they can live into their 30's that any kind of civilization will appear.

Its been done, theyre called japanese

They wouldn't survive a few weeks unless they had parents looking after them.

In this experiment they would at least have to raised into toddlerhood and then somehow be trained to find food

There have been a few examples of children being raised by animals.

t. Nanking

I'd be interested to see about raising them and teaching them the most basic variants of English (or any language, really), and then marooning them on an isolate island with lots of food. The ability to communicate is totally necessary to speed up the development of social structure.

Survival skills and knowledge is one of the defining characteristics of humans, it's also our first attempt at technology.

Nobody knows these things innately, because they come about through learning from previous generations. So any feral child would absolutely die, either from an inability to procure food, or the inability to distinguish food that doesn't kill you from food that does.

I see you've never heard of Genie.

youtube.com/watch?v=VjZolHCrC8E

Ah man, imagine being the cop who serves the search warrant on that house.

Imagine the officer's revulsion at the sights and smells assailing you.

Imagine the shame he feels after realizing he's driven by this house countless times and never once suspected anything was wrong.

The part they dont tell you about Genie is that she was a compulsive masturbater. Her helpers would have to stop her from doing it in public literally dozens of times a day.

That's fucked up, but i always found it interesting that a human who was raised with no way of relating to others copes by nutting 15 times a day. Suddenly /r9k/ makes a lot more sense. Genie is pure, distilled Essence of Robot.

That's fucked up.

Dude literally every little kid cannot stop handling their junk, that's something that has to be taught

Yes it would
>would they survive
Probably
You would have to raise them in a safe environment that closely resembles the island you're going to put them on. They mustn't ever know that you're watching them ofcourse.
There should also be plenty of critters that they can learn to hunt and eat.
You'd need to keep them in captivity until their around 16, so they'll have the minimum strength needed to hunt prey regularly

If you tried 100 years ago then probably. I mean a group of scholars actually agreed to fund the Monster Study in 1939 so in 1916 you could have gotten away with much more I think, plus the war would supply you with orphans

Something I read the other day that was pretty interesting:

Humans, obviously, develop the most when they are babies and toddlers. During this development, they learn language. Feral children, who have surpassed their development age without having learned to speak, can never learn a language, as in they can never learn syntax and complex sentences. At most, they can speak up to three words per sentence. This is roughly the same as the most intelligent animals who can understand words.

Civilization isn't an inevitable progression in humans. All evidence suggests it's one of those very rare things that takes a very specific confluence of circumstances, and then spreads like a virus, once it's started. Much like language, or life itself, or Youtube videos with over a million hits.

Even language isn't instinctual. Children that are never exposed to language, don't learn to speak. Those few feral children in this state, and more commonly, those deaf children that never learn signing, communicate through mimicry, but they also don't "think" the way we do. They can learn language as adults, from others who already have learned the skill, and have interesting descriptions of their previous thought process and "communication", but have no desire to go back to said, and sometimes, fail to grasp some of the logical nuances of reasoning and language, even as adults.

So unless you setup perfectly ripe circumstances for civilization, which would have to include something to teach them language, most likely not.

Plus, well, babies left alone just die. (And sadly, that experiment has actually been done, even though it was entirely unnecessary in order to obtain said common knowledge.)

This isn't *generally* untrue, unless they are also malnourished and/or under stimulated during development, which Genie certainly was.

The more common cause of "languageless adults" is deaf children living in rural areas of developing nations, where no one knows sign language. If taught as adults (even in their 30's), they can become fairly fluent. However, some, but not all, do have the same reasoning perception difficulties that young children have - such as "to the left of the red door", or understanding knowledge can be exclusive to individuals "Sally hides the doll in another box while Katie is gone - where will Katie look for the doll when she returns?" etc.

Sometimes groups of these deaf pre-language teens or adults will get together and communicate stories, which is a lengthy and arduous process that involves physical re enactment of the scene they witnessed. A sort of proto-language. It's also interesting to hear them talk about how they thought before they learned to speak - as if through a series of images.

I mean... Try to imagine thought without language, and you get some idea of just how reality warping it is.

>This isn't *generally* true*
rather.

>Sometimes groups of these deaf pre-language teens or adults will get together and communicate stories, which is a lengthy and arduous process that involves physical re enactment of the scene they witnessed. A sort of proto-language. It's also interesting to hear them talk about how they thought before they learned to speak - as if through a series of images.
They also seem to lose their ability to communicate with their old friends after they learn language, to one degree or another.

Though, in the few reported cases where this has been reported, they also express a strong desire to avoid doing so. In one case, describing it as "not wanting to return to that darkness."

Radio program involving said semi-famous case:
radiolab.org/story/91725-words/transcript/

or audio:

podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/audio.wnyc.org/radiolab/radiolab091010.mp3

>that one feral girl who grew up and would hump on the male researcher like a bitch in heat

It's a good thing most scientists are asexual sperglords

Sauce?