BMW vs Audi vs Mercedes battle of the uberauto

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In burgerland they pretty much only sell the smallest roadster and C class coupe in manual. It's kinda shit.

2001 E46 m3 did it in 7:22
2004 C55 amg did it in 7:22
The E46 M3 was notably faster on every other track
BMWs have always set better track times than Benzes, Mercs cant handle as well

>m3 to c55
c55 is a luxury sedan
e46 m3 is a sports coupe

bmw fags literally this desperate in comparisons, and they still cant win LMAO

by the way, the sls amg is faster than anything bmw has put around the ring
inducing that m4 GTS track special that comes with a roll cage :^)
and the c63 is faster than the m3 gts and the normal m4,

bmw literally cannot compete with grandpa cars

C55 is the direct competitor to the M3E46/RS4, what are you on about?
Why blatantly lie about BMW being ''slower''?
>muh nurburgring lap times
SLS AMG did it in 7:44, M4 GTS in 7:27
also
>not knowing manufacturer nurburgring times can't be taken seriously
And the fastest standard C63 on the Ring set a above - 8 minute - lap time, so lies, lies lies again.

Also the new C63 is pretty shit in comparison to the previous one

>c55 is direct competitoor to the m3
>four door luxury sedan
>2 door performance coupe
yep, direct competitor

>bmw fangirls this desperate
lmao

>SLS AMG did it in 7:44
did it in 7:25, but of course being an ass blasted bmw fangirl you cherry pick the slowest time on the list

>And the fastest standard C63 on the Ring set a above - 8 minute
autoblog.com/2011/12/20/mercedes-benz-c63-amg-black-series-turns-in-7-46-lap-on-the-rin/
stay BTFO

>''The C55 is faster than the M3''
>proves it actually is not faster
>waah the m3 is not a direct competitor!!!
LMAO
The C55 is the literal M3 competitor (compact size sports car), it was always compared to the M3 in every review as it was released
SLS AMG set a 7:44 Nurburgring time are you fucked in the head?
>C63 black series
>Black Series, aka track edition
still 19 seconds slower than the M4 GTS.
The standard C63/C63s have no chance against the standard M3/M4.

Mercedes>BMW>>>>>>>>>>Audi/Volkswagen

>Audi above anything

Their cars are even less reliable than that Italian brand Veeky Forums likes to shill recently.

BMW for muh ultimate driving musheen and track performance
Benz for top comfy
Audi for if you really like VW for some reason

I would go for BMW > Mercedes > Audi

All the BMWs I have driven have had a good driving position, logical cabin, nice engines, and they drive well. Audis all seem to have offset pedals, dead steering, really long clutch travel, and a crap ride. Haven't driven many Mercedes, but they are comfy and the engines are decent. Shame they are all automatics though

Currently Audi
Previously BMW
Never likely to be Mercedes

Why does any of that matter at all for an all rounder daily driver, which is exactly what these cars are? No one who buys one is going to be in a situation where a second or two difference round a track compared to a competitor is going to make any difference, it is literally just pub bragging rights.

Surely the more important factors are what is it like to drive, is it comfy, is it practical, how refined is it, how reliable is it etc?

Lap times for normal cars are a meme.

>Lap times for normal cars are a meme.
Where do you think you are?

better lap times = better handling and overall performance and enjoyment

>C55 beat the rs4 and M3
no it didnt lol
C32/C55s are bland, unrecognizable in comparison to the iconic E46

lol

Are you honestly suggesting a car that goes round a track in 2 minutes is substantially and noticeably better in every way than a car that goes round in 2.01? Is it more comfortable? Is it more refined? Is it more practical? Does it handle better?

>Is it more comfortable? Is it more refined? Is it more practical? Does it handle better?
no. but it has a much harsher ride and less forgivable handling characteristics.
bench racers are retarded

2.01 probably not
there is a several second difference between these examples thoughwhich is very noticeable
you can't benchrace comfort but you can benchrace performance and stats

In theory, maybe. In practice, better lap times = driver doing a better lap or environmental variables being more favorable. Especially when it comes down to parts of a second. Laps aren't done in lab controlled environments by entirely automated systems that have zero variation in their driving. You could literally have the wind shift in speed or direction and have that be enough of an influence, or the driver could press the brake a tenth of a second sooner or later.

only reviewers usually do several laps of each car tested and take the best lap times set by said cars

>there is a several second difference between these examples though
i hope there is. one is a big luxury sedan. the other is a coupe focused on performance.

lets look at this though,
>Porsche Cayenne, 7:59
>Ferrari 355 GTB, 8:13

Would you say with a straight face the suv has "better handling and overall performance and enjoyment"

but it does apply to benchracing manufacturer set Nurburgring lap times though.
>c class
>big
what? it's in the exact same semgent as the M3 minus the two extra doors.

>mercedes luxury sedan
>///m performance coupe
>same segment
lmao

Enjoyment, no, because the Cayenne is ugly as sin, and I'd rather walk around a track than drive it. Handling and performance, though, yeah, I'd have to give it to the faster car. You don't get faster laps and by that much without being superior on a mechanical level.

Mercedes is better than BMW in every way these days and Audi is on a completely different level, they're not even considered luxury in europe.

>AMG
>not focused on pure performance
fucking lel
the C55 is powered by a 5.5 liter V8 and is more powerful than the E46 M3

nice source, would read again.

Mercedes is not so good at making sporty affordable cars though
A45 is shit compared to the M2
M3/M4 is faster, better handling than C63
M5 is faster than E63S
M6 is faster than CLS63
X5M is faster than ML63
X6M is faster than GLE63
AMG GT R is really fast though but it costs $200k
Also S63 AMG is still the best full size luxury sedan you can buy

>Handling and performance, though, yeah, I'd have to give it to the faster car
Do you know what handling is? Has nothing to do with how fast a car is.

The 355 is on 90s tire technology
Lots of other variables to make up for that time as well... The Cayenne isnt a better performance car either

>You don't get faster laps and by that much without being superior on a mechanical level
Real life isnt a computer simulation. There are variables which can and cannot be controlled :^)

>retarded bmwcuck benchracer literally thinks a cayenne handles better than a 355 gtb
top kekk

>AMG
>not focused on pure performance
yeah the g wagon is such a performance car :^)

>the C55 is powered by a 5.5 liter V8
and is a 1600kg+ luxury sedan. amazing how it competes with a ///m performance coupe though :^))

also you can't fully disable t/c on non-AMG benzs, tells us how they really are boring luxobarges in general

Jesus when did this place get full of children? I bet most of you haven't even driven any of these cars

I looked up how the C63 compares to the M4 and the C63 won. credibility of this post: gone.

>a car with 25 years of technological advancement handles better than an ancient tech car
Is this so hard to comprehend?
>1600kg
Yeah mercedes does not know how to build a proper sporty performance sedan, for AMG it's all about brute power and straight line performance
you looked up what? C63 slower in literally every head to head test

>1600kg
Ok then lets take the C32 AMG
350hp 6 cyl
better power to weight
less weight than the e46 m3
no excuses
still gets fucked by the m3

>a car with 25 years of technological advancement handles better than an ancient tech car
>Is this so hard to comprehend?
It is if you aren't a mouth breathing retard who thinks numbers from a 12.9 mile high speed track are a measure of handling.
Stay stupid, benchracer.

>2014 BMW M4
>7:52

>C63 Coupe
>7:46
kek

>slowest M4 vs fastest C63
The C63 that set the 7:46 was the track special Black Series and you know it
>C63 Black Series 7:46
>M4 GTS 7:27
>19 second difference
>lmao

>c32
oh so now we are in economy tier, but its still a luxury sedan vs ///m performance coupe

are bmws literally such garbage you NEED to compare them to automatic luxury sedans?
really says a lot

>power to weight is the sole determine factor of how fast a car will go around a track
lmao bmwcucks keep showing how retarded they are

>slowest M4 vs fastest C63
N-no it doesnt count! Its not fair!! Use the lap time of a track special that comes with a roll cage instead to compare to an automatic luxury car instead!!!

TOP
KEK
LITERALLY CANNOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP

bmw fangirls full desperate now

>damage control

Mercs suck on track.
Don't be a nigger about it.

>still found excuses
LMAO you are literally admitting that Mercedes AMG builds slow boring luxury sedans and cant compete with ///M
The M3 is a luxury coupe BTW
You seriously tried to compare the standard M4 to the track special C63 Black Series with bucket seats, a huge spoiler, tons of aero etc
I compared the track special M4 with the track special C63
The track special M4 rapeds the track special C63 and you got this asshurt it's hilarious
>TFW Mercedes AMG sports saloon is slower than the E36 from fucking 1990

>projection
stay btfo lmao

>Mercs suck on track.
thats why mercedes holds faster laps at the ring than bmw, why mercedes has more le mans victories, and why mercedes is DOMINATING f1... right? RIGHT?

bmw fangirls so btfo

>faster laps
7:46 is faster than 7:27?
must be nice living in denials^)

>track special C63 Black Series
Black Series is not a track special. The M4 GTS is. The C63 doesnt come with a roll cage :^)

>bbut bucket seats and spoilers!
So? Fiestas come with bucket seats, and toyobaru comes with a big spoiler and bucket seats also :^)

>he will reply
>he will have more buttmad mental gymnastics
>he will not be able to deal with the fact pigfat automatic mercedes luxury sedans compete directly with BMWs all out ///m performance coupes
TOP
LMAO

>7:46 is faster than 7:27?
No, but 7:10 and 7:25 is faster :^))

>inb4 more damage control, something alone lines of "n-n-no it isnt fair to compare those luxury mercedes to a stripped out roll cage fitted road legal track car!!!"
lmao

The roll cage is optional on the M4 GTS
The C63 AMG BS literally comes with a ''Track pack'', but that is a completely different thing than ''track special'' right? :^)
You KNOW that Black Series is the direct competitor to BMW GTS cars, just trying to act stupid :^)
>7:10
An M4 DTM car lapped the Ring in 6:14
>inb4 more excuses

>literally admitted that Mercedes can't compete with BMW
>damage control: switching to other car segments

>The roll cage is optional on the M4 GTS
the car that set the time had one, bbbut its optional, you dont need it! lmao

>You KNOW that Black Series is the direct competitor to BMW GTS cars
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FUCKING
KEK

>An M4 DTM car lapped the Ring in 6:14
i kek'd too soon, bmw fangirls this delusional and desperate
lets just neglect the fact you are quoting a BTG time LMAOOO

>literally admitted that Mercedes can't compete with BMW
7:10, le mans victories, f1 domination
bmw nowhere to be seen, probably hiding in the corner as BlackManWang enters their wife

>the car that set the time had one
Lol no it didn't have one :^)
BTW it's only purpose is safety in case you roll over going at 160 mph
>muh lemans victories
if that is relevant why is the C63 still slower than the M3/M4?
And why can't the rest of Mercedes lineup (A45/E63/CLS63/GLE63 etc) compete?
Why is the 2001 C32 slower than the E36 from 1990?

BMW won
youtube.com/watch?v=DaZExdTHHjY

>Lol no it didn't have one :^)
i must be seeing things then, i need to visit a doctor lmao
oh wait

>if that is relevant why is the C63 still slower than the M3/M4?
its not. its faster than the m3 and faster than the m4

>bbbut muh roll cage equipped track car!!
lmao

>using a computer rendered image as proof
LOL okay
The non-track C63 could not even get below 8 minutes on the Nurburgring
The track C63 got raped by the track M4
>inb4 endless excuses

just comparing the previous gen M3 vs previous gen C63

Lap times and special racing models aside. I like BMWs because they're one of the few brands that have a 6cyl manual rwd car. Their cars also have a good window to body ratio (audis have a good ratio too).

but none of this 4matic automatic bullshit

>why mercedes has more le mans victories, and why mercedes is DOMINATING f1... right? RIGHT?
Overall Le Mans victories:
Mercedes: 1 (1951)
BMW: 1 (1999)

As for F1:
Mercedes didn't compete with a factory team until 2010. BMW only competed from 2006 to 2009.
>inb4 b-but Mclaren-Mercedes and Sauber C9
MB only supplied the engines.

Yuo faggots dont know jack shit about jack shit. You dont own anything relatable to the discussion, youve never driven anything relatable to the discussion. All you do sitting here behind your PCs benchracing about stuff you know jack shit about. Meanwhile the people with the money for these cars are out there driving, having a good time in their fucking sexy ass merc/audi/bmw while not giving two shits about laptimes and otists

Why so salty?