/ORG/ - Off Road General

>new used
i mean i just need to find a car but one with 4wd or awd is what I really want

Booked our stay for Ouray wildflowers and offroading in July, just before the FJs arrive for their meet up. It's been a mild winter here, so I'm hoping we'll hit the Alpine wildflowers at their peak. With luck I'll have some quality shots for errybody. Wifey will be cameraman with scenery, flowers, and doggo in her sights (I'll request a few of the Goat, for posterity if nothing else). All I gotta do is drive.

Thinking of doing Imogene Pass to Telluride (new for me). Anyone here done it? Seems a blast.

We will likely repeat Yankee Boy Basin, American Basin and a bunch of the passes. I hope it's a fitting farewell to the Little Mountain Goat.

What's the best light bar kit I can get for the dollar? Not looking to give deer cataracts, but it gets mad foggy where I live.

>2004 TJ Jeep Wrangler Sport
>No LEDs since those are verboten here.

> (OP)
>>no map
Agreed

>>no discord
Meh. But I can see the validity of a sticky.

>and for the last time:
>>driving on sand is not offroading

If it ain't asphalt or concrete, its off-road.

>>driving an automatic is not offroading
>>your fucking IFS bitch mobile is not offroading

This is the attitude of a philistine or someone being an obtuse dick. There are perfectly acceptable reasons to want IFS and/or automatic, and you know it. Not everyone needs to be ExxXXXxtreme on bouldering and shit like it's a fucking Mountain Dew commercial. You can relax and enjoy the scenery, you know. Bring the wifey and doggo. They will appreciate the smooth ride that IFS affords after 2 nights in a tent and over 10 hours of trails. You might appreciate the automatic transmission when she asks if she can try driving for a bit and you don't feel like risking a plummet to your death when she misses a gear.

>diesel swap still limited by funds
About a grand left and I should have everything needed for a bulletproof 6.5 that makes good power.

You don't want a light bar for fog, you want fog lights. I love my PIAAs but I suppose Hella 4000 fogs with 3000k HIDs might be even better.

Automatic is preferred for most offroad use anyway.

Never implied I was a smart man. What do you recommend for fogs then, user?

You want a wide pattern, good cutoff line, and a warm color temperature. I've got PIAA 520 Ion Yellow fog lights and they're fantastic. I haven't tried Hella's fog beams yet but given my experience with the rest of their products they should be great.

Whatcha thinking about these?
aliexpress.com/item/3-5-Inch-LED-Fog-Light-30W-12V-24V-LED-Fog-Lamp-Auto-Lighting-Led-Headlamp/32733930770.html?spm=2114.13010308.0.0.Wkm8Ej
aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Led-Fog-lamps-12V-24V-CAR-led-Driving-light-beam-3-5inch-4inch-square/32733942837.html?spm=2114.13010308.0.0.Wkm8Ej

>this injures the explorer

Both terrible. You want a flat cutoff for fog lights.

...

What can you get for the same price?

Nothing that's going to be especially useful in fog. Start putting money away. Save up $60-100 and you can pick up a pair of second hand PIAA fogs on ebay. Might even be able to find them cheaper on CL.

75W or higher

These are actually the only led lights i saw that have focused light pattern. All them lightbars flood the fuck out everything in front of you.
Also it sounds a little retarded to use glowing piece of metal as your light source in 2017, why not led?

kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/kenora/1991-toyota-land-cruiser/1244060684?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
>mfw location

Also, any help with the gearing questions and towing? Has upgrade tyres help me more with tow rating?

Because old cunts live here and run the city council that bans LED lights because they're too bright for the elderly. Even if you you're not running them, or have them covered you'll still get ticketed.

>why not led?
>All them lightbars flood the fuck out everything in front of you.

Because of the difficulty in developing a cost effective manufacturing process that offers acceptable control over the beam pattern created by LEDs.

HIDs reign supreme in applications like this. LEDs make the best flood lights.

engine is probably gonna die soon, other that that, he told it as it is in the discription

>Due to the low rpm design and cast iron construction of these engines, it is not uncommon to see them reach over 480,000 km (300,000 miles) before needing a major overhaul

Also it's a massive gas guzzler.

>cost effective manufacturing process that offers acceptable control over the beam pattern
Lenses can focus anything, what's the big deal? Those two chinese lights are focusing led light pretty well.

Don't fret too much, LEDs are trash for fog lights anyway.

The taller tires hurt towing performance. See Taller tires or taller gears (lower numerically, think 3.08) do the same thing, and hurt effective power (towing performance) in favor of fuel economy. This is why when you get into fullsize trucks, many half tons are 3.08, 3.42, or 3.73, while 1 tons are generally 4.10 and medium duty trucks offer 4.30, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, and 5.38.

can anybody help me out/

>LEDs are trash for fog lights anyway
That's correct for bright white leds, what about yellow?

I've got a set of 6" KC Apollo pro fog lights on my Jeep, good cut offs. They were aimed a bit high in this snap cause I was dick around to see how far they'd light up. Once they were properly aimed I run em in traffic without pissing anyone off.

slap yellow film on top of the lens and bam.

>big ass SUV Chevy
>off roading
This is laff

Save up your monies and spend it once. I bought these cheap fogs for $65 and for about 2.5x the price the KCs just completely shattered them. They had the output I wanted from the beginning. Plus they come with a really nicely built wire harness if you're not so electrically inclined at making your own.

>Lenses can focus anything
In same sense that a satellite dish can amplify a signal. You still need to point the dish at the satellite in order for it function, and likewise you need to control the light that enters a lens in order for it focus into a well controlled pattern.

Those 30w shitheeps they call fog lights not only fail to produce a fog beam, but thet also produce far less light than my 18w ebay special LEDs. It's likely that this is due to them simply trying block out portions of a much wider beam rather than focus all of the light.

It's correct due to both color temperature and beam pattern. LEDs are a terrible light source choice for creating a fog beam pattern and the technology behind LEDs makes it hard to make them a warm color temp without simply filtering out blue light. This is why likely 90% of LEDs on the planet (if not all) are 5000-6000k before light filtration.

wtf m8 did you destroy your upper control arm or what?

hard to tell from potato cam

Just because your bitch ass can't fit a full size down the trail doesn't mean the rest of us are as pussy as you...

Might still need your muddin' tires. Winter in the west has been intense. Current snowpack in the Ouray area is at 130% of average for this time of year.

I paid $60 for my PIAAs here plus $30 for an HID kit. Couldn't be happier with them. In the rain at night it just looks like the road is glowing a yellow/green color and the cutoff means they aren't blinding for everyone one else.

>proceeds to smash his bumpers in and scrape the shit out of his fenders and rockers
Sure showed me lmfao

Maybe of you're not aware of the size of your vehicle and/or simply don't know how to drive a vehicle that size.

I swear I consistently see people in the smallest cars having the most trouble parking and maneuvering tight spots.

>Those 30w shitheeps they call fog lights not only fail to produce a fog beam, but thet also produce far less light than my 18w ebay special LEDs
Why would you say that if you have not seen them irl? That's a bright light spot on photo, how is that worse than what you have?

Not bad user, I've been thinking of swapping out the bulbs when one goes to ones with a yellow tint for better vis in snow. But for now they're still great.

They look dim even in the advertisement, and if you pay attention to the color, most of the pattern is cool white with a yellow ring around it that fades to red. They're trying to pass off a cool white driving light as a yellow fog light.

>tfw yellow PIAA 2700k lightbulbs in my headlights

Didn't know that. Its been crazy mild in Denver this year. We've had long
stretches of 65-70 degree days every month. Will cross fingers, I guess.

My friend drove around in a 3F FJ62 firing on 5 cylinders for almost two years. Replacing spark plugs halved his fuel consumption.

I take no joy in driving faulty cars.

LEDs can't pierce water because of their lack of redshift. They don't have infrared light overlap to save on electricity. Great for seeing things up close, horrible for fog, snow, storms, etc.

Get LEDs if you're in the desert. 75W+ if you're anywhere else - especially early morning fog and blizzards.

>LEDs can't pierce water because of their lack of redshift. They don't have infrared light overlap to save on electricity. Great for seeing things up close, horrible for fog, snow, storms, etc.
Well... That sounds smart enough.

Otay so here's the full autism mode I went on the mountain goat a while back when he was looking for good fog lights:
Regular bulbs burn full spectrum from 300 (UV) - 800 (IR). IR spectrum light from 700-900 take up a LOT of energy since they give off heat. LEDs counteract this by emitting visible light between 300nm - 500nm with a steep dropoff at around 600nm. This light is great for dry climates and air.

However, it bends (refracts) in the presence of a denser air (moisture heavy fog for example) or water. Redshifted light (500+) bends less and therefore has more piercing power. The downside is that 40-70% of their energy is used up as waste heat instead of light so people don't use them to light their homes as much as they used to.

Fog lights CANNOT be LEDs because they refract and do not end up piercing through the moisture heavy (and thus denser) air. This is why I recommend over 75W because the higher power drain is probably shifted to the infrared spectum and allows more redshifted light the pierce fog and all.

I personally have 75W KC Apollos and find they do the job for anything I need except direct dry climates (bitch lights solves that). And perhaps really thick, spring, early morning lake fog.

Lol nice anecdote sure showed me damn

Statistics are made up entirely of anecdotes.

Me and husbando have been reunited for a few weeks. First weekend back we cleaned up a car show, people's choice and 2nd in the jeep class.

>husbando
>pumpkin
>nutcracker
ok

Well blurring is just drab.

damn my work computer has that tay-censored image of deucey. did you save it?
Also congrats on the sweep! post jerp pls

here are my KC Apollo series i got for $125.

More pics later. So exhausted.
And I didn't save it.

>husbando
>being a faggot

she's a woman you furry autist

I don't see any tits senpai

me neither desu
still bae tho. dun care.

Trans or what?

way to assume xitsd gender shitlord

>enjoying 4wd
>enjoying spending time in company of guys going outdoors where nobody can see you
>not being a faggot

Boys, girls, autistic faggots. Please calm down. Remember, in the fucked socialist libtard shit world we live in now, you can be whatever you want. That being said, I am a girl, not a faggot parading as one either.

Night Deucefag

post your butthole

What's wrong with the location?
Where are you located - I assume south Ontario or Michigan? I'll make a trip up there with you if you give me a bit and if we can overland for min. 3 days on the way back

Check in discord cunt

It was never posted in this thread REEEEEE!

Haha, it's alright. It's gone now anyways.
discord.gg/h3GfH

QUICK, WHAT ARE CHEAP OFF ROAD WORTHY CARS FOR AROUND 1K US DOLLARS IN CALIFORNIA

Surplus.

At $1000, every car is offroad worthy.

It's an offroader, not a show car. Much more fun to fit full size junk down trails people say you can't instead of wheeling the same toyota or jeep that everybody and their cousin has.

This.
It's a just a 1/2 chassis bolted to the bulkhead.

Congrats, deuce!

>thinks tits make the woman
>not liking DFC
Nobody's perfect, i guess. Not all of us can have good taste.

Just buy a Samurai, friend

I appreciate your info and knowledge despite you being a literal swiftposting faggot.
Keep up the good work!

>Fog lights CANNOT be LEDs because they refract

Not really. The refraction issue only is significant when the droplets approach the wavelength of light. No way are fog/rain droplets this small.

Fog lights are yellow (actually blue is filtered out, passing longer wavelengths) because human eyes have trouble focusing blue light. Blue always looks a bit fuzzy with indistinct edges. That's why shooting glasses are also yellow (filter out blue light).

The problem with LEDs is that 'white' is usually created with a blue or UV emitter and a phosphor layer that converts some of that light to longer wavelengths. So cutting out the blue would make for an inefficient white LED.

One could make an LED lamp by starting with RGB arrays and throwing out the blue LEDs. But the individual red and green emitters would have to be packed tightly or individually focused to eliminate color fringing. And LED fogs aren't a big enough market to justify the engineering cost.

>No way are fog/rain droplets this small.
Water molecules are literally three atoms.

I'm staying out of the fog lights war. All I know is LED doesn't like fog.

>All I know is LED doesn't like fog.
That's 90% of what you need to know.

But the Chevy is what everybody and their cousins have

Crow's pc deded

Find a manual 2nd gen xterra, very solid.

>/ORG/ Suburban Edition
>not buying a Suburban

>implying there are more Chevy full sizes on the trails then either Toyotas or Heeps...

I see chevy's out in the desert all the time, ofc only on dirt roads and never actually in the technical shit

No one here does the technical trails that they use as justification for buying overpriced shitheeps.

damn look at this, textbook sour grapes

Oh look, someone's disappointed the facts don't fit their narrative.

I agree, I daily a 2007 Xterra. Parts aren't too hard to find either because the VQ-40DE engine is used in the Pathfinder and Frontier of the same years. If you find one make sure it has an S mod though.

Overland all the time in my overpriced shit heap.

You can overland in a 4x4 converted u haul. It's not justification to buy a 4Runner or Wrangler over a fullsize Chevy.

Sorry man, but uncited anecdotes and opinions don't constitute "facts".
Stay assmad though fangirl.