/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

>dragon isn't weak to lightning
>"well pack it up boys, he's clearly won this battle"
Gwyn was a bitch

Oh man seriously? I had to farm to upgrade my GS haha, Im having more trouble here than i have in the entire game. I thought all dragons were weak to lightning?

Why is combat in dark souls 3 so clunky?

UPDATED

Because everything else in the game is Bloodborne.

It just doesn't fucking work.

The real reason he's not weak to lightning is that all of the DLC bosses have high elemental defense across the board and they didn't bother to make lore-friendly exceptions.

Even the fucking tree-people resist fire.

DELET THIS

Oh fuck me, do I really have to run around ice city smacking random walls hoping for illusions? I've only found the wall that leads to nothing and the railing that opens the first shortcut.

Is level cap for ds1 also 120? Should I just go for base stats to use this baby?

God dammit.

So would an uninfused weapon serve me better? Im not even sure I have the chunks to upgrade another GS

>Is level cap for ds1 also 120?
710

Reposting

All we know is angels are somehow connected to pilgrims. We don't know how or why, just that they can't die unless the pilgrim is killed. It looks an awful lot like a projection, but it could also be like what the player character does with red eyes and white signs when they send their phantom out into other worlds. The "projection" could just be their soul dislocated from their body.

We don't know much about souls other than the fact that living things have them and humanity (human dregs) separate from them to sink into the deep after death. Maybe when the darkness drips out of a human soul, what you're left with is an angel? The Darklurker's soul was unusual in that it looked like a normal yellow-white soul in the game that took special care to make all dark-related souls purple. Why did a creature who lived in the deepest part of the abyss have a soul that wasn't purple? There wasn't any darkness in his soul, not like Nashandra or Velstadt.

Alternatively, angels could be an entirely separate thing from the pilgrim trees, and they just come up from the deep to guard them. We haven't seen the angel's death animation yet, we only have vaati's word for it. It could look exactly like its entrance animation and just be vanishing in a pillar of light to teleport off to whoever the fuck knows. There isn't enough information to say yet, really.

It might even be that we are the pilgrim and Darklurker is our angel, considering that our literal title in the covenant is pilgrim.

I mean the soft cap. The community set cap.

For daggers, should I be 1hing or 2hing them? I've been 2hing them so far, but I wonder if there's really a point since it's a raw bandit knife.

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120 yeah.
If you're planning on making a build tonight, I'd like to tag along. I want to recreate a poison build I fucked up a long time ago.

Could you tell me about your saint bident build? I tried it and couldn't get it to deal much damage

Everything heals too fast, the upgrade system is railroaded, the bosses are "hard" but not traditional dark souls hard a "Lets kick up dust but also spam moves" kind of hard, I really hate it, in Dark Souls 1 if you know what you're doing you can go ham, and fuck shit up at trade blows super quickly, in dark souls 2, it's slower and you heal slower but you can trade hits still, dark souls 3 is the a mix of both and it's absolutely fucking horrible, and I mean PVE here, not PVP.

Everything just spams shit and your character's damage isn't jack so you're left just baiting attacks waiting for an opening, since you can't tank hits without poise and have to rely on hyper armor to get anything done.

Every battle is so fucking crowded too, you've got to lure every enemy you fight or else you'll get over run with enemies from every distance.

I hope to christ they release a Dark Souls 3" Fixed all the weird shit edition

If Humans are destined to turn into Angels after their Darkness falls way, then perhaps its the Angels who recreate the First Flame again, as it's mentioned in Dark Souls 2 that after the Fire goes out, lights appear in the Dark and start it all over again.

Yes, just like they released a DaS 2 Fixed all the weird shit, but no, not really, we actually changed a bunch of meaningless stuff.

DaS 3 will never be fixed. Get over it.

Drop your shield, Woolie

2H has much more reach. The 1st 2HR1 is the best move in the dagger's moveset. The followup R1s also keep stepping forward to keep up as your attacks push staggered enemies away

1H will trigger bleed faster if you can sandbag something because the R1s chain more quickly and cost less stamina. It has much less reach and has less of a step-forward.

When you find Farron Keep, keep going. On the other side you'll find the place where you can get "Carthus Rouge." That item is the bread and butter of the bandit's knife, live by it.

It's not a Saint Bidet build. It's just your standard Quality with Faith points for DMB. It's not optimized for it. For Saint Bidet, you actually want 60 FAITH and buff it with DMB. That way it becomes pretty much GFS.

Getting SPOOKY for the DLC

Thanks, looks like a fun build

>130

You don't have to be so vague user, this is my fourth character. But yeah, I haven't gotten to rouge yet, I'm on Farron Keep now. I also have the Corvian Greatknife and the Brigand Twindaggers and I'm trying to figure out how to really use them and when. So far "if it has a shield, use corvian" is my rule, but I'm still playing around.

I'm thinking the second possibility is the more likely one, actually. How is a soul by itself going to spontaneously grow a body? If that were possible, the Lord Souls wouldn't have needed anyone to find them. I just didn't want to leave out anything in case they did turn out to be projections. If the Deep Gem's description is referring to angels that live in the deep, then it's more likely that they aren't human at all but just interact with them on some level.

One of the reporters who got to play the DLC talked about how the angels would attack abyssal enemies when they weren't targeting you. Maybe angels don't like the abyss. Maybe that's why Darklurker attacked us, because we'd gone too far into the abyss and learned a bunch of ways to twist and distort the normally peaceful dark.

Which is all speculation. This DLC actually seems interesting unlike AoA.

Your rule should be generally:
If it takes less than 5 hits to kill, use the Corvian
If it takes more than 5 and isn't immune to bleed, use bandit's

Brigand's suck, sadly. They're never better than the corvian. Just use them when you're bored of stabbing things and want to be flashy.

Also note that because the dagger R1 recovers so quickly, you can hold forward while attacking and go R1->wait->R1 with a rhythm to stunlock enemies while repeatedly using only the 1st R1 thrust. The timing of the pause takes a little getting used to, but the 1st R1 is so good that it's worthwhile.

Maybe the Angels are trying to keep the Deep peaceful and pure. Invaders must die.

I don't know why people settle for 120. It allows for weaker builds get health while also allowing other builds to put points in other requirements like Faith and such.

I usually try to aim for 60-80

Because the higher your level goes, the less diverse builds become. I've done the math, and at SL120 you have ten distinct builds assuming two offensive stats at 40, or 15 distinct builds if we include the ones that push a single stat to 60 instead of going for two. For comparison, SL250 has four distinct builds, all of which are some variant of quality and only one of which doesn't include spellcasting of at least one kind.

There are a couple of illusory walls, and aside the railing, they're pretty obvious. None of them really lead to anything important.

the fact that the angels are tethered to the Pilgrims somehow is telling. and the Pilgrims sure as fuck aren't peaceful deep, they're 100% abyssal as fuck. if the Angels were truly Abyss-hostile they would sudoku asap.

Also worth noting that the DSA, being controlled by "Pilgrim Butterflies" is counted as an abyssal target and receives more damage from the Wolf Knight GS. It also has massive dark defense.

That's good and all, until you realise most of that variety is pointless. The best 120 build, quality, with 10 more points doesn't get as strong as other 120 builds getting 10 more SLs.

They can't vitgouge, endgouge, get bigger poise breakpoints or get many great spells.

That's disappointing about the brigand's because they seem kinda cool. For bosses that can be bled, is Corvian + Rouge stronger DPS-wise than Bandit's + Rouge? Also nice tip about the R1. That shit's ridiculous. I also have a Fire Dagger for fighting the rare enemies that fire messes up, but I don't think I'll use it much outside the the cathredral... I wonder if I should even bother upgrading it since I've stunlocked those shits to death in NG+4 with an unupgraded torch.

Meta levels were:

>DeS
level 120
>DaS1
level 125
>DaS2
99 in ever stat
>BB
level 98
>DaS3
level 125

Forgot to mention, that's only "technically 10-15 distinct builds", since the vast majority of them are non-functional due to lacking enough equipment options to be a complete build. In reality, the stats at SL120 may allow for 10-15 builds but the way infusions work and choices for uninfusable gear means only 2-3 of those are viable while the rest are trash.

Sorry, meant to add the bit above in. Our only hope for build diversity is if TRC adds more uninfusable weapons for all the so far unsupported build types.

vaati's gameplay notes say that killing the angel normally results in it immediately respawning, but that somewhere in the level is a dead pilgrim with a fleshy growth coming out of it, which if attacked kills the angel

Kinda explains NotOrnstein in DS2.

bandit's + rouge is better.
Corvian + rouge is like an unbuffed bandit's knife with like 30 more AR
Bandit's with rouge bleeds twice as often, which far and away compensates for the small difference in AR.

I thought that DaS2 ornstein was a cosplayer in Ornstein armor.

Speaking of which, are Ornstein cosplay builds effective in DaS3?

>ten diverse builds

Really? Besides that, I don't really think 10 extra points would change much. The most "meta" build wouldn't gain much. I have a Quality kept at precisely 120 because their really is no other purpose to go higher unless you want fatter armor.

Okay! I don't know how much time I'll have to play though. It won't take me long to run down and get the sword but I wanna figure out my build first. All I know is I wanna use gravelord sword and pursuers.

The highest build I have is level 93 at NG+3. It doesnt feel necessary to go any higher than 60-70 for pve and the lower the SL the less cancerous the pvp. That is, until you get to 1-20 which is overflowing with twinks. My favorite save is a SL 40 STR build.

I heard interesting things about Bleed Brigand's. Do you know anything about that? Something like its bleed is through the roof?

Trash
Lol
Dime
Faggot but I like spooky so it's okay

>The best 120 build, quality, with 10 more points doesn't get as strong as other 120 builds getting 10 more SLs
On the contrary. Refined infusion doesn't actually softcap at 40/40, that's just its first point of diminishing returns. Refined continues to get good scaling up to 60/60, and will outpace Hollow at any level. The only build Refined doesn't outpace on a level-per-level basis is casters, and in there case it's more like becoming actually functional since casters don't even start to meet all their basic stat needs until SL140.

Eh. Average at best. Weapons with innate bleed are where rouge really shines.

Fuck off.

>not summoning Solaire for Gwyn

>summoning

Other than the Brigand Dagger, what other notable weapons have bleed? I remember a scythe on my other character that had bleed. I'm planning on sticking solely to daggers but I'm just curious.

L1s hit twice, which makes paired weapons good for building status effects.
Unfortunately, they don't apply the full bleed value with each hit, more like 75%, so the full L1 is like 1.5 hits instead of 2. In that sense, bleed brigand's would still build bleed slower than a rouged bandit's knife, and do less damage since the infusion kills their AR.

That was probably a strong gimmick before the fixed tumblebuffing, but right now bleed-infused weapons can't be buffed and the infusion isn't as good as rouge.

Filter and ignore.

Best post.

>not summoning Gwyn for Nameless King

>pretending that parrying Gwyn to death is somehow an accomplishment
>not letting your friend find his sun

Talk about disappointing. Thanks for the input, user.

The returns are pretty shit for refined though. Other builds are bad because they can't reach softcaps.
At 130, refined will get meaningless 10-20 ar at best for damage, while those builds get 10 more points into stats they haven't even reached the first major softcap yet, gaining far more benefits than quality.

>not parrying him so hard it becomes an accomplishment

>>DaS1
>level 125
You mean 80-120

>>DaS2
>99 in ever stat
You mean 150-175

I would if I could tbhfam

Most weapons I'm looking at would only change in damage at about 10-15 hitpoints.

Refined could simply dump an extra 10 into Vigor for 100 extra HP with favor+2 and life+3. I have a character with 50vig and I can't tell you the number of times I've survived some attack or another with barely a sliver of hp.

Changing your tripcode doesn't change anything, lucy. You're still getting filtered.

Irina of Carim is lewd and shameless!

Carthus Curved Sword
Warden Twinblades
2kat
Claws

Most curved swords have innate bleed, as do most scythes and whatnot. Very few weapons are actually good at bleeding, though, because it requires being able to attack fast at low stamina cost. Warden twinblades are probably the best weapon in the game for applying bleed specifically. 2kat and claws aren't particularly special outside of the fact that their WA can be abused for instableed combos in pvp. Carthus is the best non-washingpole weapon in the game and coincidentally happens to have bleed and be buffable.

I want to do forbidden things to Irina.

any drawfags on right now? can I request a picture of ashen one giving evil books to irina and her being scared?

>yfw you realized the reason enemies are so fucking relentlessly spammy with their attacks is because it's the only way they'd be able to hit players with rolls being as strong as they are
>yfw this is also the reason enemies slide around excessively while attacking as well, even when they logically wouldn't move as far as they do, it's just so they can still hit you if you dodge away from them
>yfw most of the player's tools haven't been similarly upgraded in response which is why you can just roll through everything another player throws at you/have another player just ignore everything you do to them by spamming roll

Making rolls so strong was the biggest fucking mistake for the longevity of this game FROM ever made in the history of making games

If fastroll was the current midroll and the current midroll was DaS1 fastroll things would be much nicer.

Had I not looked it up, I never would have learned that her voice actress also did Lucatiel in DaS2. It's actually kind of amazing how different they sound.

Corvian scythe is cool, gravewarden twinblades have so much bleed build up that you could kill people with one combo before the nerf, carthus meme sword, and bandit knife are all pretty awesome.

>land consecutive hits with a refined club on my Hollow build
>opponent dies before bleed built up

>when you forget your pic

A 130 build would have a boost to kill you in the same amount of hits. Even faster if they're using weapons that need too many stats.
It'll only get around 50 more hp with both of those rings.

>playing embered

What are you? A ganker?

Yeah the voice actors for the Souls games are top notch.

is yuri pure enough to be allowed under WoW celibacy restrictions?

The base bleed on most weapons isn't enough to trigger bleed through R1s before killing a pvp target. That's why rouge is 100% necessary.

Mugen says unembered hp at 50 vig, favor+2, and life+3 is 1,501, and 1,401 at unembered.

100 more HP, not 50. Also not a ganker. Red signs still get full embered HP though, and at that point you'd have 1,951 instead of 1,821.

A quality build is at 44 vig, 1455 hp, that is a 50 hp boost

Yuri is the purest form of love, and love is the purest thing of all.

Whoever said WoW has celibacy restrictions?

It had Rouge though. Maybe that weapon is just really bad for bleed build up.

>44vig
Right, I keep forgetting my quality character is knight instead of warrior because I wanted the FP.

poise when?

working as intended

Or too good at bonking things

>yuri is the purest form of love
but what if it's yuri rape or hardcore yuri bdsm?

now