Le 3 trillion killer man

>I DONT TRUST LE EBIL GOMMIE GUBMENT BUT LETS TRUST THE NUMBERS OF THE GUBMENTS THAT OPENLY HATED LE GOMMIE

[citations needed]

Not even a Nazi sympathizer, let alone Hitler apologist, but censuses are real, the only deaths were unintentional/usual.
Do you know how we know they weren't real? Because they dont fit in with other censuses. There weren't even 6 million Jews in Germany

What I'm talking about is pure fucking logic, what citations do you need?
But here:
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_Census
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_All-Union_Census_of_the_Soviet_Union
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1959)
I mean, are you shitposting or something?
That image alone makes sense, how the fuck could Stalin kill 60 million people in addition to 25 million that died in conflicts during his rule?
That's some 80 million people, literally half of Soviet population. Such depopulation, even with growth, would literally cripple USSR in every sense, there would be a huge gap even today.

There were 11 million Jews in Europe (according to Nazis). Most of Jews they killed weren't German Jews.

And yet there were more than 5 million in the consensus after the war
Explain this

11-6 equals 5?
Besides those censuses after war weren't really precise.
If you wanna disprove Holocaust, which I really don't give a fuck about, or Jews, you should try some other approach, because this one is dumb as fuck. Nazis themselves operated on 11 million number, it was probably bigger.

>11-6 equals 5?
>were MORE than 5 million
>weren't really precise
Niether were stalins
I don't give a fuck about the Holocaust either, im just showing that you either can't trust government consensus, or you deny the Holocaust to support Gommunism

You're comparing totally different things.
Russian and Soviet censuses show continuity.
If 80 million people were killed, there would be a huge gap even today, not to mention people would notice 50% of population gone.
It's literally impossible, do you understand?
It never happened. Stalin's victims were 10 million, which was tragic and all, but reasonable number, including famine of course.
Stalin's direct victims were 2-3 million people, and famine was 6-8 million according to most estimates.
Even fucking Robert Conquest claims 7 million died in famine.

>SOVIET GOVERNMENT DATA IS RELIABLE. OTHER SOURCES ARE IMPERIALISTS AND FASCISTS AGAINST THE WORKER'S PARADISE

CAPITALIST GOVERNMENT DATA IS RELIABLE. OTHER SOURCES ARE GOMMIEZ AND MUDZLIMZ AGAINST THE FREE MARKET UTOPIA

>Replying with Soviet censuses
You aren't really helping your point.

M-M-M-M-MEGA KILL

No matter how many Stalin, guys rull the world, the problem is as all the people who don't do nothing to change !

>soviet census
>accurate
They imprisoned the census makerecords for making bad news now go be a jew somewhere else

>damage control
maybe its time to grow up

>person shilling for a dead ideology telling me to grow up
Lmaoing at ur life

Not even a gommie but in fairness dude he rekt you with actual evidence.

Crying about how all his evidence must be fake and then shitposting is not an argument.

>soviet """"evidence""""

>[Citation Needed]

Wow you are dumb

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Soviet censuses add on Russian Empire census and are followed by censuses undertaken by succeeding republics.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Census_(2002)
Just track back from this census.
145 million citizens in Russia.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1989)
147 million citizens in Russia. 137 million in 1979 census in Russia.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1970)
130 million citizens.
Source is here: demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/sng_nac_70.php?reg=1

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1959)
117 million citizens in Russia.
Source: demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/sng_nac_59.php?reg=1

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)
This one is controversial, and people were imprisoned as this guy says But that's because numbers were lower than anticipated. Preliminary results have shown 162 million people in all USSR. Stalin expected 180 million.
So new one in 1939 was undertaken and it manipulated results, and it showed 170 million people.
Of course, this is 170 million in entire USSR.
103 million were in Russia. This is an accurate number, the one that was suppressed.

In Ukraine it has shown 28 million.

Census from 1926 has shown 100 million people in Russia, and in Ukraine 29 million.

As you can see Ukrainian number declined despite the fact that it should've grown, because of famine obviously.

So, going from 1926, numbers were, for Russia, 100 million>103 million>117 million>130 million>137 million>147 million. It adds up, and there's only one big gap, as you can see between 1937 and 1959 there was an increase of only 14 million, obviously due to WW2 deaths.

So explain me, where can you fit 30 million more dead people in all this? Let's say 30 million, because we're only counting Russia.

And don't use meme arrows and ''''''''evidence''''''''' bullshit, every government including Soviet one needs accurate data and in this case data shows continuity, it adds up.

And finally, just use your fucking brain, how the fuck can someone murder 60 million people in the span of around 25 years, in addition to 25 million that died in WW2, in a country that had 160 (or 180 with territorial acquisitions before WW2 ) million people?
That's almost 50% population, do you understand that? It would cause total collapse, and you're talking about a fucking country that fought WW2 and produced some 100,000 tanks among shitload of other things, and mobilized 34 million people in the army during WW2.

How the fuck do you think they did that, when 50% of their population was killed by their own government?

Thing here is, you know well my argument makes sense and your makes none, but you're so desperate to convince people Stalin killed 60 million so you use an idiotic cheap argument that Soviet censuses were all rigged, despite the fact that makes zero sense and the fact they show continuity with censuses after the collapse of USSR.
Get fucked you butthurt idiot, go back to /int/ or /pol/ if you want to spread propaganda, this is a board for history.

This, right here. Ten million is a plausible kill count, and larger figures tend to come from western sources in the Cold War (ie, people who couldn't access a lot of information on the USSR and who had a reason to exaggerate)

Ten million, sixty million - either way you put it, Stalin was a violent tyrant with a lot of blood on his hands. You don't need to pull unrealistic numbers out of your ass to prove that he won the genocide olympics.

>Stalin was a violent tyrant with a lot of blood on his hands
Exactly. I'm not a communist or Stalin sympathizer, I'm simply somewhat knowledgeable about history so this 60 million meme looks idiotic, and is most often used by fucking Hitlerboos who while claiming Stalin killed 30 bazzilion claim that Hitler never harmed a bee.
Just fuck off with that mentality.

>west hates the soviets
>stalin kills millions of them
>west demonizes him
???

Stalin's a symbol of the crookedness of the Soviet system. In killing millions, he kinda proves (to the West) that the soviets have no regard for human life except as it benefits them. We demonized him because he was a demon, not because he did something that hurt us.

cringe

>Stalin's a symbol of the crookedness of the Soviet system. In killing millions, he kinda proves (to the West) that the soviets have no regard for human life except as it benefits them
that's just regular russian mentality, hardly the soviet system

Not really, never in history of Russia was there a ruler as brutal as him, ignoring Mongols of course, who were enemy.
Even Ivan IV wasn't so megalomaniac and brutal.
But that said, his murder count is vastly exaggerated, as we have demonstrated ITT.

>Soviet data is unreliable
>Western data, on the other hand, is 100% accurate and there is no possible reason why they would want to exaggerate kill counts to make the Soviet Union seem more evil