Inevitable decline of Native Americans

we made it 2 da iorn age boyzzzz

Then learning to work iron is accomplishing nothing?

When did Europeans first accomplish anything?

I saw a nigger using a smartphone once

does that mean africa has reached the computer age?

Because Africa is fucking huge and cut off from access to Eurasia information/trade. Europeans had everything their PIE ancestors had learned plus everything from Sumer onwards. Mali didn't.

In the most literal "How would they get there" sense it's a laughable notion because sailing is non-existant in Africa outside outside of areas where it was introduced by outsiders.

Unless we're talking about a divergent timeline or some such where Carthage expands into Africa instead of the Mediterranean, Africa would never be colonizing anywhere except Africa.

It's part of global civilization, so yes.

it has very little to do with landmass

china literally dug a canal halfway across the country because tehre were no suitable rivers, and carried rocks to the tops of mountains to build a 2k mile wall to keep horses out

human agency is more important than environment

behold, space age africa, in the most developed country in africa

So places where more humans are advance faster. And these places grow in population. But without the environment to support that population, you can't advance. So environment is still below human agency in the hierarchy of importance.

Ffs guys don't shut up the thread.

full of flaws
>places where more humans are advance faster
no. places where people are smarter advance faster, and in turn, create more people
>without the environment to support it, you can't advance
you can literally take a swim off the african coast and dive in shallow water and come up with a lobster.

europeans and chinese MADE the environment habitable. you can tell via a soil sample how long an area has been farmed.

ask.metafilter.com/215052/How-to-break-land
it's called breaking land

land is a generational investment, generally requiring at least 2-3 medieval generations to begin reaching peak production potential.

fwiw the middle easterners turned their land into desert via intentional flood irrigation. it's what also created the plagues.

north africa used to have roads lined with olive trees that the romans planted so that they could enjoy them on patrol. then of course, the camels came in andtrampled and destroyed all the land, turning it into desert

china and europe are blessed with good land because they never ruined it.

To be fair, the Roman part of North Africa was a sliver that's right next to the sea, they didn't go in that far.

The Native Americans were always going to fall because no matter who contacted them no matter what their intentions would have spread the same diseases that wiped them out in real history. You must understand that literally 90% of Native Americans died from the unintentional spread of old-world diseases, the vast majority of them not even being aware that europeans existed. The reason the Puritans had so much unused land available to them for instance, was because european fishing boats before them had unknowingly killed almost the entire native population with disease.

there is roman monumental architechture that is far enough inland in currently desertified areas, that they were undiscovered and unreplicated by natives for nearly 2k years.

it's direct proof that thse areas used to be farmed, and that there was an event that desertified more of the area than was previously. camels are a pretty good theory.

arabized peoples managed to desertify large areas of land that are naturally RAINFORESTS in iran and india.

they destroy the land, making it impossible for farming peoples to survive or reconquer, then they progress to the periphery of the next civilization and begin salting their land so that it's unreclaimable.

every single time.

>Then aliens invaded, destroyed the Iroquois (Or rather saved the Huron and all of the Indians living in Michigan)

well that's after the Dutch aliens gave the Iroquois guns for beaver pelts and then told them to go and culturally enrich everyone living West of them

This was lost and turned into a spanish shithole

they would have died if any old worlders came their. Didn't matter if it was africans, asians, pajeets, arabs or whatever.

Well Chinese philosopy and shit is wasn't as expansionist as European philosophy/religion at the time. Chinese valued order whereas Europeans thought they were saving humanity by conquering the Americas.

Well I imagine its why you get differences between say a Norwegian and a Iranian or Jew. They may be all caucasian, but theres going to be huge variety in differences.

>tfw you realize you will never walk down the streets of Tenochtitlan.
>tfw you get grabbed off the street by men with hideous piercings and cricket bats covered in atom sharp rocks for looking different
>tfw you will never be have your still beating heart excruciatingly carved out of your living abdomen for the entertainment and illusory salvation of some savages

Well idk what would happen if Chinese invaded, but the religious mixing would be interesting, since I think it was closer to what many natives believed in than christianity.

Piercings aside from the ears were not that common among the Aztecs. Typically only nobles, priests and warriors had anything more than ears pierced and their nose and lip plugs looked actually pretty cool.

China was going through a period where they were exploring the world and spreading their influence throughout the world. But it cost a lot of money and the nobles were pissed that eunuchs had more power then them. So when the emperor that was doing all of this died his son sided with the nobles and burned all the books and knowledge that was accumulated.

Yes, but mind you that "exploration" was simply them joint port to port of well traveled trade routes asking for tribute for the right to trade with China.

Not the guy you're replying to, but damn dude. Never heard of that. They do it on purpose? Care to give some reading material. I'm legitimately interested.

it's half intentional, half not.

they intentionally take a scorched earth policy to warfare, as burned fields take generations to resow and feed a population capable of striking back

half of it was unintentional because they destroyed their own lands because the farming classes were typically conquered peoples, who were then genocided, and the camel/horse owning herders were the noble classes. so they would grow their herds until it destroyed the land, then move on. it so happens, that, by happenstance, it makes it nearly impossible for eastern europeans or goths to resettle land that has been destroyed.

no particular sources that get to the "interesting meat" of the matter, if that in particular is what you enjoy.

but a fairly cursory understanding of balkan/iranian/indian/north african history makes this pretty clear. other people KNOW that this is the case, which is why they often have to-the-last-man blood feuds with muslims in those areas.

it's not uncommon knowledge. without using that poison word eurocentric, we are just kind of ignorant about history.

Thanks, bby. I'm smarter now.