What is the best handling classic muscle car?

If you mean full size muscle car, either a charger Talladega, superbird, Mercury cyclone spoiler or any other wing car that was a homologation Nascar special.

It's a pony car.

>nascar special
These can't handle though
They just go fast in a straight line

Road courses where a thing my dude

I'd love to ruin one of these with a modern suspension/tires/engine/chassis bracing. I don't want a barge, but damn does it look good.

Didn't oldsmobile tornados handle a lot better than most other cars its size and weight?

Miata with a Boss 302.

>tfw

Handling? I thought muscle cars were more of a point and shoot kind of vehicle.

Some are. Road racing and circuits are still huge here, but most people tracked Corvettes and Datsuns back in the day, or older British sports cars

>Handling? I thought muscle cars were more of a point and shoot kind of vehicle.
Depends on the car, some were but many could handle a lot better than Veeky Forums thinks.

youtube.com/watch?v=2eno46ooYm0

inb4 butthate from civic owners

Yeah, they actually handled fantastic despite their oddball drivetrain and like said, it set a new Pikes Peak hillclimb record- not a class win, but an overall win.

The Toronado isn't usually counted as a muscle car, though, more of a personal luxury yacht. The standard Cutlass and especially the 442 and Hurst/Olds apparently handled marvelously, pretty much every publication around at the time praised them for it.

youtube.com/watch?v=NpmxaamNwhw

>drifting
>handling
right...

Define handling because that Charger is handling quite well for something with that big of a wheelbase.

why you hating bro? did you even watch the liink?
That Charger was putting on a slide show.

Doesn't take a well-engineered car to spin the rear wheels

So i guess it's doing it better than your civic huh?

Anything plus mawds

It's not as much of a barge as you'd think- a '68 2-door Cutlass has almost the exact same wheelbase, body length, and width as a new Ford Taurus, but less soap-boxy proportions, an engine bay you can sit inside, and is about five hundred pounds lighter.

Shit, hit submit too early.

>1968-1972 Olds Cutlass
>Wheelbase: 112 in (2,845 mm) 2-door coupe, hardtop and convertible
>Length: 201.9 in (5,128 mm)
>Width: 76.2 in (1,935 mm)
>Curb weight: 3,515 lb (1,594 kg)

>2011-present Ford Taurus
>Wheelbase: 112.9 in
>Length: 202.9 in (5,154 mm)
>Width: 76.2 in (1,935 mm)
>Curb weight: 4,015 lb (1,821 kg)

that guy always posts muscle cars sliding and thinks it means they handle well

usually its clips straight from movies lel

that said the Charger had wishbones and torsion bars up front so it was pretty good compared to your typical muscle car

same reason the 50s Hemi cars would outrun everything on the backroads

and stuff like the 442 had coil springs all the way around

>that guy always posts muscle cars sliding and thinks it means they handle well
>usually its clips straight from movies lel
And just like every other thread you can't even offer a shred of evidence to counter me.

How many posts until a V6 Camry is mentioned lel

i drive a 2nd gen trans am you fucking moron.

i do drifts and donuts in it all the time but i'm not dumb enough to think that means it handles well

just shut the hell up, you asking us for evidence that muscle cars can't handle well is so dumb that you might as well be asking for evidence that water is wet

sorry youre retarded and not worth arguing with since all you do is shitpost

I will give you 1 reply

youtube.com/watch?v=2J4KdQQIzW4

check it out though lorrys handle great

That's like asking which F1 car has the most storage space

>i drive a 2nd gen trans am you fucking moron.
Okay who cares?

>you asking us for evidence that muscle cars can't handle well is so dumb
Wrong. It's perfectly valid because this isn't a video game, there is no tag on a car with a bar that describes it's handling. Handling is a broad category of traits that should be characterized individually you fucking mong.

Sorry you're too retarded to pull any single point of evidence from Google my friend.

That would be the McLaren F1, obviously.

Does that luggage come with the car though

Hurst Olds 442
Challenger T/A
Barracuda AAR
Cougar Eliminator
Dart Swinger/Demon

I owned a Demon, so I am biased in saying that it has the best track potential out of any muscle car. The 340 block is a miracle engine.

Yes. It also has the car's chassis number embroidered into it.

here's your evidence: literally everyone who has ever driven a muscle car in real life disagrees with you

fucking idiot lol

>durr muscle cars can't handle well prove me wrong atheists

do you even have a license?

>step on gas
>do babby's first drift tier slides at 15 mph
>"WOW AMAZING HANDLING"

Veeky Forums is actually this retarded

>literally everyone who has ever driven a muscle car in real life disagrees with you
I beg to differ, people bandwagon opinions all the time, take this board for example.

Of course you still don't understand that steering has nothing to do with suspension travel but this is no surprise because you don't know what "handling" is.

>Of course you still don't understand that steering has nothing to do with suspension travel

where did i even mention suspension travel?

i also have raced karts (which don't have suspension, in case you've never seen one) since i was 10, so once again, you could not be more wrong.

Have you ever driven a muscle car? Because I doubt it.

>people just say muscle cars handle well because bandwagons
Yeah, I'm sure it's not because they weigh 2 tons and have some of the least sophisticated suspension ever, with horrible weight distribution to boot.

Actually one of the more retarded things I've ever heard on this board.

>its a super car that could be turned a family car
>super car
Seems like a extravagant choice of words although i don't have a good grasp on general speed in that era nevertheless Oldsmobile seem like they were making some pretty cool stuff. i wonder what they'd be making if they weren't bogged down by GM.

Shelby Cobra

thats not an exaggeration at all

the term "muscle car" didnt exist back then and high performance cars such as the Hurst Olds Hemi cars and the like were "super cars"

and yes brands like Olds and Pontiac made a lot of cool shit that never really made it to the street for various reasons

thats a sports car

>where did i even mention suspension travel?
Wow, you're so fucking retarded you don't even understand that i'm the one who brought it up kys.

>Have you ever driven a muscle car? Because I doubt it.
3 my faggot.

>eah, I'm sure it's not because they weigh 2 tons

Not even some of the most pigfat muscle cars weight 4000 lbs.

>inb4 he links a Pontiac Catalina

>least sophisticated suspension ever, with horrible weight distribution to boot.
About time you use some fucking logic.
Now i want you to quote in this thread exactly where i said any muscle car handles well.

The only thing i said is that they "handle" better than Veeky Forums thinks you autismo.

>Not even some of the most pigfat muscle cars weight 4000 lbs.
not him but the dodge hellcat is 4400lbs

The ws6 78 trans am with the w72

Talking ofc about classic muscle cars.

They didn't have much in the way of safety equipment.

Oh look it's the retard that thinks because you can step on the gas and go sideways, muscles cars dont handle like shit

Protip: that's not a good handling characteristic :^)

You got btfo last thread you tried with the bullshit
Dont be a a dumb fuck for a second time

Muscle cars do not handle well
End of fucking story

>video of 69 charger vs a fucking fwd Honda minivan
They literally do not handle well and there's your actual proof

>Not even some of the most pigfat muscle cars weight 4000 lbs.

most of the big muscle cars were around 3,800 lbs with zero options

it would be easy to get them close to or even over 4,000

>i wonder what they'd be making if they weren't bogged down by GM.
A modern 442 to make the Hellcat twins scram with their tails between their legs.

A man can dream.

>most of the big muscle cars were around 3,800 lbs with zero options
Funny because i just looked up a well optioned 1970 challenger that weighed 3006 pounds.

>most of the big muscle cars were around 3,800 lbs with zero options
Kinda of an exaggeration, 2500-3k was normal

Not the user you're talking with but muscle cars can have sophisticated suspension. It's just that not as many of the classics did and even if they do have nice suspension it's usually designed to soak up potholes and bumps for a smooth ride. The the shocks blow out after 1000 miles and they just Bob around after that

yeah youre full of shit since the shipping weight of a hard top Challenger (no options, base engine, bare minimum shit) weighs 3,006 lbs

so enjoy your bare bones 6 cylinder I guess

Challengers also arent big muscle cars since they are pony cars

what are you smoking

>yeah youre full of shit since the shipping weight of a hard top Challenger (no options, base engine, bare minimum shit) weighs 3,006 lbs
Correct

2-door coupe body type
RWD (rear-wheel drive), manual 3-speed gearbox
petrol (gasoline) engine with displacement: 6277 cm3 / 383 cui, advertised power: 250 kW / 335 hp / 340 PS ( SAE gross ), torque: 576 Nm / 425 lb-ft
characteristic dimensions: outside length: 4859 mm / 191.3 in, wheelbase: 2794 mm / 110 in
reference weights: shipping weight 1543 kg / 3402 lbs base curb weight: 1610 kg / 3549 lbs

>Challengers also arent big muscle cars since they are pony cars
My actual ass, That's like calling a fucking F250 a ute.
Still waiting for someone to quote me where i said muscle cars handle well btw.

its not that big though

>From MY 1970 to 1974, the second generation Dodge Challenger pony car was built using the Chrysler E platform, sharing major components with the Plymouth Barracuda.

keep in mind that something like a Boss 302 weighs 3400 lbs and isnt much smaller

>its not that big though
Compare a 1970 Barracuda (rebadged challenger) to a 67 barracuda.
Even then, if you want a different example, the 1970 Plymouth Fury is still under 4000 pounds, that's a fucking boat mind you.

These cars only really started getting heavy after the oil crisis but by then they were muscle cars in name only.

except stuff like Chevelles, 442s, Chargers all weigh 37-3900 lbs

even found an old Car and Driver where they have a Buick GS 455 weighed down to 4,300 with options

>except stuff like Chevelles, 442s, Chargers all weigh 37-3900 lbs
At least post a source or something.
>even found an old Car and Driver where they have a Buick GS 455 weighed down to 4,300 with options
Well that's fine but a Buick GS is more of a luxury car then a muscle car.

Motor Trend for Chevelles

motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-big-block-chevelle/

442
442restoration.homestead.com/infopage.html

I dont really feel like tracking down all of them but the damn shipping weight of them were all 3600-3800

muscle cars were not light

>muscle cars were not light
Fair enough

Probably the AC Shelby Cobra.

Don't forget the mustang GT 350r! More or less a race car right out of the box

...

Camaro.
All hail the 1968 and 1969 winners of the SCCA Trans Am race series

can't say i've driven many, but my vote goes to amc javelin

>tfw Eastern European
>tfw all we have here are stupid European variants of "oldtimers" such as Ford Taunus or Capri
>tfw there's like a handful of them in the entire country and there's nowhere to drive them anyway

What do :(

>all we have here are stupid European variants of "oldtimers" such as Ford Taunus or Capri
are you seriously badmouthing European Taunuses et Capris you shit eating slav ?

>tfw Eastern European
youtube.com/watch?v=QiFBgtgUtfw

No, they're great, but the point it that it's an extremely limited selection of models because "muscle cars" weren't really a thing in Europe, and no one sells them anyway. You basically have to buy it from Germany, and even there people mostly keep them for themselves so there's very few on the market.

If you want an "oldtimer" you basically have to choose between Mercedes and BMW...

>What is the best handling classic muscle car?

One word: Thundercougarfalconbird

I know someone said "theres no such thing as a stupid question"
That someone has never seen OP

Buy a v8 volga

or buy a zhiguli and drive slow in style

>burgers arguing over 4000lb shitboxes
>everyone ignores the one true asnwer

Chrysler Charger E49

>not a muscle car

what

>where did i even mention suspension travel?
>what is reading comprehension

>challengers are pony cars

haha holy shit