Why are manufactures going to making smaller engines more efficient rather than making already liked-by-all engines more efficient and more powerful?
For example : The Ford Raptor went from a beefy V8 to a V6 making the V6 more fuel efficient and powerful. Good, but why didn't they try to make the V8 more powerful and fuel efficient?
>This seems to be the trend and it doesn't make any sense to me.
>What are your reasons or answers to this?
Also, you as a customer, do you like it?
Its easier to have a turbo engine and stay out of boost during the EPA test than do something intelligent like skyactiv.
skyactiv is faggots i just want to pollute
ford is a shit. There you go. The correct answer. Enjoy your aluminum bed and v6 lol.
>but why didn't they try to make the V8 more powerful and fuel efficient?
Diminishing returns.
This, but even then the turbocharged engine will still generally be more efficient when worked (provided both engines are both providing the same output) as power density is usually in favour of a turbocharged engine.
>why didn't they make a V8 more powerful and efficient
because it's impossible to get 510 lb ft of torque while achieving those mpg numbers out of a V8?
Nobody actually cares about mpg except the EPA. Trump will take care of thatsoon enough.
>Trump will take care of thatsoon enough
Like all the other shit he's taken care of so far :')
>nobody actually cares about mpg
Sure, if you consider 90% of all drivers "nobody". Not everyone is a fucking autist who screams muh v8.
He's done plenty. The swamp rats are coming out of the wood work when they defy him.
90% of humanity are nobodies.
yea, and 90% of humanity are the ones keeping these companies alive you fucking idiot.
Another thing is a big V8 is more heavier than a Turbo charged and more efficient V6. Less weight means more mpeeeegeeees
No it's the men that buy V8 trucks and SUVs that keep them afloat. They have the highest profit margins.
Cucks buy ecoboost and the profits are so garbage they were considering moving production to Mexico. But don't worry, Trump is working on preventing that too :)
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Ford 3.5 Ecoboost:
>450 HP @ 5000 RPM
>510 Lb Ft of torque @3500 rpm
6.2L LT1 Chevy:
>455 HP @ 6000 RPM
>455 Lb ft @ 4600 RPM
there's literally no reason to use a v8.
64% of the F150's sales are from the ecoboost lineup. Statistics show that people value performance over sound.
>He's done plenty
[citation needed]
>6.2 LT4
>650hp
>650 lb ft of torque
>cites an engine that will never be put in a production truck
great example
>GM fangirls confirmed strawmen
LMAO
Will they ever recover?
>GT350 lawsuit
the lt4 corvette cant drive at load for more than a minute without going into limp mode
a lt4 truck would straight up explode trying to haul the typical truckcuck around
I don't mind it
it wont be as dramatic anymore though, i read recently that we've essentially hit the limit of downsizing. Engines can't get smaller and much more powerful than they are right now, atleast in a reliable manner.
more likely to start seeing more and more hybrids than engines getting smaller.
>trying to deflect attention away
Ford F150 was still the best selling vehicle in America during the recession.
There is a very vocal minority of drivers out there.
You used to be cool Alphonse but not anymore.
>there is a very vocal minority of drivers out there
see
as of 2015 more than 64% of the F150's sales came from the ecoboost lineup. The vocal minorities opinion's are irrelevant and stupid. Money talks and money says that people prefer function over form.
>In the rise of consumers buying trucks just for the sake of driving something big and not using trucks as trucks
>V6 truck sales on the rise
You're not proving anything.
Fine theory but Ecoboost real world mileage in the F150 is abysmal because at the end of the day it's still a fucking truck.
If people gave a shit about mpg outside of twitter activism there would be a lot more prius' on the road then there are now.
MPG is just a convenient bonus on whatever car Chad or Stacey is looking at on the lot.
Surely even you see it, bro trucks and jeeps are just getting more and more popular and you need the cubes to match.
>you're not proving anything
neither are you. any statistics backing your claims?
people care about mpg. they also care about the environment. why do you think electric cars or so popular?
easier to make a smaller displacement engine efficient than a large one.
Turbos are efficient essential displacement on demand so that smaller efficient engines can be made while still producing powr and torque like a larger engine.
>why ford ecoboost blah blah
Because the old 6.2 liter V8 in the raptor was useless. The previous 3.5 ecoboost made more power and more torque to the wheels while being more efficient. Going to the 3.5 ecoboost, especially the new high output one was a substantial upgrade over the 6.2 V8.
Ford outright cancelled the 6.2 entirely because it had no place when the 5.0 Coyote and the 2.7 and 2.5 ecoboosts exists.
See pic related.
Itt: v8 fan girls getting blown the fuck out
>they were considering moving production to Mexico. But don't worry, Trump is working on preventing that too :)
Thank God. What I wanna do is spend a couple thousand dollars more on a car I would otherwise pay less for. God bless president Trump and God bless America!
>why do you think electric cars or so popular?
Because it's trendy.
>people care about mpg. they also care about the environment.
No they don't. They may care on the weekends or the internet.
Ask anyone sitting at a red light to give up their car for a day and ride a bike.
Not only is the Ford F-series truck the best selling Ford vehicle ever it's also the best selling vehicle in America hands down.
Ecoboost trucks even get less than 20mpg.
People don't care, the statistics prove it.
Why would they even? There is no tangible effect on people for driving a gas guzzler besides a slightly thinner wallet.
>b..but global warming
Is not noticable to the average American.
Even in the recession, when nobody had money people were buying more trucks then ever.
No my friend, the gas guzzler still has a heartbeat and a strong one at that.
Weren't 80s oil crisis cars usually fitted with huge but efficient engines? I seem to recall the Pontiac Firebird using a low power big V8 to save gas. Maybe the point was revving less with an engine that doesn't get lugged because of how big it is?
No, the oil crisis sucked horsepower out of cars without tackling the real issue that they just had vast displacements.
it was all based on emissions, not fuel consumption.
>people don't care
your delusions aren't reality. sperg more.
>your delusions aren't reality. sperg more.
Take your own advice.
Keep crying, I'm using your tears for hydroelectric power.
Large displacement was the only way to really make power back then. Then with primitive emissions equipment choking up the motors more displacement was really the only way to make any power.
This is not the 70's. We have small displacement turbocharged engines that make more peak power and more torque at lower rpm than is possible even with a large displacement V8.
what does that prove autist?
The best selling car during the recession was a gas guzzler crybabby.
nobody cares about the environment.
>statistics from 10 years ago are relevant to today
lol
Protip, before posting again make sure the Ford F-150 isn't the best selling vehicle in 2016, because it is.
So many oversights in one post.
>it's still a fucking truck
It's relative.
>If people gave a shit about mpg outside of twitter activism there would be a lot more of this irrelevant option on the road
Running costs are a major consideration for businesses and contractors of whom operate said pickups, but you'd understand that if you didn't spend 75% of your day dwelling a basement.
yes, and most of its sales come from the ecoboost lineup.
It's pretty obvious people care about the environment
Ecoboost motors provide the most power and torque in the F-150 lineup.
People care about power.
>It's relative.
It's less than 20mpg.
>Running costs are a major consideration for businesses and contractors of whom operate said pickups, but you'd understand that if you didn't spend 75% of your day dwelling a basement.
Nice theory but fleet vehicles are slowly moving to hybrids anyway.
>yes, and most of its sales come from the ecoboost lineup.
Which still gets less than 20mpg.
It's a gas guzzler sorry.
>It's pretty obvious people care about the environment
Your tears sustain me
>literally no argument presented
You jumped to a conclusion based on F-150 sales being ecoboost. I proposed an equally valid conclusion one could draw from what you posted.
Deal with it fag.
>It's less than this arbitrary number
...relative.
>Nice theory but fleet vehicles are slowly moving to hybrids anyway
That's exactly my point. I'm not really sure if you were trying to make an argument, and failed horribly, or if you were trying to confirm my point but you're too socially inept to convey yourself in such a way.
>Which still gets less than an arbitrary number
>It's a gas guzzler sorry
Need a source as to what measure constitutes a "gas guzzler".
I didn't jump to a conclusion I presented facts. stay btfo
>This btfo
lol i almost feel bad i ruined your day
Next time know what you're arguing about, champ.
There really was no argument kek
>know what you're arguing about
that people care about mpg?
You jumped to the conclusion that people buy ecoboost F-150's because they care about the environment. That isn't a fact, thats an assumption.
It is just as, if not more likely that people buy more ecoboost F-150's because Ecoboost motors are the top of the line motors for the range and offer more power and torque in a vehicle that relies on power and torque as a selling point.
>thats an assumption
nope. stay btfo
>nope.
post source showing people buy ecoboost F-150's because they care about the environment or stfu.
>...relative.
20 is bare minimum for not being a gas guzzler.
Relative is a poor man's excuse for the wife.
>Need a source as to what measure constitutes a "gas guzzler".
For 2016 the EPA slapped gas guzzler taxes on vehicles with more than 20 mpg sorry bro.
>that people care about mpg?
Wrong btfo.
There's no point in convincing him, his vagina has already been slagged he's trying to pick up the pieces now.
>spoon feed me mommy
>btfo
stop writing autobiographies
>trump supporters are pedophiles
why am i not surprised?
>makes claim
>claims it as fact
>cannot back it up
>tries to damage control his way out of it
Just what I thought faggot.
>nah-ah, you prove it
>you jumped to the conclusion that people buy ecoboost F-150's because they care about the environment
I was talking about fuel economy and running cost.
Also still awaiting on this citation.
>>btfo
>stop writing autobiographies
>>trump supporters are pedophiles
>why am i not surprised?
Welp i guess i can count another notch on my bed for internet victories if this is all you have left.
Pic related, one of the many faces of crybabbyphonse.
it's because of emissions. it's easier to get power from a turbo engine while staying within legal limits than it is to do the same to a naturally aspirated motor.
also they provide better torque for the MPG that you get which is very important for towing.
>>nah-ah, you prove it
you have no idea what burden of proof is and your trolling is shit tier
>spoon feed me
not an argument
>20 is bare minimum for not being a gas guzzler.
Good thing it's EPA rated for 20mpg combined... And that's the 4x4 model.
By your very definition, not a gas guzzler.
BTFO
>makes claim
>expects other people to verify his bullshit claim
not how it works fag.
>spoon feed me
yea, no.
>not an argument
Not an argument.
>Good thing it's EPA rated for 20mpg combined
Good thing EPA ratings don't reflect real world MPG.
>you have no idea what burden of proof is
That "burden" is on the person making the initial claim So please, spoon feed us :)
>not an argument
not an argument
>spoon feed me mommy!
this desu
>Good thing EPA ratings don't reflect...
What a gas guzzler is? It actually does :)
That wasnt me, you made the claim here:
That people buy ecoboost motors because they care about the environment.
You have not backed up that assertion.
I provided a coutnerassertion taht is just as if not more probable here:
en.wikipedia.org
>spoon feed me mommy
>not an argument
not an argument.
Wrong.
Ecoboost trucks rarely reach 20 mpg highway as reported from the owners themselves:
f150ecoboost.net
While cars that regularly get 21mpg get a gas guzzler tax.
You see the EPA is retarded but by their definition the Ecoboost F150 is a gas guzzler.
>not an argument
not an argument
>spoon feed me mommy
>wrong
>as reported by this confirmation bias
>it's a gas guzzler even though it isn't
You can't make this up
>not an argument
not an argument
So you concede?
>not an argument
not an argument
Okay bye
>literally ragequits
>spoon feed me mommy!!!!
>>literally ragequits
Bro i have other things to do like drive GM products.
>So you concede?
You've already done that when you provided the citation against your own argument.
Most popular fullsize pickup is literally not a gas guzzler.
>spoon feed me mommy!
stay btfo
>You've already done that when you provided the citation against your own argument.
>Most popular fullsize pickup is literally not a gas guzzler.
Wrong.
Wrong.
dude you got thoroughly btfo in this discussion. as evidenced by your resorting to this shit trolling.
Try harder next time and dont say stupid shit if you dont want to get trashed on.
>no i dont care if you respond with some shitty troll attempt to this. go right ahead.
>spoon feed me mommy!
stay btfo
your delusions aren't reality. you're the only one who got btfo.
Wrong.
Not even the one you were arguing with. I just ran across this autism fight and noticed how shit of an argument you had and how terrible of a debater you are. You got btfo
night sweet cheeks.
not an argument
stay btfo.
u wan som fuk?
ur mom already gave me some
If ford or chevy made a muscle truck and stuck an inline 4 in it, i would totally buy it.
Wrong. I'm a test tube baby.
>muscle truck
That's the most redundant name for anything I've ever heard.
every truck is """""muscle"""""
stay btfo
I'm going to blow you the fuck out
stay btfo