/rlg/ - Roguelike General

I do on lantea, it still has my SpEn i started weeks ago..

I might give him a spin on berotato, now that you mention it. What race/class should I go

frog something

oh, there's a HO of trog on right now, I'll see if I can wrap up that 3 runes quickly

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How much new content is in the paid version of Caves of Qud compared to the free one?
I've only played a little of it but the theme is killer.

What do I do if webtiles is only showing a black screen except for player stats HP MP etc. on the upper right, minimap and player log?

I have no idea

Berotato rlgrobin has 2 runes, some sick jewelry, a +9 vampiric demon trident, and gauntlets of war. Logging off for the next rlg user.

>Crawl devs make a ""unique"" gimmicky X
>remove classic X for being "bloat" or for not being "interesting enough"
You can replace X with whatever you want -- monster, race, background, item -- and you'll find examples of this happening.

>unironically taking the devil's lipservice seriously

They have no reason to remove literally anything from the start.

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why would you ever polymorph self

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I think I got polymorphed by hell effect or miscast or contam, definitely did not purposefully polymorph myself

Did PCB-R remove all the world options and stuff??

guise, is half beast mc: owh only?

mc: owh is available on pc, isn't it?

Wait what

>33 ?tele
>22 ?recharging
>/tele

This is the reason why /tele and the other no-brainer wands needed to be removed

It's on pc

How about just reducing recharge spawn rate?

How about removing ?recharging, spawning wands with their full charges and leaving recharge entirely to pakellas

Idk how to beat silence-casting panlord zig levels without /tele and the disk.

You're too terrified to move while being watched!

removing wands of tele will make enemies that know silence considerably more dangerous. Not necessarily a bad thing, but an important thing to note

The amount wasn't the issue at all. The issue was that you have a consumable that gives effect 1+has a separate spawn rate AND another separate feature+separate spawn rate that gives the same effect 1. That's stupid and unnecessary given how much ?teles you already get per game. Spawn rate of ?teles were buffed as compensation but the point here is that the screenshot had an unbuffed spawn rate and yet he already has 33 (thirty-three). Even getting a surplus of 20 is already too much, this means that the ?tele spawn rate buff was completely unnecessary.

is PCB as insanely complex as the pasta makes it seem to be

There are important differences in how they function though. Reading tele is affected by one mutation, and zapping tele is affected by a different one. Zapping tele also cannot be silenced. So removing wand of tele would not just be bloat removal, but a significant addition to danger.

>Mennas
>Ereshkigal
>Random Pan Lords
>Silent Specters
>Random monsters reading Silence Scroll

Also they have already removed the most plentiful source of tele, the evocable ring. As much teleporting as you can eat for. If you were undead or know lich form, then infinite teleporting. So, they have already moved the number of teleports you can have from infinite to finite. That means they have already infinitely nerfed teleport. That means leave tele alone!

Lads

it's very long, needs a ton of resistances, and mobs capable to two-shot you while you need multiple turns to kill them are common

it has a lot of stuff too, yes

Can't say I disagree with most of their cuts.

Mountain Dwarf - redundant
Sludge Elf - redundant
High Elf - questionable

Stalker - was shitty thematically, now they just need to remove potions of draining and excise the last dregs
All them Zealots - good riddance. Should get rid of Berserkers and Chaos Knights as well.

Replace Fireball with Iceblast - non change
Remove wand of magic dart - redundant with flame
Remove cold/fire/draining - why do we need every elemental damage type for bolt wands?
Remove invis/haste/hw/tp - good, they were unnecessary crutches.
Remove slowing - redundant with confusion, they serve the same purpose

Revamp evocables - Rods were stupid strong if you found them early. New evocables are much more balanced and less spammy.

Remove badpots - they just need to get rid of the last one. badpots were a bad idea and they only stuck around as long as they did because of Stalker

Almalgamated enchant weapon scrolls, removed curse item scrolls - enchant failure was stupid, curse item scrolls were largely meaningless. They should get rid of random uselessness as well.

remove racial weapons - again mostly meaningless flavour that rarely affected weapon choice.

removed spiked flails, ankus, and a couple redundant weapons. replaced random weapon names with slightly different numbers with genuine weapon type variation. sound good to me

What great sin have the devs actually committed? The game is more challenging, takes less, time, is more streamlined, has more real variation in weapons/spells, and is no less fair than it was in the past.

>Zapping tele also cannot be silenced

That's scummy since it trivializes a supposed to be threatening debuff. Now is a good time to use your brains instead of stupidly relying on no-brainers.

t. crawl dev

Whats the generally accepted options

> -cTele removed from tomb, elf 3, bottom of hell branches
>no more item destruction
>no more queasiness from chunks

I'd say that the older game was tougher. Although, speaking of item destruction, I think that was one a thing that made wands of hw/tele/haste very valuable, that they were indestructable. Now that there's no item destruction, there is less reason for them to exist.

Another thought is that if they thought haste was too powerful (which it was) and they took out the spell, then they should just take out the charms school. What charms spell would someone want past XL10?

regen

Does anyone have the new Alpha 14 Cogmind? Want to test the new difficulties. pls.

the ones that I play with that are different from the defaults you show there are:
easy_id, easy_lore, ironman_quests, half_fixedarts, and turn off enable_virtues

However, half_fixedarts is more for when you've already seen and gotten sick of the standard artifacts. Virtues are flavorful and cute but really message spammy, which is why most turn them off. No_wilderness is good for a pure dungeon divey game but personally I like multiple dungeons and having an overworld, even if in the long run the game takes longer.

-ctele was removed because control teleport itself is gone

Using your brains = cheesy scummy playing. Scummy playing is not the same as no-brain playing, often it is the opposite. Teleporting in a bad situation is a no-brainer choice, but keeping a pet shadow imp from D5 to the end of Lair in order to grind animated corpses for TSO piety is not a no-brainer choice. Sadly, the devs took that away, shadow imps don't know animate corpse anymore. Keeping a pet adder through lair so that you can bottleneck a hydra behind it and keep the hydra raging in conjured flame while that poop adder bites at you was fun too, but the devs took that away when they made non-similar monsters able to swap places. Lots of summons shenanigans went out the window too.

Now the only way to play is brainlessly. Less and less shenanigans, just straight fights where your stats either match up or they don't.

There are still scrolls of blink and the spell cblink, which are overpowered as heck now in those areas.

-ctele was never meant to nerf cBlink, it was just collateral damage
It's job was always to prevent rune stealing with 2 teleports

What's wrong with stealing a rune in 2 teleports? With -cTele and other game factors considered, there were really only 2 runes that cTele was worth using to steal, the Lair runes.

>Tomb, 4 Hells, Slime, Abyss
all had -cTele
>5 Pan runes
Mostly worked, you didn't have to face the unique pan lords, but you still had to slog through for the demonic(s), and you weren't granted an instant exit
>Vaults
even with magic mapping, rune could be in 4-12 places depending on configuration
>Lair Branches
If you were lucky enough to have disposable teleport and a ring of cTele by then, why shouldn't you be able to use them to steal a rune? Why can't my gameplay choices in some instances be very largely affected by equipment drops? Why can't a MuNe of Kiku have a piss easy time in Tomb, why did they have to add so much holy shit? Why can't some parts of the game be really easy for certain combos and other parts be really hard?

What exactly is the vision that the devs are trying to exact into reality?

>What exactly is the vision that the devs are trying to exact into reality?

they want it to be a bad version of Sil

Huh what?
What do you mean, I haven't removed such things, intentionally at least.

Considering everyone hates crawl so much in these threads you guys sure love to talk about nothing but it

Its hard to stop suckin' that D

Its more of hating the devs than hating the game

Context for that image: a deep elf stopped to eat some chunks, then a deep elf archer showed up and killed him before he finished, because back then eating didn't allow you to stop in the middle, and it also took like 6 turns.

also no gourmand

and interrupted by werewolves

And raw flesh tasted TERRIBLE.

don't hate the playa hate the developa

>108hp

eh the pet shadow imp piety farming specifically is definitely a no brainer once you figure it out or hear about it, in that it's just easier and better than not doing it. Cute trick that's neat to learn about? Absolutely. But once you know about it, there's no reason to not use it for every character able to benefit from it which in turn warps game play and balance.

>open the door
>splat on the floor
>what the fuck's a cyclops doing on D:4

Hey guys, I'm playing an orc of Ru, mostly because I didn't realize he didn't use invocations, and now I've cleared all of the dungeon except the tomb and also got the abyssal rune.

Just how dangerous is the tomb these days, anyway? Will I need rN+++?

Tomb is an utter shitfest now that you get pretty much perma slowed, perma poisoned and triple tormented every turn

Guess I'll grab the orb with just 5 runes then, thanks.

What's the suggested weapon for a FoFi? Axes or Long Blades? I'm sorta worried about Hydras

>Just how dangerous is the tomb these days, anyway? Will I need rN+++?

It's pretty dangerous, yeah. Maybe less so since it's the only(?) extended branch where you can stairdance, but it still has dangerous moments.

If you can't quickly deal out a ton of damage to a wide range of enemies (via summons, AoE spells, invocations, or otherwise) then the difficulty ramps up pretty considerably. But, again, you can stairdance the most dangerous areas -- the first entrance to Tomb:2, the second entrance to Tomb:1, and the entrance to Tomb:3.

Block goes before dodge
Which means you cant riposte on a block

Maces in that case? Or do I just stick with an exec axe? The whole axe thing looks appealing but at the same time if you're not using killholes then wtf are you doing.

Maces crosstrain with Axes, so Axes are still good to use as main weapons. And Axes are great for dealing with popcorn.

But with 0 aptitude for both Axes and M&F, you might be better off with Maces, since they require less skill to get to mindelay.

why was someone saying that if you're going with a shield you should always get long blade

General /rlg/ misconceptions or what

>>Tomb, 4 Hells, Slime, Abyss
>all had -cTele
yes that's the point user
the REASON they have -ctele
is to stop people from ninjaing the rune with 2 teleports

hydras are speed 10 user

>walk around corner
>hydra right there
>its now sticking to you forever

>General /rlg/ misconceptions or what
Probably

Good post

they were probably talking about notants
1h axes are shit so it's down to longblades or maces
and maces don't have a meme gimmick so some anons have irrational hatred for them

Jesus fucking Christ, wanted to play Cataclysm DDA after a long time and they changed half the game. Are the devs always this autistic, or is it just Granade?

Which mods do you use in DDA?

generic guns

>you slice the ogre like an onion!!!
>you cut Sojobo open like a turkey!!
There's no way these are coincidental.

Also why is Sojobo a girl now?
One more waifu for me I guess.

Mostlikely talking about Fo, but arent axes the best wep for them anyway?

Most of the "more bloat" ones.

Depends on 3rune or 15rune
Maces are insane for 3rune since you can pretty much always fight in a killhole for 1v1

imagine if the game actually showed you how much damage you dealt and the calculations it used

instead the debiloids in charge make you deal choko damage )))) huilo

Eh, the ones that already are "integrated" in the main branch

not really. Mechanically it's about the same as *bands but has much more content. IF you've ever played any *bands it's not complex at all and you'll be able to clear stronghold within your first few characters.

it is significantly harder than vanilla angband though because of shit like failrates on wands/scrolls, resistable -teleportother, etc

Against the advice given to me I actually decided I was strong enough to do Tomb because I'm a stupid motherfucker.

You guys weren't kidding about torment and stair dancing, nearly died twice.
Not bad for a character I only play on the bus.

it looks like your tiles are slightly too small for that font, they are getting cut off on the bottom and right edges

no idea how to change that in dcss though, much less on mobile

4 consecutive misses with lightning bolt

holy fucking shit why did I decide to play AE

Yes to easy lore, yes to easy ID, otherwise good to go

For some reason the internal folder is hidden from BotnetOS' browser.
I should connect it to my PC later to see if I can unhide it.

After grinding in the abyss to recover my stats I'm now going to attempt to escape with the orb, wish me luck!

Nodens, Lord of Shit couldn't handle 180 power confusing lights either. And it's not like he didn't try, with the whole "summon the unicorn and Bahamut on sight" tactic.