Engineering profitability:

yes, that's the beauty of it. the name scares away retards but in reality chemical engineering heavily involves reactor design and industrial processes.

petroleum engineering is just a specialized subset of chemical engineering, the same as materials engineering and civil engineering, software engineering and computer engineering, and aerospace engineering and mechanical engineering. there's never really a reason to go for the more specialized subset unless it really interests you, because the more general engineering disciplines will keep more doors open for you. generally the overlap is so large that there shouldn't be more than two semesters difference in terms of courses between the more specialized and the more general discipline. depending on the university, and if you play it right with tech electives you can probably even get it down to just 1 semester of courses differing.

It actually sounds quite interesting, chemical engineering that is.

Engineering is only overcrowded if you don't care to surpass mediocrity. If you can't distinguish yourself from the people in it for the money who have to pay some asians to help them pass Calc I, you don't deserve a job.

How is the market on US for industrial engineering to have the muh money sterotype?

I wouldn't call materials engineering a specialized subset of civil engineering. I know there's some overlap, but surely it's more to do with physics and mechanical engineering?

Specialized subsets of civil engineering include geotechnical engineering, transport engineering, water engineering, environmental engineering and structural engineering.

Many of my friends are engineers. They're around my age (24-26) and generally make 60k+. One of my friends who is an industrial engineer at age 24 just got a raise to about 70k a year. Decent money at that age.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, good money, respectable and it is interesting.

I believe that Electrical Engineers have the highest entry-level salary out of all engineering positions (on average). However, long-term salary probably depends more on the company and employee.

Yeah as far as STEM goes, not much beats it. I started out as Chem Eng. but decided to go the medicine route. Kills me to see my friends get paid right out of college. Oh well, I'm in it for the long haul.

I thought about robotics, though, it seems overtly specialised and therefore niche in the marketplace.

I thought about doing straight-up medicine way-back-when, then I heard various horror stories and decided I wasn't cut out for the mysophobic nightmare that is medicine.

It's definitely not for everyone. Many premeds spend hundreds of hours doing clinical volunteer work and shadowing physicians to get an idea of what they might be getting into.

No other career lets me do surgery so that was an easy choice.

I certainly feel safer away from oozing and various other disgusting bodily occurrences.

you guys are idiots.

t. mechanical engineer, unemployed.

Le engineer = easy job meme...

it depends on the location and the industries in your country.

>and the latter is too crowded
FALSE

why the fuck would you ask a bunch of autistic jobless neets about career choices like engineering?

if you are a student or an engineer, I'd highly recommend you'd buy and read a book called "The making of an expert engineer"

>And petroleum engineering isn't sustainable
biofuels faggot, huge government money available

don't blame others.
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I see this complaints, sometimes. Can you just consider that you aren't a good Mech E candidate? I've seen Mech E's be incredibly successful by actively being involved in projects during uni and EXCELLING at internships. Of course you're not going to get employment if you've done the bare minimum to get a Mech E degree. If you thought that getting good grades and a paper was all that it took to ensure success, you were duped.

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i have a year internship experience. you just don't get calls back when you send your resume out in Canada. Tried pretending i'm a use citizen and applied to US companies, got several calls back. so give me a fucking break on not being "good enough"

it depends on the industry in your geographical location, that is a fact.

Not so much geography as it is Trudeau being openly anti-enterprise and Canada being a hostile place to run any sort of business or employ anybody.

I'm sorry you're in the position you're in. You're allowed to visit the US for up to 3 months, I recommend you come down and try to meet and marry an American so that you can become allowed to work here.

yeah, that's not how it works, faggot. i had a high GPA and couldn't find an industry job because they don't give a fuck about your GPA, but a) your experience and b) who can refer you. as a fresh grad 9 out of 10 times you'll have shit for experience so you need a good referral.

If you aren't getting bites, your CV and resume just simply aren't up to par with the competition. What do you want me to say? It's the brutal truth.

Things always break and always need improvements
things always need to be built
there's always more avenues for work

plus the possibility of actually starting your own venture. repair lifts or something.

Tl;dr stop pulling out the victim card

you have a reading comprehension problem.

It is getting bites, in the states.

Canada has a resource economy, mining and oil are down since 2014 which means experienced engineers that lost there jobs are looking for other positions IN OTHER SECTORS and could easily out compete any entry-level engineer with only 1 year of experience.

yeah competition is tougher in Canada, does it mean you suck if you didn't get that single open astronaut position?

The only thing that helps a person land a job in a tough economy is connections... would be easier said than done if most of the engineers weren't afraid of losing their jobs.

>you have a reading comprehension problem.

You're so defensive. Just embrace that you have a poor CV / Resume.

>Canada has a resource economy, mining and oil are down since 2014 which means experienced engineers that lost there jobs are looking for other positions IN OTHER SECTORS and could easily out compete any entry-level engineer with only 1 year of experience.

Right, so you're less eligible than your competition.

>The only thing that helps a person land a job in a tough economy is connections... would be easier said than done if most of the engineers weren't afraid of losing their jobs.

Can't you just acknowledge that you're just not marketable? You're a nobody throwing a hissy-fit cause no-one wants to risk hiring you.

I met a girl here, dual citizen. tried to make something work but i failed.

She was unemployed for a year after graduating, moved to the US, small firm in california called DYN alloys... 13/hr initial wage + comission, for a mechanical engineer. was the first job she applied to.

I don't know how much her comission is, but a base salary now of $15.

Thats what architects and designers are for, not engineers. Engineers dont design cars and buikdings.

>Can't you just acknowledge that you're just not marketable? You're a nobody throwing a hissy-fit cause no-one wants to risk hiring you.

right so 1 year experience, 3.2 GPA is not marketable enough for you. That is GREAT. So let's not encourage students to hop into engineering, further perpetuating the stereotype that they are going to easily find jobs to pay off their debt.

This is a bullshit meme. how old are you? you don't even understand the real world.

You're the unemployed-fag. Perhaps you should consider that you don't understand the real world. The ones that do have the jobs that you want.

the only thing that bugs me here is utter morons like you leading others astray. I'm already heading in the right direction, retooling myself for jobs that are actually in demand. Because being an engineer during a global recession isn't the smartest idea, but of course, you'd disagree.

>Because being an engineer during a global recession isn't the smartest idea

It's not the smartest idea, for you. There are probably some anons here that will excel in the degree far more than you ever could have. If the anons are only going to be average or below-average in their endeavors, they'll end up like you. Others that can actually rock their program will find the placement they want.

But yes, you're correct. Some, like you, will fail.

If anyone reads our conversation thread they would quickly note your pathetic level of reading comprehension. go play with your autistic self.

>If anyone reads our conversation thread they would quickly note your pathetic level of reading comprehension.

More importantly, they'll get an insight into how a person who has an engineering degree and utterly failed to get placement, blames everything but himself.

The one where you think of a genuinely good idea and use it to start a business

Every field of STEM is trash money if you're a wagecuck. You should be looking for the field that will give you the most useful skill set.

You are getting cucked by my boy

Currently in comp-eng for this purpose.
Plan now is:
>Acquire ability to freelance
>Get on R&D for a company, make some decent cash
>Branch off to freelance/startup once financially able

I did electrical for the money then graduated near the top of my class and had a job lined up a year before graduation

>live in capitalist society

>HOW DARE YOU LEARN SKILLS TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF YOUR LABOR

internship?

>3.2 GPA.
Fucking kek, that's why, numbnuts.

This is actually my aim, I wont tell you my idea on here, but it involves animatronics.

>le start a business maymay
Banker detected

four internships

Canadian engineering graduate here. Everyone in my class who wasn't a mouth breathing autist got a job within 6 months of graduation both in Canada and the US. The retarded mech ITT can't seem to grasp the concept of a security clearance and is only applying to American companies he's not allowed to work for.

huh wow, didn't know safeway had such a large tech department.

cope however you want
im still in engineering and still care mostly about money

p-plz teach me ur wayz!

Why does Veeky Forums always have to devolve into this level of discourse?

>Do note: things like petroleum engineering are not stable occupations, as we'll soon run out of fossil fuels. Or, they'll be made illegal.

what a bunch of nonsense, even if they ban the gas guzzlers from cities (which is perfectly reasonable imo) there will be plenty application left for fossil fuels for a good while.

How does Industrial Engineering compare with Computer Science?

>there is money in STEM
That is false.

>there is money in engineering
That is false.

I'm finishing up my undergrad for mechanical engineering and going for a Master's/ PhD just because of how unsatisfied I am with the job prospects. Sure, you'll make okay wages, but not nearly enough to justify how hard you worked in school. Typical pay for new engineers is currently around $50k to $60k a year and falling rapidly. That's not much better than those liberal arts majors who spent all of college partying and fucking sorority girls while you pulled consecutive all-nighters just to keep up with your courseload.

The slight pay bump over other majors does not justify the 10x increase in difficulty. You will work so hard in school that you will develop health problems because of the stress/ fatigue/ lack of sleep. Everyone does.

because someone comes in starts swinging their dick without providing any actual information, what fucking response do you expect, dipshit?

not to mention, how do you get 4 internships done during 4 years when virtually every internship says they only want juniors and above.

i was in your position 3.5 years ago, and decided on a phd. my line of reasoning was that free tuition plus (shitty) pay is better than no pay and paying for tuition, even if it takes longer to complete.

well, that was a mistake. my lab mates got offers for mid 80k (plus bonus) and the average to finish a phd at my school is 5 years. meanwhile, the international curry students flock to thesis masters which they do in 2 years and get offers for in mid 70k (plus bonus.)

three extra years of slaving away under some cunt that only cares about himself for a 10k bump in pay is not worth it. also, academia sucks and tenure track positions are extremely competitive. even at mediocre schools you have people from top universities applying for tenure track positions.

Mechanical or Electrical, the special enginnering types are only for people with a passion for that subset (aerospace, nuclear, petrolium, materials)

at any company where there is a chemical engineer, an aerospace engineer, a civil engineer, whatever, there is at least one or two mechanichal engineers there as well to mnake sure all of the specialized engineers are able to work properly together (got a chemical process that is operated by chemical engineers, and chemical equipment made by material and electrical engineers control the process? any plans or designs that use both systems will have requirements from the chemical eng's, and requirements from the electrical engineers, which the mechanical engineer will make one process/plan for the two)

mechanical engineers and electrical engineers (and maybe "buisness engineers") are jacks of all trades, masters of none
the special fields are masters about their own, but lacking in the rest
Nuclear engineer wont know shit about what shapes are aerodynamic or not, a plastics engineer may not know shit about making a comercially viable/durable metal object, an aerospace engineer may not know how different materials interact with eachother

mechanical engineers dont know enough about the specific fields to make the best parts possible, but they know enough about the rest of the fields to double check work, explain to a plastics engineer why sharp corners on a metal molded part is bad, explain to a aerospace engineer that a metal with the properties your plane's design needs doesnt exist, ectera ectera

What area is your research in?

My line of reasoning for grad shool is that I really want to start a business and have quite a few ideas for various products, but I feel like I would need a graduate degree in order for investors to take me seriously. Plus the aerospace industry is imploding right now.

I agree that staying in academia sounds like hell, though.

combustion of jet and rocket fuels.

i'm not saying you shouldn't do it if you want to, but at least at my school doing a phd isn't worth it. also, if you do something that involves programming and dealing with data/statistics you'll generally have more employment options. my work is almost entirely experimental with a small modelling component.

Yeah, I was intentionally branching out into this new "computational science and engineering" program for that reason. My goal is to work on computational structural optimization and/ or autonomous robotic control. We'll see if I get in where I want, though.

Both shit

But why? There are easier ways of getting rich than engineering.

Musk has no formal training in engineering. Physics and Economics I think. He made his fortune through self taught software design and then spent that fortune hiring engineers to make a greater function. Also, you are not Elon Musk.

>petroleum engineering is unstable, soon run out of fossil fuels, or made illegal
How can you be so naive? I'm not supporting oil and gas industry and I would love for the world to move away from fossil fuels, but you shouldn't be so arrogant about it. You cannot realistically expect an industry with revenues over $1,000 billion to disappear in our lifetime. Entire countries are dependent on the sector. Look around you, everything you own or have ever owned or used, or eaten has been depended on oil and gas. Spewing misinformation makes everyone else who is against the industry look bad. We are not going to run out of fossil fuels soon. Venezuela, which has just 20% of the world's know reserves, can produce at its current rate for another 387 years..

Materials engineeering is a subset of chemical if anything yo
>just got a B in engineering materials course
>feel damn good about making it through

That is complete shit. She has a ME degree though?
I was getting 14$/hr for my internship when I knew almost nothing about the field I was getting into. Y'all getting bamboozled out there

Your simplistic view of the world is a problem. So engineers aren't involved in design at all?

Show me where the mechanical engineer hurt you on this doll.
Engineering is still one of the top degrees one can get and even the vast majority of Joe schmoes get jobs.
>source: mid 3 gpa, one good internship and boom I have better benefits than you

Though you're right about the industry prospering for at least another life time, it is not a stable occupation.

Cousin of mine left petroleum engineering for that reason. Now he's in ocean engineering and works as a contractor for the Navy.

Tfw when I'm a first year engineering student

Tfw 150k a year

1st year mechanical engineering student here, 150k salary

Engineering is a waste of time if you're not top of the class, an attractive female, or have hobbies that tie directly into the field.

Civil engineer making 60k straight out of school, no internship. I want to get my peng and get into the business side of things. I don't want to autistically sit in a cubicle designing shit all day