So let me get this straight, a stock LS1 makes more horsepower and torque than either a stock 2JZ GTE or stock RB26DETT while weighing less and being naturally aspirated.
>Despite this weebs and europoors will argue that the LS1 is an inferior engine
Convince me otherwise
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LS1 is a meme, but it's a damn good meme.
The ls1 can't make shit for power without forced induction (which the rb and jz already have, and which the ls1 doesn't take kindly to unless internals are upgraded)
The ls1 can't make 1000hp on an unopened engine (the 2jz does)
It also cant rev for shit and breaks if you try to
The ls1 is also a much newer engine than the rb or jz :^)
The rb and jz can also make more power on the factory specification engines (up the boost) than the ls1 can without spending thousands on it
So like... ls1 is trash and needs big bucks to compete with like stock l6 engines from over 25 years ago
a 600hp 2j on stock internals will grenade on you
600hp on 2jz-gte or 2jz-ge non-vvti is what many people do with success. On stock bottom end, and many use stock cams.
anyways LS is newer, lighter and has extremely good aftermarket support in the US, while JZ - worldwide.
/ MKIV supra owner
Yeah no... an engine with 80k miles will make 800hp on stock internals for another 20k miles
Ls1 trash can't do that
Gm btfo
>LS1
>6.2L
>460 HP
>74 HP per liter
>Coyote
>5.0L
>435 HP
>87 HP per liter
hmm, what could make this difference?
ls1 is 5.7 not 6.2
What kind of aftermarket support does a 2jz have in India or Somalia?
my bad pham
>5.7L
>350 HP
>61 HP per liter
it got worse
dohc and size. Ls1 fits in nearly anything. There's LS1 taragos for fucks sake.
Ls1 also only makes 300hp so even worse Lmao
Coyote is like the same size and weight
There is no discernible difference
it makes 350-365
hp per liter is irrelevant when you have less displacement, make less power, and ignore torque
the measurement of liters is a measurement of displacement.
it's just a copout
>this engine is less powerful but muh hp per liter
>lets cherry pick the highest output models
they make 300hp if the jap engines make 280hp
>and ignore torque
no one cares ab0ut torque except diesel truck owners
>ls1 from a c5 makes 365 hp
>2jz from a mk4 supra makes 321 hp with forced induction
cry moar fag
and a coyote makes 435 hp
Sad!
Pushrod
Coyotes aren't from the same era. Back then it was the 4.6 Modular.
>2jz makes 1000hp with stock internals
>stock internals ls1 is dead long before that
lmao
sort of a cherry pick.
The no BS safe limit for a 2jz is about 600hp. For the ls2 its about 500hp.
>but my buddies ex gf's uncle ran 8000hp in streettunerfurry magazine.
600whp for a 2JZGTE
>pushcucks
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHA
Why are stock cars with an LS1 slower than stock cars with the RB26DETT/2JZ GTE??????????
>same size
>same weight
You wanna rethink that?
This guy is right, you stupid fuckwits. Several youtubers have had theirs grenade.
The 2jz does not defy the laws of physics, the BLOCK is good for 1000 but the rods and pistons won't last long if it's not built.
Anyone can up the boost and make one dyno run, but you're just as dumb as the LS fuckwits if you believe someone meming on the internet about the magical 2 jayyy zeeee
It follows the same principles as any other engine.
Because the gtr and supra are amazing not because of their engines but the cars themselves?
Look at the engineering that went into them, they are superb cars for other reasons than their engines.
They have good engines, but see my above post, they are not magical.
Because they are american.
350z is slow and heavy for the same reason. It's designed in the US.
>350z
>It's designed in the US.
Since fucking when? exterior styling is about it if that.
since nissan design america is in the US
>fully dressed engine with like everything from the engine bay, including the wiring harness, sitting on top of it
>semi dressed ls
LMAO
literally this desperate!
>its not even a coyote btw
ROFLMAO
5.0L Coyote
>28" Length
>26" Height
>27.5" Wide
>444lbs
LS1
>28.75" Length
>28.25" Height
>25" Wide
>475lb
>This guy is right, you stupid fuckwits. Several youtubers have had theirs grenade.
it's easy to fuck up anything if you are a twit.
referencing to fucktards on youtube does nothing
have you ever seen how 2JZ GTE pistons look and how are they cooled? 2JZGTE has very strong bottom end and piston from the factory and that allows going with 600whp on unopened engine safely
see this oil passage? it's for cooling
how many OEM pistons are like that from the factory?
I own a supra, just because it's strong does not mean it will reliably make 1000hp stock.
That's beyond fucking stupid and anyone claiming so is full of shit.
You can make 1000hp on a dyno, for all of 5 minutes until something goes wrong.
But i mean its still a japanese platform with japanese engine. all nissan america did was probably design a shell around it.
I'm not claiming it'll handle 1000hp on stock long block reliable.
it's about 600
/ MKIV owner
ls1tech.com
1000hp naturally aspirated
lsxmag.com
8000rpm, 1000hp naturally aspirated
I made sure to give you as many (you)s as possible.
>lsxmag.com
>8000rpm, 1000hp naturally aspirated
it's turbocharged
Also, just a quick little flowchart for you :
Can you think of it?->yes - > somebody has done it to an ls
Oh, my bad, point still stands
This.
A 5.3 would need to rev well in excess of a 5 digit rpm to make 1000hp N/A.
Seriously, you're an idiot.
The point was that it could Rev high. Don't change the subject.
>The ls1 can't make shit for power without forced induction (which the rb and jz already have, and which the ls1 doesn't take kindly to unless internals are upgraded)
>1000hp naturally aspirated
>actually turbocharged
>point still stands
lmao
I would kill for a bone stock MK4 with "just" 320hp
Once again, the point was that it could rev, but just to shut you jdm parrots up,
ls1tech.com
lsxmag.com
maxchevy.com
streetmachine.com.au
Ls1 and 2jz owner here.. SO much god damn wrong info being spat here lol
Pushroad, ohc, rotary. It really doesnt matter if its a fucking hamster on a wheel.
My favorite engine is the 6g7 series. I'll still agree the LS is way better at making power.
At the end of the day though, you have to decide whats right for you, and character counts.
I feel like it's just fan boys yelling at each other.
I think it depends where you live. I live in Australia and there is heaps of aftermarket for both the 2J and the LS. An LS car is much cheaper than a car with a 2J for starters and the 2J weighs a lot.
Again it all depends what you want it for. I think they are both wonderful engines.
As someone who has never swapped an engine, I've only read about it and these engines, never driven a car with them.
How easy is it to get a 2JZ GTE, and an RB26DETT, compared to an LS1?
Thinking in terms of all of them being in clean running condition, stock.
Also, price?
From what I remember, why would you compare them? it's not like they compete other than for simple meet/online dick contests.
>15.5:1 compression ratio
>being forced to use high quality racing alcohol everywhere you go
Sure
>moving goalposts
Don't be stupid. You could use e85 with meth injection if you insisted on daily driving that engine, but that's not what it was designed for.
>arguing with yuropoors
Found the problem OP.
this, any yurocuck's opinions hold literally zero value
The ls1 is imdeed an inferior engine
>Spending over 20k to make as much power as a stock 2JZ with a new turbine
Lol LS fags
The modular in the termi made 380 hp
>This assmad
Reminder there is no LS/LSX running 5's
accufabracing.com
2jzpower.com
Stay BTFO
And used a big fuckoff supercharger to get there
>N-not f-fai bwaaah!!
You can swap pulleys and make almost 500, forced induction is superior
>1/8 mile
Haha, try again dumb dumb
Wanna compare FI to FI? This made 650. Stock.
And this made 662
Stay BTFO GM fangirl
Nah brah, the "heaton" m112 on the terminator really isn't that big. Even installed on smaller displacement engines it runs out of steam. The modular just has well designed heads for boost
>Pro-line engine
prolineracing.net
That is a blueprint engine, NOT an LS
stay BTFO
>Few thousands
Wrong, just the LSX engine is 6k, that is easily a 10k build
Stay BTFO GM fangirl
Assuming you are in the USA the RB starts at about 2500, 2jz about 2200, ls1 is about 350 give or take 1700.
>GM transgirls ragequit
As expected
Stay BTFO
hotrod.com
Are you just incapable of searching? This is on stock internals, that they pulled off of a truck, which you can get for sub 500 at pick n pull. An lsx block is only necessary above 2000,otherwise you are wasting your money. You can't just pick out the most expensive examples and strut around like you're even adding anything to the discussion.
Furthermore, there are two sub 6 ls engines that I've seen, and coincidentally, both of them are here: ls1tech.com
Which is the exact discussion we're having right now. Stop fanboying, and give credit where it's due. The ls probably has the best aftermarket in the car world right now, and they both take boost like a teenage girl takes dick. The thing is though that the availability of the ls is multitudes better than the jz.
>21 year old engine is less efficient than much newer, more expensive engine
Mind fucking blown
And it only made a couple of dyno passes, it is also an iron block truck engine that is heavier than the 2JZ
>You cant pick the most expensive
Except you posted an article of an LSX saying "few hundred dollars to build", I picked the cheapest LSX, which is 6k
Stay BTFO
They are already breaking into the 6's with the new GT-R........ How long has the LS been around again?
B T F O
Can we please just ban people who make these garbage threads?
I said a few thousand, and you clearly didn't read the article, they kept turning up boost until it blew. Also don't bring up weight when first of all, a 1000hp junkyard ls would be cheaper than a similar 2jz, right after talking about cost. You can't have everything you want on a budget. That's not even to mention balance and center of gravity.
And that is a full bodied GTR, a pro mod VR38 will easily run 5's
Also
>There are two sub 6 in that thread
Wrong, there is not a single video of a promod LS running 5's, that thread is full of assmad GM fangirls speging about >muh cheaper to build
Stay BTFO, GM transgirls literally need a boutique, 10k block to beat Aengines found in japanese and american taxis
BTFO
T
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>And it only made a couple of dyno passes, it is also an iron block truck engine that is heavier than the 2JZ
The 2jz is the heaviest engine ever put into a car.
The vortec iron block is 580, the 2jz is 600 with turbos(not sure if intercoolers are included in weight)
>b-but
It blew, it couldnt handle the abuse
>Few thousands
10k isnt a few thousands
Stay BTFO, keep sperging about imaginary numbers, stop moving the goalposts to irrelevant prices becaise that only applies to birgeristan, therefore is irrelevant
>B-but weight!!!
Yet there are iron 2jz running 5's, whereas the fastest vortec is in the 7's
Stay BTFO GM transgirl
You have piss poor reading comprehension. Try boosting a 2jz to 1,500 on a stock engine, see what happens, spoiler, it'll blow before 60 passes. Now let me explain one more time, slower.
$350 junkyard engine
maybe $2000 for turbo systems
$2350 for a 1000hp engine.
$2000 Bad shape 2jz
$500 for a new turbo system
$2500 for a 1000hp engine.
$2350 < $2500
Any responses further confirms that you are either a troll, autistic, or just helplessly stupid.
I totally agree user
>he thinks you can get, reliably, 1000hp for $2350
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Isn't this whole argument useless since the 2jz costs 5x the price of an ls?
>b-but im poor
>60 1000hp passes for $2k
>not good
Wew
>zero proof at all
Cool story bro
>Yet there are iron 2jz running 5's
Why so slow? There are iron hemis. running 3s
Lol ford ,GM,Ferrari, Nissan, Toyota btfo by a Chrysler engine from the 50s. WTF lol hahaha.
>drive your car 60 times
>needs a new motor
>it's totes reliable
HA
>B-but look at these totally made up numbers
Lol, you forgot fuel, spark, headgaskets, oil pump, and some bolts in both instances, which is the minimum you need if you want to make that kind of power
You are obviously a fucking newfag
Besides, that only applies to burgeristan, so its irrelevant
Firendly reminder, cuck:
A stock block 2JZ from a japanese taxi can run the quarter in 5's
A stock block 4.6 from a rustang can run 5's down the quarter
GM has never ever made a more powerful N/A engine than the 5.2 voodoo
GM has never ever made a more powerful forced induction engine than the 5.8 Trinity
GM has never ever made a more powerful crate engine than the 1500 hp cammers for top fuel
GM has never ever won lemans
Reminder the fastest LSX runs the quarter in 6.35, and that puwhcucks need a 20k boutique engine to run 5's
Stay utterly BTFO
>GM transgirls have to use chrysler engines to defend their argument
Hahahha I broke the GM transgirl
Stay BTFO
GM fangirls are fucking retarded lol
Lol, he still belives this is a serious argument
It sounds like that costed more than 2k
So not $2k then.
>home made turbo kit
LOL go make you a home made turbo kit.
>engine dyno pulls
>not actually on a car under load
>ported heads
>spring upgrades
>valve upgrades
>head studs
>upgraded gasket
>cams
>hydraulic lifters
>injectors
>TB
>intake
>air to water intercooler setup
>BOV
>headers
>boost controller
>upgrade BOV spring
>race gas
Totally a "60 'passes' on a $2k 1000hp motor". LOL. Passes implies drag passes, bot fucking engine dyno passes LOL.
"The longevity of the combination is still in question"