/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>mfw I play my 3DS at home

Whats wrong with Quentin ?

honorverse.wikia.com/wiki/Quentin_System

Apparently, there was a retard on /v/ called Quentin, so now, everything named Quentin has to be that guy.

socially adjusted men:
>do things to impress others
>hide their hobbies
>are fake and only get happiness through the acceptance of others

3ds retards:
>be who they are
>don't bend to what other perceive as "cool"
>dumb and happy

Quentin made thousands of those meme posters, but he was more from /b/ and /pol/. Mostly they were about not smoking weed or how having a job was dumb.

>not smoking weed
what a faggot

>Mostly they were about not smoking weed or how having a job was dumb.

So he was typical /r9k/ cunt ?

>mfw I'm named Quentin
>have to hide my name whenever I'm taking screenshot because otherwise people immediately assume I'm that faggot

>taking a screenshot with your name in it in the first place

>It’s unknown when Quentin started posting on Veeky Forums, but some of his comics date back to 2010 when he first began posting in /v/. Known for his controversial views, he has also posted on other boards, including Veeky Forums. In June 2011, Quentin was permabanned from all boards.
>“I seriously hope you guys don’t do this” is a catchphrase used as condescendenting response and heavily associated with the Constanza.jpg reaction images. Its creation is often credited to Quentin, who used it as bait after ambigous statements, normally accompained with a close up picture of Pete Campbell, from the series Mad Men.
Be proud of your Quentin shitposting heritage.

So...the left side is a sad little faggot who can't live with his own pride in himself? Because "Dressing to Impress" shouldn't be because you want people to be impressed, but because you personally feel good about dressing in a nice shirt and jacket. If you just do it for others to see, you're a sad little piece of shit.

>respectable fiel
>sports
>respectable
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>implying a screenshot taken for troubleshooting purpose doesn't have your name in it
Sorry to burst your bubble, but when there's an issue with the executable located in C:/Documents_And_Settings/Anonymous/Porn game/Loli_And_Tentacle.exe, you sometimes forget to hide the name.

>actually installing your shit under ~/
>taking screenshots of your entire folder instead of just the contents or an $ ls
>needing help in the first place
No user, you are the faggot.

>getting this triggered about a 6 year old shitpost

I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>6 years old
>2011 was 6 years ago
...fuck me, where has the time gone

>Mostly they were about not smoking weed or ... was dumb.
Wait, about how not smoking weed was dumb, or was he saying that smoking weed was bad?

>playing Cossacks
>grenadiers are elite units, and grenades can destroy building
>playing Company of Heroes
>grenadiers are shit tier units, and grenades are anti-infantry only
That's interesting. I wonder if the WWII grenades were smaller than the Napoleonic ones.

Early grenadiers were big burly men and elite ( because early grenades were heavy as fuck ), WW2 and such were simple rifleman.

So its not false nor wrong.

Early "Grenades" were just fucking bombs. They were literally the big black round bombs you see in cartoons.

I'm not sure.

He disappeared after threatening to shoot up his school on valentines day so he had a lot of issues.

they were still anti-infantry weapons, you'd use cannons or fire for wrecking buildings

I know you guys hate spreadsheets (or at least I do) but for this, I really have to use one - if anyone's still interested, of course.

Basically, this is a comparison between purely Civilian, and purely State run economy.
Taxes are assumed to be 25% - so, 75% remains in Civvie hands.
Factories cost 200 Bux to build, and give 20 Bux per turn.
Both start the same, but under State, half the Taxes are spent on Factories, and half on Navy/Fleet - while under Civvie, all can be spent on Fleet.

Where buildings weaker during Napoleonic wars, or is it just some artistic license that you can blow buildings with grenades?

Haaaa... So Wile E. Coyote is actually a French Grenadiers?

The worst part is that it kinda makes sense.

>Where buildings weaker during Napoleonic wars,
Probably seeing as in 1800s most of them were wooden and during WW2 was brick and stone.

>smoking weed is the same as rape, extermination and robbery
What kind of retard think that way ??

Thing is grenadier's grenades weren't high explosives, so they could easily start fires.

>it kind of makes sense
It doesn't. I have my own arguments against weed, but Quentin's argument is that it's against the law. A stoner's argument isn't that it isn't against the law, a stoner attempts to outline why it SHOULDN'T BE against the law, because there's nothing wrong with it in and of itself, or so the argument goes. Quentin preassumes that the stoner is wrong and then proceeds to engage in circular logic - it's against the law so it should be against the law, which is why it's against the law in the first place.

Ha, okay. I guess that makes sense.
Through I expected that with all the gunpowder improvements, grenades would be a lot more useful.

That's not the stoner's argument, he just says that "weed is okay in moderation". Quentin just compares it to dire stuff.

>genocide in moderation

what did he mean by this?

That means murdering only the deviants.

>Through I expected that with all the gunpowder improvements, grenades would be a lot more useful.

Early grenades were more what we now know as satchel charges/C4 - shit to destroy bunkers, buildings etc. Todays greanades are anti-infantry weapon.

what gemu

The stoner's argument is that "weed is okay in moderation" which implies that it shouldn't be against the law when used in moderation. Quentin's argument is that since it's against the law it should be against the law and that since it should be against the law that's why it's against the law, which is circular reasoning. He brings up murder and rape and whatever too for that reason - these things, that most people believe should be against the law, are against the law because they should be against the law, so therefore anything that is against the law should be against the law.

Just how big where these grenades? Do they have a specific name?

I see.
It makes sense to say that if something is forbidden, then it's forbidden, but if we're debating a possible use, it serves no purpose.

Right, that's the point. The stoner is saying 'well it's forbidden but it shouldn't be forbidden let's change it'. Quentin just reiterates the fact that it's forbidden - well yes, everyone knows but that's not the point.

>Just how big where these grenades? Do they have a specific name?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenadier

You know when you think about it ES2 combat isn't all too different from Stellaris combat. Think about it in both game controlling your fleets is just telling them where to go where to bomb what to kill etc. When combat happens in ES2 or Stellaris you don't get to micro your fleet like where to position each ship or which ship attack which enemy and stuff.

Thoughts?
Also i like ES1 and 2 but Stellaris is better IMO

No game - just a general discussion of Civilian vs. State oriented economy. (although a mix is possible)
An user was interested yesterday why people want to see independent Civilian Corporations in game.
In case he's still here - here's my reason.

in ES2 the AI actually knows how to use its fleets

>the size of a base ball
Pretty small then.
Also,
>Grenadier is the lowest rank (OR-1[22]) in the Heeresanteil (en: army part) of the Bundeswehr Wachbataillon (en: Bundeswehr guard battalion).
So for everyone else, Grenadiers are elite units, except for the German.

Yeah. He coulda said it endangers the smoker's health or could ruin his chance to insert in society.

okay so you just made some shit up and stacked it in favor of civvies to push your retarded agenda

Why does State start with a sixth of the Wealth of Civilians, and only 15% of the capital? This hardly seems a fair comparison. A state-run economy would still get taxes.

>eastern front
it's a mod

Same start, but State has to spend on both Fleet and Factories - I assumed something like 50/50 distribution.
Also, State DOES get taxes - which is where it's 1000 capital (on both sides) comes from.

>A state-run economy would still get taxes.
Well, no. Since all the production go to the state, they don't need taxes.

Or else I'll need you to explain me how the fuck the peasants can generate gold in Stronghold without getting paid.

>same start

civvies get 3000 money and state gets 500, civvies get 15 factories and state gets 2

are you just pretending to be retarded?

>Well, no. Since all the production go to the state, they don't need taxes.
Excuse me? That's not how a state-run economy works.

That's foolishness though, you're assuming that a state-run economy loses access to the factories and liquid capital, when both exist within the state to begin with. A full state economy can by definition leverage MORE, not LESS, of the internal capital and production.

here

Okay, yeah, is closer to what I meant.

Are you?
Haven't I said 25% Revenue goes to state & 75% to Civvies, and only half of State revenue goes to Factory building?

And now for an 'equal start':

>not seizing assets for the state

>Haven't I said 25% Revenue goes to state & 75% to Civvies
you have, it doesn't mean anything

3000 STARTING WEALTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAX

it's still not equal and state is already kicking civvies ass

No you dumb fucking shit
1. Civilians will NEVER spend all that shit on the fleet and factories useful to you
2. That's not an equal start.
3. Where the fuck is your money going?
You have to understand that not simulating the civilian economy doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the fucking game, it means you can't interact with it. The civilian economy MUST EXIST within the fucking game, you might not see it but it's fucking there.
A fully state run economy would have the power of the civilian economy behind it because the civilian economy exists within the state economy

What the fuck is even happening here? Are civilians and state seperate or what? In an actual game, the current economy would be the sum of the State and the Civilians. It's not the right side right now.

>Are civilians and state seperate or what?
The citizen is only a part of the state. Without the state, a citizen is nothing.
Slavery is freedom.

>1. Civilians will NEVER spend all that shit on the fleet and factories useful to you
You (the State) are spending the taxes on the Fleet - Civvies just spend it on factories.

2. Same amount of money = equal start.
Money being the key here - yes, it is equal.

As a point of reference: in my book, State economy = State-run economy.
Basically, nationalized factories - which you usually have in games.

Oh, and:

>A fully state run economy would have the power of the civilian economy behind it because the civilian economy exists within the state economy

That's what I'm aiming at with the State economy here.

Yeah but you're retarded, see, because the the current game includes both, you wouldn't get a huge boost to your economy by simulating the civilian economy. The civilian economy is just handwaved into your actual economy right now.
I support private sector simulation but your sheet is being dishonest by making it seem like the state side is tiny compared to the civilian side when the current situation isn't stateside only.
Also, a state-run economy wouldn't lag behind a civilian economy simply because all the money is still in their hands.

In term of gameplay, a state-controlled economy cannot grow on its own.

>Yeah but you're retarded, see, because the the current game includes both, you wouldn't get a huge boost to your economy by simulating the civilian economy. The civilian economy is just handwaved into your actual economy right now.
>I support private sector simulation but your sheet is being dishonest by making it seem like the state side is tiny compared to the civilian side when the current situation isn't stateside only.
>Also, a state-run economy wouldn't lag behind a civilian economy simply because all the money is still in their hands.

Yeah, the spreadsheet is simplistic, sure - but the endresult is the same.
The current situation ISN'T stateside only?
Really? You (the player) aren't the only one giving orders to build (and pay for) Factories?

>you can't inject funds in private sector to boost it

>the current situation ISN'T stateside only?
It can't be, because without the simulation of a civilian economy either that economy doesn't exist (and therefore can't be simulated) or is being handwaved and incorporated, and this includes factory building. Civilians don't magically poof shit into existence either, the point would be that you represent the ENTIRE economy.

??? Which game?
I'm not arguing it can't grow - or that it isn't viable - I'm just arguing it's an inferior choice.

Sure you can.
You can also build all the State Factories you want.
The question is why would you?

>without the simulation of a civilian economy either that economy doesn't exist (and therefore can't be simulated) or is being handwaved and incorporated
Bingo.
Currently, it's a part of State economy.
And, again, true & possible - just not optional.

> the point would be that you represent the ENTIRE economy.
Exactly - you (the player) run the entire (State) economy.

Wait, we're not talking about Distant Worlds?

>Exactly - you (the player) run the entire (State) economy.
No, you dumbass. You, the player, run the entire economy. The Economy includes both civilian AND state economies. Do you think that civilians don't need to spend money to build shit?

no he's some autist who has been pushing for civilian economy in stellaris for weeks now with made up scenarios

If it's the corporation shit, that sounds nice. If it's communism, it isn't and too much of a pain to put in.

>The question is why would you?
A state economy is by definition more efficient at what it chooses to do. The question is whether or not what it chooses to do is also the correct thing to do.
In games, because shit is solveable and you know the variables, a state economy is 100% better than a civilian one, save for the extra micromanagement.

>You, the player, run the entire economy.

So, it's either a State economy or State-run economy & basically the same thing.
Btw: State = Government in my book - just to be clear.
National economy = State + Civilian economies.

>simulated civilian economy
>stellaris
Not in its current or foreseeably future state
It would require a complete gameplay overhaul

No, you fucking ESL dolt, stop typing like a goddamn retard.

>state economy = state run economy
You have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about. The state economy refers to the part of the economy that is completely controlled by the state. The state run economy means a national economy that is heavily or completely controlled by the state.

>national economy = state + civilian economies
Yes, no shit, but because you, as the player, control the entire nation (and NOT just some abstract "government"), either there is no civilian economy to be simulated or you're also controlling the civilian economy.

>play Children of the Dead Earth
>awesome idea for a game, really makes my dick hard
>looks like shit
>entire game shits itself if more than 10 ships are on screen at once

Jesus fucking christ, idea was awesome but who the fuck programed that shit to be choppy more than fucking Witcher 3 ?

the guy who insists that every single part has to be fully and accurately physically simulated

Dude even then its fucking absurd.

I would keep my mouth if i was setting up 200 vs 200 ship battles, but fucking 5 vs 5 getting 2 fps and being basically unplayable ? And god help you if you ever launch drones or missles ;/

>maximum atmospheric pressure
>maximum deviation in gravity
JESUS

oh and don't forget it has a full n-body gravity orbit simulation too, none of that conics shit for girls

Even then those MASSIVE problems with fps are simply absurd.

I just wish me finding an NPR didn't immediately fuck my game into unplayablility.

what cpu do you have

Its not the newest shit but fuck me, Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and other far better looking games run fine for me.

The problem is that the game is coded poorly AND it isn't made with modern CPUs in mind. The game is coded for single core CPUs. Today's multicore CPUs are not able to handle this things because while you get MOAR CPUs, each individual one is weaker. DF has this same problem. The game can one run on one CPU and since it is so weak compared to Dual or single core CPUs of ages past, the game collapses after you do too much.

>I just wish me finding an NPR didn't immediately fuck my game into unplayablility.>>

How it does fuck it up ?
I enjoyed many good wars with NPR's in Aurora.

>Try to take a 5 days turn.
>Game takes a full minute to proceeds turn and goes to the desktop.
>When i trying to bring back up the game it takes half a minute again to return to functionality.
>Repeat.

I told you about overclocked skylakes

Specs ?
Turn time does indeed drags more when you have NPR's in game but not that much.
At least for me.

>inb4 works for me lol xD memes

Is there a point in ever going for my own religion in Civ6 if I'm not planning on religious victory?

Yeah. Keeping others from winning.

Your username doesn't need to be your actual name

is Civ6 playable yet? Fuck me for getting DD and dropping it like a rock after ~100h

If they had genocied in moderation they would have gotten away with it

turn off the NPR from beginning, just let the NPR generate as you explore or you will get FPS raped.

>Your username doesn't need to be your actual name

>Your username doesn't need to be your actual name.