Of course the myths surrounding them aren't to be taken as fact, but is there any likelihood that these figures existed maybe in a similar sense of how Jesus was regarded to have existed? That perhaps the mythology surrounding them is loosely based on actual figures in history?
Or were all of these just characters created by an imaginative writer?
Are there any heroes in Greek mythology that have evidence for their actual existence?
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People will probably be asking similar questions about Darth Vader in a few thousand years.
They thought Troy didn't exist either, but then they found it.
Now, something tell's me they won't find too many fragments of the Death Stars. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part.
Darth Vader is a science fictional character that is based in another Galaxy. Also given the technology we have, unless the world ends up becoming anarcho-primitive, this will never happen
Given the overwhelming abundance of pictorial, anecdotal, written, oral, and video evidence, scholars concluded this points to the undeniably historicity of the existance of Darth Vader as far back as the late 20th century.
no plato made them up
>unless the world ends up becoming anarcho-primitive
Like that could ever happen.
doubt it
I can just imagine them digging up some Darth Vader beach towel and labeling it a mythological mural.
And some faggot on future Veeky Forums will be telling us about how its the authentic death blanket and gives legitimacy to the Jedi faith.
One could argue that Darth Vader was based off several Kurosawa/samurai movie characters who in turn were based off actual historical samurai/daimyo. In which case one could argue Darth Vader was real in a certain sense, in much the same way one could argue Homer's heroes were real.
>he doesn't believe in the literal truth and divine inspiration of Homer
In the same vein, the Empire is loosely based off of the Nazis. Vader doesn't really fit with that comparison, but pretty much everything else does.
>OP makes a thread about Greek heroes
>ends up being almost entirely about Darth Vader
I like Veeky Forums.
The grave of aquilles has been found in the snake island on the black sea. You can actually see the picture on google earth.
This would be the resting place for achilles, patroclus and antiloco so they can have gay threesomes for all eternity.
>implying this is real
Consider that Homer wrote the illyad 400 years later the event took place, so his sources would be:
1. Oral tradition
2. Art
3. The divine inspiration of the muses (aka imagination)
Reminder that the ancient Greeks were hacks who stole everything from Mesopotamia
>The Labours of Heracles form a cycle like the victories of Ninurta. Ninurta is a vigorous champion, a son of the chief god Enlil. An Akkadian text (KAR 76.9) calls him aplu dannu ša Enlil, ‘the strong son of Enlil’, paralleling the formula used of Heracles, ‘the doughty son of Zeus’ (Dios alkimos hyios). In a series of Sumerian texts, starting with the Cylinders of Gudea in the 22nd century and continuing with other Ninurta texts in Sumerian and Akkadian, there are references to a series of monsters, each one different, which Ninurta has killed or captured in separate combats and brought back to his city as trophies.
>Among the creatures killed by Ninurta one can certainly recognize some analogies with the objects of Heracles’ Labours. The seven-headed serpent is the most unmistakable. There is also a terrible lion, corresponding to the Nemean Lion; a ‘buck’, which can be a stag or ram, and which might be matched up with the Cerynean Hind; the storm-bird Anzu, which could at a pinch be put beside the Stymphalian Birds; a crab that is trampled underfoot in a pool, recalling the crab that assists the Hydra against Heracles; and a ‘bison’, pictured as a bull-man, which is slain ‘in the middle of the sea’ and might be compared to the Cretan Bull. The captured bulls and cows that Ninurta adds to his dead trophies in Angim and brings back to Nippur may be put beside the cattle of Geryon. The connection with Heracles is strengthened by the fact that in most cases the Greek hero takes the object of his quest back to Eurystheus at Tiryns, as Ninurta takes all of his trophies back to Nippur.
>Empire based off Nazis
They weren't. The Empire was based off multiple different groups, primarily actually being closer to the British Empire and the USSR. The Emperor's arrival on the second Death Star in Return of the Jedi is explicitly a pastiche of the Russian May Day parade.
Taking your bait, and accepting your premise, I'll respond that all Mesopotamian texts are utterly terse and autistic and devoid of the slightest amount of literary merit, and whatever themes the Greeks may have borrowed they treated a million times better.
If one treats the OT as a complete work and examines the implicit background, one finds that the Empire is even closer to a compacted Meiji through First Shôwa Japan.
The Empire were directly based on the Nazis. Old U.S. WWII movies had a tradition of British actors playing the Nazis and Americunts playing the the Allies. This was why the Imperials are all Brits and Rebels Amerifats in the OT as it's another one of Lucas' homages/sources.
They probably were normal people whose deeds got more and more exaggerated as the time on through oral tradition.
>The Empire was directly based on the Nazis.
No, it wasn't you dumbass. There are multiple Imperial officers who were played by Americans in the Empire.
>all the Stormtroopers and Naval/Army Troopers are played by Americans
>most of the lower officers are Americans
>several high ranking officers are played by Americans
Stop talking out of your ass. Admiral Motti sounds like a British actor to you?
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Get your ears checked.
that's because they're carved in stone you fucking retard. of course it's going to be terse...
>The Empire were directly based on the Nazis.
That's an EU thing that normies could wrap their little normie heads around so it went mainstream. Both the alliance and empire use imagery from the Nazis and imperial japan, but neither is originally based on it. Although I wouldn't put it past George to claim it was all part of some fictitious master plan.
I mean, its not like the Star Wars mythos was ever that subtle or subversive. Of course the empire is basically just nazis.
>Taking your bait, and accepting your premise, I'll respond that all Mesopotamian texts are utterly terse and autistic and devoid of the slightest amount of literary merit, and whatever themes the Greeks may have borrowed they treated a million times better.
A typical eurocentrist reply, go rejoin your sacred band you dirty theban.
Interesting.