Are Christians obligated to be pro-immigrant? What is the consensus of Christians here?

This isnt about letting a hoard of American corporations into their countries, which has probably already happened. This is about letting in a few hundred thousand starving war refugees. To compare barring them to the struggle against globalism is so absurd I dont know what to say to it.

>a few hundred thousand
Guess again

I was raised Catholic.

Ah

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in terms of the impact on each country , yes. But even if it was millions, that would not change your
Christian obligations

that's why protestant nations like UK, Germany and Sweden are completely safe from immigration right?

yes, truly, it is the christian duty to aid people who wish to exterminate christianity, who just fled a state where they already exterminated the few remaining syrian christians by the hundred of thousands

makes sense

Christians are obligated to permit waves of heathens in that will negatively impact the wages of domestic workers, and will influence domestic politics to accord with heathen religious interests?

>a few hundred thousand
Lie, millions have already migrated to Europe
>starving war refugees
Lie, according to the UN the majority were adult men and in any picture they all look healthy
Two lies in a single sentence, what an accomplishment!

>But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Literally yes. Just face it, your savior is the ultimate cuck.

no, christians are obliged to accomodate waves of muslims who won't defend their own homes, and allowed a million christians in the last 3 years to be genocided

get your facts straight

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."

Jesus healed a solider taking him away to be judged and executed.

If you truly believed this stuff, you would be willing to sacrifice for them, even at the risk of your own well being. That they are "heathen" shouldn't even factor into your decision to help them.

I can say this with conviction because anyone with even the scantiest Christian education should have at least absorbed this, and I have trouble comprehending how you could disagree and still claim to be Christian

okay, get ready, I'm coming to your house. get ready to issue me the deed to your house after I spit in your face and stab your kid

if you don't, you're unchristian

>if you don't, you're unchristian
>implying I'm spooked enough to care
I think you have miscalculated.

Jesus knew the Romans would reckon the Jews the Jews for rejecting him He predicted the Temple would be destroyed and Jerusalem razed by God, through the Romans

So in your mind, letting a muslem refugee into your country is the same as letting a murderer into your home?

Nice

I dont get your logic here.

Ah, here it comes, the : "if you don't agree with the leftist opinions that I adopted from socialist ATHEISTS 20 years ago, you're not a REAL christian!"

I can't wait to see how this one works itself out.

I'm really sick and tired of leftists mangling vocabulary to score cheap rhetorical points.
An immigrant is not just someone who travels from point A to point point B.
Jesus was not an "immigrant".
The Pilgrims were not "immigrants".
The goddamn Conquistadors were NOT "immigrants".

WORDS HAVE MEANINGS ASSHOLES

If that is the case, why does the worlds largest Christian denomination believe exactly that?

Let me Guess, the church was taken over in an evil conspiracy during Vatican II?

am I close?

My point is that Jesus did not hold the Romans accountable for the harm being done to him. They didn't really want to kill him, they just did it because the Jews demanded it and Christ was Jewish. That doesn't mean Pontius Pilate is considered a gud boy who didn't do nuffin in Orthodox Christianity, he's considered a bad man, but ultimately acting on the orders of the Jews, and the Romans will carry out God's wrath upon Jerusalem in return.

>Propaganda Due
>not an evil conspiracy

None of that means that Christians should allow themselves to be overrun by heretics.
See that's the part you're skimming over.
Muslims are heretics.

If you already know the answer, why ask?

Jesus forgave the people who nailed him to a piece of wood and left him to die, but the jews, they were the ones who had to feel God's wraith?

You might still have a point if that was some sort of break from Jesus's normal way of doing things, but he spend his life forgiving people, and urging others to do everything the could even for the sake of strangers.

>but the jews, they were the ones who had to feel God's wraith?
Yeah, since they already had God's message and were therefore held to much higher standards. Christ also says Christians who do evil will suffer a much worse fate than pagans who do evil.

>a few hundred thousand starving war refugees

How fucking delusional can you be

You realize the Old Testament God is ALSO Jesus right?
He clearly has more responses to life than just forgiving everything.

Despite what the gospel of John says, the Jews did not rise up as one body and call for Jesus's death. If any were involved it was only the Sanhedrin and their supporters.

Does the term "New Covenant" mean nothing to you

>muh capitalism
Fuck off commie.
This may come as a shock to you but it's possible to render aid to the homeless and dispossessed without letting them into your country.

Christian theology doesn't reject nationalism, it embraces it
"Give unto Caesar"

>few hundred thousand starving war refugees

>Does the term "New Covenant" mean nothing to you
Clearly it means nothing to you as you think it applies to the Jews that killed Jesus.

>people actually think letting in large amounts of uneducated people with a misogynistic culture wont impact rape or crime statistics
rly makes u think

>Ah, here it comes, the : "if you don't agree with the leftist opinions that I adopted from socialist ATHEISTS 20 years ago, you're not a REAL christian!"
More like "If you don't agree with European Christian ideals of charity adopted into secular morality from hundreds of years of Christian dominance then your ideals are unchristian"

Which is the truth.

>homeless veterans freezing to death in the street?
>Who cares! We need to prioritize housing for refugees!

Your damn right it's analogous.

>religion invented things that existed before those religions were invented
t. young earth xians

No, because you're not fixing a place, you're leaving some place shit and inevitably causing a new place to be shit. It's the same kind of Christianity where you let a fag fuck ten AIDS-ridden dicks to avoid hurting his feelings

ah, so every single pope before the current one was a heretic?

interesting

>adopted into secular morality
>If you don't pretend your Christian ideals are the same as our secular ones you're UNCHRISTIAN
Fuck off.

That's secularism, not nationalism. Unless you take it retardedly literally in which case Christians should all be loyal to the Roman Empire, which doesn't exist anymore.

Tribalist notions like nationalism are pretty clearly rebuked. I mean the good samaritan is arguably the most famous parable in the Bible and it's literally about how hostile populations should be treated as our neighbour.

No, the Good Samaritan is about how good heretics are more your neighbors than shitty orthodox.

>Roman Empire, which doesn't exist anymore.
Guess who literally control Rome

the good samaritan is about how morality is universally descended from god.

if it was the parable of the bad samaritan, it wouldn't be talking about how we have a duty to feed rapists and terrorists

Lmao wow this has to be bait.

Holy fuck I hope you are being ironic

Show me where the "every pope before the current one" argues against refugees. In fact I'd be impressed if you could give more than five examples. It's also incredibly naive of you to think that the Popes always followed christian morality to the letter. The Popes are sinners like the rest of us.

>Fuck off commie.
Are you unable to read?

>gommie church gonna gom
>still not defining what "mass migration" is, because that would blow the dankest stormcuck meme since 20 year

Samefag.

What is a ruined housing market? One market that is not ruined, but is pretty much free enterprise is the clothing market. Even the worst of the bums is relatively well dressed.

flight into egypt = jesus was an immigrant

The Orthodox Church has completely opposed usury since the time of the Apostles, that of course rules out the credit system which is the linchpin of capitalism

FUCK YOU GOT ME

>What is a ruined housing market?
What does that have to do with giving free housing to foreigners instead of natives?
How is tightening the housing market even further by importing people helpful?

> Even the worst of the bums is relatively well dressed
Compared to who exactly?
An African bushman? Certainly not compared to the iphone toting "refugees".

Wrong.
Both Egypt and Israel were part of the Roman Empire.
Not an immigrant.

egypt and isreal are different countries, look up the definition of immigration and deal with it

European atheists follow christian morality.

"Christians" is quite the broad demographic, pal.
If you mean modern mainstream protestant christianism, then they are unanimously pro-immigrant, since they accept and value the act of conversion, ergo there are no geographical frontiers, only religious ones etc., God embraces all who wish to flock under him etc.

If you mean orthodox cristianism (Catolicism), then they tend to be anti-immigration, but they are pretty much on-the-fence most of the time.

Anything else is a mish-mash of confusion, xenophoby and political interests that defy any classification.

>hurr durr if you moved from Canada to Australia when they were part of the British empire you were an immigrant!

Just stop.
You're not going to win this one.
Stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, Jesus was not an immigrant, anymore so than a bank-robber who crosses state lines to escape local police jurisdiction is an immigrant.

HA!
Is that why they think two men can get married and abortion is perfectly a-ok?

No way

This has to be a bait post

>gee, are people obligated to let themselves be murdered and their children raped?
>really makes your noggin tick!
I actually read this thinking you were arguing for why migrants would want to leave their home countries.

>Is that why they think two men can get married and abortion is perfectly a-ok?
Yes, actually.

Now you're just being silly.

>This may come as a shock to you but it's possible to render aid to the homeless and dispossessed without letting them into your country.
Yeah, but is anyone really doing that sufficiently?

>muh housing market is rekt
>but I can't un-rekt it because that would mean that some niggo will benefit from it
The proof that stormcucks hates niggers more than they like their countrymen. Because when the refugee crisis is over, the housing market is still rekt.

>2016
>still thinking that iPhones are items of luxury

Define "sufficient".

How does importing foreigners "un-rekt" the housing market faggot?

>still thinking that iPhones are items of luxury
Who said anything about luxury?
The point is refugees have a higher level of financial security than homeless people do. They literally pay tens of thousands of dollars to get smuggled across borders without having to sell off their state of the art pocket computers.

>Now you're just being silly.
I'm serious. Christian morality gave birth to humanism which gave birth to gay rights, etc. Take the superstitious aspects away from christianity and you're left with no reason to oppose gay marriage. People are happy to drop the superstitious aspects of christianity but have still been moulded by christian ethics and it would take centuries to remove christian morality from Europe.

As for abortion that's a simple matter of when you define life as beginning.

You do realize that Nietzsche's narrative of the roots of morality has zero historical merit, it's just a literary device to express his philosophy, right?

>Take the religious aspects away from christianity
And you have zero left, the Bible becomes just a work of literature and the rituals are just historical reenactments. Nothing functions in Christianity without God, it's like saying, "just keep the solar system functioning, but take away the sun."

>Take away the Christian aspects of Christianity and you're left with no reason to oppose gay marriage.
youtube.com/watch?v=2NS7Gkv4NNA

>They literally pay tens of thousands of dollars to get smuggled across borders without having to sell off their state of the art pocket computers.
The ones who can afford that are already in Germany. 3000 euro can get you a flight from Athens to anywhere in the EU. The vast majority of refugees can't afford anything like that. Phones are their most important possession and the last thing they would sell. Most of them would go into prostitution before selling their phones, as is the case with a couple of young boys a friend of mine was working with.

I actually worked with refugees on Chios if anyone has any questions.

It seems in some places there is a shortage of humanitarian aid. But a lot of the ones fleeing to Europe wouldn't really be stopped by an improvement in their circumstances. So estimating something like that is a little tricky, but I think if Western countries invested enough into direct action then we would have better justification for refusing refugees.

> Phones are their most important possession and the last thing they would sell. Most of them would go into prostitution before selling their phones, as is the case with a couple of young boys a friend of mine was working with.

and yet the vast number of homeless people do not own cellphones. As I said before, refugees, no matter how pathetic still have a higher level of financial security than a homeless person.

Refugees by definition have the financial wherewithal to travel hundreds if not thousands of miles. Homeless people can barely scrape together the money to buy a sandwich.

>Most of them would go into prostitution before selling their phones
Not him, but I can't even comprehend this. To value an electronic gadget over your own self-pride and autonomy is extreme. I guess if you lack access to certain public services a phone is fairly important, but I wouldn't hesitate about getting rid of my phone I needed money.

it actually makes perfect sense from my limited personal experience abroad.
A smartphone is your window to the world.

>This is about letting in a few hundred thousand starving war refugees
I don't have enough smug anime whores for this post.

>The Orthodox Church released this statement this year
What a useless statement. Who the fuck immigrates to Orthodox countries anyway? Even refugees realize Eastern Europe is a shithole.

yes

>And you have zero left, the Bible becomes just a work of literature and the rituals are just historical reenactments.
Yes, and that is how secular Europeans feel about the bible and christian ritual. Nonetheless, Christian moral concepts are deeply ingrained in the European psyche.

The only justification necessary is "not our problem".

No one owes these people anything, and it is not Europe's duty to lift these people out of their squalid lives. "White Man's Burden" isn't a thing anymore, maybe you haven't heard.

>Nonetheless, Christian moral concepts are deeply ingrained in the European psyche.
No they aren't. Hedonism is the moral principle of Europe. Christian ethics are about asceticism. Excusing immorality is the moral principle of Europe, forgiveness is the Christian principle.

>Christian moral concepts are deeply ingrained in the European psyche.
except when it comes to things like premarital sex, promiscuity, abortion, pornography, filial duty and marriage of course.

>Take the superstitious aspects away from christianity and you're left with no reason to oppose gay marriage.
A Christian shouldn't be discriminatory towards homosexuals but marriage is a service that shouldn't even be provided by the state for anyone. Homosexual marriage has no grounds.

You need a phone number to get a job, or to communicate with other people including members of your community.

If you lose your phone, you lose your contact with your family, especially if you don't have access to the internet otherwise.

This thread is great.

Next time someone goes full deus vult muh degeneracy on me, I'll just remind them their duties as christians towards refugees.

>marriage shouldn't be provided by the state anymore
why the fuck is that? At the end of the day, it is the duty of the state to register and process people who are cohabiting together.

The demands of morality are not in the 21st century restricted by national borders. Morality demands universal adherence to the extent that a person is most capable and with the advent of the internet, there are few people whom your charity cannot reach. The distinction between giving a homeless man on the street a few dollars and sending money to a starving African village is diminishing.

Not only is the state itself a violation of rights, but anytime the state enters domestic life people lose autonomy.
Marriage is a social function that has certain legal functions. The social functions can be performed without the facilitation of the state, and the legal functions can be performed through other means.