Isolation of Sweden

much lead? how about salt?? has some fishery i suppose but it has to compete hard out for it

>why did Sweden not become a naval power like Britain?
Not enough people. That's without a doubt the biggest factor.

Literally a quarter of all the copper in the world came from sweden at the start of the 18th century.

Don't just spout bullshit if you don't know shit.

>why did Sweden not become a naval power like Britain?

One important factor is that there wasn't a great need. Sweden never became a great colonial power, instead focusing mainly on land based warfare. Which they excelled in.

They had a colony in Delaware during the 30 years war, the king wanted it because "muh colonies", but as soon as they asked for help and it became apparent that creating a colony to be self sufficient takes a fuckload of time with very few short term benefits. They were basically on their own, while the king was messing around in continental europe.

If anyone happens by Stockholm, visit the Vasa museum. An almost intact and fantastically well preserved warship that capsized because not enough time was spent testing the ship out, and the gravity of the issues with it was not accurately conveyed to the King. The king wanted the ship to head to poland straight away.

Anyway, the ship is unique in the world, and well worth a visit.

Pic related. Now I miss it, used to work there for a while.

never heard of any shields or guns made from copper or trains or 18th century telecommunications etc for that matter

ur the retard buddy u autistic sperg

Forestfinns suck dicks

Almost all cannons in the 17th century were made from bronze. Most currencies used copper in one way or another.

Fucking stop being dumb.

Sweden was much, much poorer than for example france, but this has much more to do with sparsity of population. Tar, rope, masts, lumber, iron, copper, weapons.

Historically, what matters isn't how rich your land is, but how well you can exploit it. Early Modern sweden is a fantastic example of this.

>Tar, rope, masts, lumber, iron, copper, weapons.
Fuck, I am stupid. Meant to say "could be produced and exported"

Sweden had a very large copper mine that produced 33% of Eu copper for cannons until 1700's
So they had some rescources to work whit
Sadly copper is only good for cannons
I think.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Mine

Copper is and was an immensly useful mineral used for pretty much everything from cooking utensils, ship and building sheating against elements, currencies all over the world and a fuckload of other minor goods so even outside of its use for cannons it's still really useful. This coupled with it's relative scarcity made it pretty fucking valuable.

this, also the Vasa ship is fucking amazing.

>not "with the blood of German mercenaries/Poland"

Howdy, finnic servants! check it out, im made of coppper!

So?

>Was Sweden ever invaded through northern Finland?
It would be a logistical nightmare. Finland's geography would be a challenge for armies to move in.

What's there to invade?During most of it's history, Sweden was insignificant at best, it just wasn't worth it.

jemtland is rightful norwegian clay

fuck off mountain cunt, norway is swedish clay

Birger Jarl is better whenever you want to bully Finns.

The Caroleans actually came to be through the newer allotment system, and after two decades of peace and population growth.
There were relatively few foreigners enlisted, as compared to earlier times. So this time it actually hurt the Swedish Kingdom's population when they got killed off.

You can only lay claim to clay you can keep with force. It seems Sweden cant even keep its own lands since they lack any force anymore so outside places are out of the question.

Too bad Finns only grow on memes.

This actually reminds me of the time Swedes were memed in the last century.

There had been earlier attempts at recovering said ship shortly after it sank. It was forgotten for some centuries and rediscovered in the 1950s. They finally engineered a method to raise it in the next decade.

1961 they finally recovered it, discovering about 15 remains and thousands of artifacts as well as the entirety of the ship that then went into conservation. One peculiar find was a small, ancient esque sculpture of a man running that rised immediate speculations about its significance.

Though it was shortly after revealed to have been a statue of a Finnish olympic athlete and runner Paavo Nurmi (Paul Lawn) placed by Finnish students there the night before the Ship's raising. They were on their way to Göteborg to get drunk and had to come up with one more reason to drink for the years to come.

t. buttmad western swede

>Sweden will fight to the last Finn!
>loses Finland
>never fights a war again
Laugh and cry every time.

>never caused any trabble
Except for destroying nature with their retarded ancient agricultural technique.

Scotland is part of Britain.

They taught Britain about the necessity of naval power.

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>sweden
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>0 swedish vikings ever went west

We did win against Norway tho.

memes

Most of that is so called industrial forest which isn't a wilderness but basically tree farming. Once you break through central and southern Finland you can march to Ostrobothnia pretty easily and from there to the Tornio river.

yes. during great northern war russian navy attacked and burned down umeå and at the end of finnish war they advanced by land well into norrbotten and västerbotten and occupied umeå again for some time.

No shit that boat capsized, it's design is utterly retarded. Why did the engineer think it'd be a good idea to build a bottom-heavy top-narrow ship?

That's not the swedes, they went down the rivers through russia to trade with arabs

>Paul Lawn
Vittu nyt hei

>boat
>implying millions of implications

Hmm, not sure how familiar you are with ship-building, but that is how ships looked in the 1600s.

It capsised because it was to unstable, yes. But not by a faulty design, not enough ballast was included. Several engineers worked on the ship, but every single specification was demanded by the king, so no one dared speak up. Seriously.

If the King hadn't rushed it and demanded it sailed to poland straight away the issues could have been mended.