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>Other issues expected to come up in NAFTA talks include so-called rules of origin, which dictate the amount of North American-made parts that must be used in assembled products such as cars
>automakers selling cars in the US will be forced to manufacture parts inside the US or face heavy taxes
where were you when ameriburgers ruined cars?
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>he wants his car to be repaired with cheap-o chinese pot-metal.
>more expensive cars assembled by dumb unionized workers are a good thing
I wish NK really does nuke the US
Lmao rip weeb
It's the american brands the ones that are uncompetitive and outsource the most
hope they go bankrupt like in 2008
Hoo boy, can't wait for material and build quality to hit the shitter to combat the increased price of American labor.
As if they pass off money saved by cheap labor as savings to you.
>oh noes he actually trys to bring back jobs and now i wont be able to buy cheap japshit cars anymore!
get fucked weeb
>wanting to buy inferior and more expensive products
As if they will absorb the extra cost
>inferior
>more expensive
pick one
>automakers have to cut corners in R&D, materials and quality control
>all due to more expensive labour costs
>paying more money for an inferior product because its 'MURUKU' made
Stop sounding the alarm you stupid, uneducated, faggoty double-nigger
>NK is a threat meme
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Oh shit hope they don't find out how to drop nukes from 1940's aircraft or we are all fucked.
wont happen cause:
>you dont need to import raw materials, the mining industry is already there
>increasing demand in raw materials leads to increasing wages leading to increasing consume, which lead to a stimulus of the whole economy
>people can actually buy a car now, without taking out 30k loans
>even imports get cheaper now
>keynes 101
everyone profits, ecxept of multinationals and forgein producers.
>keynes 101
I'm no Keynisian voodoo expert, but this is not how Keynesian allegedly works (or rather, don't). This is 18~19 century classical American protectionism.
>>you dont need to import raw materials, the mining industry is already there
implying other countries don't have a mining industry
>>increasing demand in raw materials leads to increasing wages leading to increasing consume
utopian
>>people can actually buy a car now
except they can't because car are more expensive, let's not forget of lesser quality since the cost increased a lot due to wages
>>keynes 101
keynes was wrong
>everyone profts
wrong
>multinationals
"it's bad that you profit because your company is big"
>foreign producers
you mean the ones that are actually producing quality cars???
well that was the system FDR and america in the 50s used. pretty keynes-ish i would think?
you forget the fact that during the post ww1 period, ww2 and post ww2 america was the only existing industry
this is not the case anymore
American cars are so bad, not even Americans want to drive them. Forcing Americans to drive them isn't going to make American cars better. If anything, it's only going to make them worse because you're locking out the competition and therefore Detroit's motivation for improvement.
>implying other countries don't have a mining industry
what is mining efficiency and high tech?
>utopian
what is the 50/60s housing boom?
>except they can't because car are more expensive, let's not forget of lesser quality since the cost increased a lot due to wages
already explained it to you: costs rise with the wages, inflation gets combatted via wages.
quality stays good, cause the consume is there, cause the wages rised. economic illiterate much?
>keynes was wrong
thats like saying that the american dream never happened
>wrong
not your jap car makers, thats for sure
>"it's bad that you profit because your company is big"
"its bad that you profit cause you tax your company in fucking bermuda of all places"
>you mean the ones that are actually producing quality cars???
like? wanna go with the gtr-corvette shitposting?
>50's
>FDR
You're retarded and no that's not the system they used in the 50's 40's or the 30's
>what is mining efficiency and high tech?
irrelevant as other countries also have similar tech and even lower labour costs?
>what is the 50/60s housing boom?
see >costs rise with the wages, inflation gets combatted via wages.
>quality stays good
wrong
>cause the consume is there, cause the wages rised
let me guess, you belive wealth also trickles down?
>economic illiterate much?
coming from the idiot who fails to recognize the geopolitical advantage of america during the first half of the XXth century, one that doesn't exist anymore
>thats like saying that the american dream never happened
see >not your jap car makers, thats for sure
because chrysler, ford and GM are known for their reliability
>"its bad that you profit cause you tax your company in fucking bermuda of all places"
this has nothing to do with tax evasion, retard
>like?
the ones that don't go bankrupt and have to get bailed out???
Keynes is the government dump money on the industry to generate economic movement. One example is the company JBS, who took huge sums of government money (Brazilian government, by the way), under the inflation, to expand their operations. Or how all car manufacturers with a plant in Brazil have some form of government aid.
>FDR and america in the 50s
>and
reading F, opinion discarded
thats the unhealthy mix of chicago and keynes which exists since the 80s.
>chicago
>the goverment pumping money into the economy
L E L
>chicago boys
No. They were libertarian at the core but pragmatic. Look at Chile, their fucking A+ prime example. There's no keynisian ways there. Keynes IS the unhealthy mix of government and private companies.
You also fail to remember that Economy post war was in recession becuase it was transitioning from a war time economy, if that's your argument.
>irrelevant as other countries also have similar tech and even lower labour costs?
>similar tech
cool story bro
>you forget the fact that during the post ww1 period, ww2 and post ww2 america was the only existing industry
only existing big industry please. also, whats telling you that a country with the natural resources and the military of the us cant go back to these times? if germany can out-export china, we can do that too.
>let me guess, you belive wealth also trickles down?
you really are mixing up the economic schools right now, arent you?
>coming from the idiot who fails to recognize the geopolitical advantage of america during the first half of the XXth century, one that doesn't exist anymore
what is the nato? what is the strongest military in the world? there is no geopolitical advantage anymore, not at all senpai
>because chrysler, ford and GM are known for their reliability
some models are, others not. what are you trying to prove?
>this has nothing to do with tax evasion, retard
so you are against multinationals too?
>the ones that don't go bankrupt and have to get bailed out???
so give up american car industry alltogether? how do you want your country, bankrupt or 3rd world tier?
>cool story
what? do you belive mining companies simply don't buy the same machines as the ones used in america? are you dumb?
you are utterly retarded thinking that the mining sector in america is in any way special, not even going to bother anymore
also
>nato
kek, confirmed for dumb fuck who has no clue of what is being discussed
>mix
see above. ye chile was a prime example of chicago economics and forgein financial help from the us. still better than socialism tho.
for how many years? also, are you implying that the us isnt a war economy right now and wasnt for the last 60 years?
Yes, so? My point is just that Keynes does not equal protectionism. And there's no Chicago with Keynes, take this out of your fucking head. They're polar opposites. Chicago is taking the government out of the way, Keynes is having the government forge the way.
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those are american coal workers btw, you can see it from the machines they are using.
>are you implying that the us isnt a war economy right now and wasnt for the last 60 years?
what does that have to do with anything you dumbfuck, the reason the war economy worked back then was because no other country had industry, europe and japan were in ruins
the only industrialized power was the soviet union but that was backwards as fuck
america cannot go back to le 60's american dream because they cannot become the world's only industry without nuking the rest of the world, and if they do, they destroy their market, thats why nato is irrelevant
god damn kid
>>automakers selling cars in the US will be forced to manufacture parts inside the US or face heavy taxes
>where were you when ameriburgers ruined cars?
whats wrong with bringing jobs back to the USA you fucking liberal scum.
Mustang is the best selling sports car in Europe, and Germany specifically as well.
>My point is just that Keynes does not equal protectionism.
never said that. it has parts of protectionism in it.
>And there's no Chicago with Keynes, take this out of your fucking head.
just look up the reagan era, taking government out of the way + new public debt and huge investments in the economy, a typical keynes thing to do.
do you now understand what i meant with "unhealthy mix of keynes and and chicago"?
>cherypicking
you are fucking stupid kid
en.wikipedia.org
>China 3,747.0 million tonnes
>United States 812.8 million tonnes
surely cherrypicking more images will make this data invalid
hell india is 200 million tonnes short
>Mustang is the best selling sports car in Europe, and Germany specifically as well.
Wrong.
Porsche 911 > Audi TT > Ford Mustang (with significant distance)
>what is wrong with subpar products
???
as if sports car sells are relevant to sales figures as a whole
GM pulled out of India and South Africa
It's not true anyway.
The best-selling sports car in Germany is the Porsche 911.
the war economy still exists, ask yourself why the us has to start a new war every few years?
its about outcompeting and not about destroying everyone else. again, why is germany exporting more goods than china? who cares about china? population=/ economic power
never said that the us has the bigges coal industry, but you said that other industries got similar efficiency and techs, which is cleary bullshit. stop strawmanning you idiot.
piss dich du alman, MAGA
>which is cleary bullshit.
citation needed, you merely cherrypicked a photo like a dumbass trying to make a point
let me guess, daddy trump told you this?
>why is germany exporting more goods than china?
umm they are not???
en.wikipedia.org
>who cares about china?
anyone that cares about how the next crash is going to be does, china just suroassed several developing nations in latin america, asia and africa and labour costs, the chinese are now going to begin outsourcing and this will lead to a credit bubble in there
>the war economy still exists
the current war economy is nothing like the one that existed during the early XX century
today the US military is used to mantain stability in the price of oil, hence their involvement in iraq and syria, the war economy of today isn't destroying the industrial centers and population of other nationes, like ww1 and ww2
do you have any cleu of how ww1 and ww2 were like?
>article is about NAFTA talks
>thread is full of retards screaming about japanese and german "imports" that are mostly MUSA anyway
this is about fucking mexico and nothing else
surpassed*
wrong
>NAFTA talks also include rules of origin, which dictate the amount of North American-made parts that must be used in assembled products such as cars
>citation needed, you merely cherrypicked a photo like a dumbass trying to make a point
well, the photo pretty much represents the chinese coal industry. thats not cherrypicking.
>umm they are not???
ok, i admit i remembered old data from the mid 2000s. still, population=/ economic power as you can see
>anyone that cares about how the next crash is going to be.....
i actually agree with you on this one.
>the current war economy is nothing like the one that existed during the early XX century
it changed, yes, but the premises is still the same: trade money/oil for blood
>do you have any cleu of how ww1 and ww2 were like?
nah, i am not a history student by any means with the focus on economic history, hence my opinions and knowledge on the topic.
keep believing i am a retard
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>cherrypicks
>im not cherrypicking
ameridumb
> population=/ economic power as you can see
china is many times more economically powerful than germany
> but the premises is still the same
no idiot, don't try to save face
> opinions and knowledge on the topic
you are an idiot who belives germany has more economic power than china, that america has a specil snowflake mining industry, that the war economy of ww1 and ww2 is relevant today, that nato means america can control economic exchange, that america could go back to the 60s, that there can be a mix between keynesianism and chicago doctrine and so on
>keep believing i am a retard
I will, get a name so I can identify your retarded ass
>ameridumb
not an argument, desu i am not even american
>china is many times more economically powerful than germany
citation needed, especially on
>many times more economically powerful
>no idiot, don't try to save face
ofc the premise remains the same. do you even have any idea how a war economy works and worked in the past?
>strawmans incoming
always cited my points, you are just too dumb or just too unwilling to look them up. not my problem
>I will, get a name so I can identify your retarded ass
how about you go back to redit if you like names so much? look how great names are, you can filter me now
>replying to some wannabe tripfag named Cancer
why?
First thing I thought of when this came up a couple of months ago:
GDR is a prime example of what 40 years of captive market do to your product.
Trabants and especially Wartburgs were competetive at first, but in the 60s nobody wanted 2 strokes anymore.
Eventually there was no chance to export cars and therefore no incentive to improve products or even meet demand anymore, since every single car they build was getting sold anyway.
I don't think anything like this will happen in the US (I actually wouldn't expect any new regulations whatsoever), but the people on here that want to protect the US market from imports might want to look into communist east germany.
>imagine having to drive whatever the big three build now for the next 40 years.With a couple of facelifts maybe
>le anime namefag "shitposter" meme
Is this 2010?
>citation needed, especially on
>many times more economically powerful
en.wikipedia.org
nice assmad over being a dumbass tho
>imagine having to drive whatever the big three build
All of you idiots do understand the vast majority of the cars sold in the US are already built here right?
I like my car, and it's American.
The scope of NAFTA is USA, Canada, and Mexico. In other words, for a good that is regulated by NAFTA to avoid being hit with a tariff, it'll have to have some percentage of its parts made in the US. Not all, necessarily. It won't change anything with respect to cars that are made in Japan or Germany or Cuckfartistan, which will remain subject to other importation rules.
The rules of origin thing will likely be dropped, anyway. It's there to force concessions from Mexico. If it made it into the final deal, it would cause too much trouble for the auto industry, since they source components from multiple places and will have a hard time keeping track of percentages. Generally, ROO just covers where the entire product underwent its last substantial transformation, like final assembly. Breaking it down to a component level would be insane.
nigga nobody that owns a tesla doesn't own another more reliable car for daily transportation. Usually a Lexus or euro luxury car
I don't know about that. I think a Tesla would suffice for me.
Sounds like a great idea.
No more uneducated Veeky Forums tards from USA using bad arguments like muh 32k v8 is better than your 40k 4cyl car.
Hopefully they will force car manufacturers to pay their workers 25+ vacation days, higher salary and such to further bring up the price of cars, oh and triple the fuel price as well so it's similar to EU.
Then lets see how the muh lifted truck community will survive.
Auto industry already tracks the origin of every component, so it wouldn't be difficult to check how "American" a car is.
>trumptards voted against their own interests
what else is new?
also
>thinking trump has the cognitive capabilities to even realize what he's trying to do
The guy literally requires intelligence reports to be in bullet point, and no more than 9, because he doesn't have the capacity to think farther than MONEY GUD ENVIRONMENT BAD MEXICAN BAD
Literally, the Chinese were astounded that it only took 10 mins of talks to change his views about his hate for the Chinese economy AND NK.
The guy has no backbone and no philosophy. All this talk about nafta is just because he wants to see his name on the news. There will be a 20 min talk, and he will do whatever the fuck the big 3/his economic advisers tell him to do
A lot of Japanese cars are made in America, if anything American cars made in Mexico and Canada will go up in price
If you want to drive foreign cars so bad gtfo
>>automakers selling cars in the US will be forced to manufacture parts inside the US or face heavy taxes
>where were you when ameriburgers ruined cars?
No this is fucking good, maybe we'll start getting REAL quality cars instead of dinky garbage chinese plastic, "stainless steel" that clearly oxidizes and other dumb crap.
It doesn't make sense that Toyota (a japanese brand) makes more parts of its cars in america than ford does (an "american" brand)
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>he thinks that forcing them to BUILD MURICAN = QUALITY
>he thinks shitty cheap plastic and "stainless" steel is better in china where the plastic contains lead, and other chemicals.
>He think Stainless Steel is supposed to rust (its not)
Good, Ford is more foreign that actually American.
>he thinks the govt forcing manufacturers to BUILD MURICAN means they will automatically start building quality products
>he thinks I am implying chinese shit is good quality
>he thinks tariff wars help the economy
>he thinks artificial monopolies = quality
>>he thinks the govt forcing manufacturers to BUILD MURICAN means they will automatically start building quality products
Yes because it'll be american made, american quality, american parts and steel
You must really think stainless steel is supposed to rust (its not). Chinese "stainless" isn't real stainless
>Ford fucking doubles in price and they start doing things like trashing expensive foreign-made powertrain and suspension components for cheaper american made crap on everything but the top of the line dragster GT models, which now cost double the price of a mcmansion
>jap companies take advantage of price hikes and beancounter designs as a marketing tactic, start saying "we built american from day one", move even more production over here (because shipping from asia is expensiove anyways), lower their prices a shitload
>Japan takes over the US car market
>you'll make an artificial monopoly if you make the big 3 "american" car companies to build american instead of building shitty chinese
>Ford is an AMERICAN BRAND*
>*made in china, built in mexico, assembled in canada, sold in the US
>>he thinks tariff wars help the economy
bringing jobs back to america helps the american economy
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fucking trumptards
This isn't 1930 you fucking retard
Its simple. those "american" companies either have to build and make in the US or they pay heavy taxes for being unamerican shitheads
during the 80s/90s, when Detroit had a near monopoly of the US market, they produced their absolute worst cars that nobody wanted
what exactly is your point? do you think that they'll magically make a good product if they have a monopoly on the market?
I actually see this improving the Mustang, it has a shitty Getrag or whatever it's called. Chinese. GM did it right with a Tremec.
exactly, it isn't 1930s anymore you fucking retard, it's actually a GLOBAL market
which means, its a million times more retarded to get into a tariff war these days
but keep throwing more buzzwords you ignorant trumptard
>that means its a million times more retarded
>no this couldn't possibly work because in this day an age of the internet and global foundations, we couldn't possibly want to harmonize american products to be synonymous with AMERICA
You keep sticking up for chinese "stainless" that isn't real stainless
>detroit had a monopoly
Detroit isn't a company you retards, GMC, Chrysler and Ford are all different companies
The tariffs are for american companies who claim to be american but don't actually.
See toyota, their camry's are made almost exclusively in america. This won't affect foreign companies at all like Honda or Toyota who are in fact more american than ford
I don't see how this affects Toyota who builds, assembles and manufactures in america.
Whats that website that lets you see how much and where your car is actually made from?
>this will give the american companies a monopoly!
>this will only hurt foreign makers cars
Well it certainly doesn't seem that way. From the way it looks, Hondas are more american than fords are
oh no
shieeeeeeeet
>"""""""""American""""""""" cars
Obviously euro spec import fords will be made in europe.
But if an american transmission costs more they'll find something else, like bodywork, to make here if the beans count up, unless it's meant to be a premium model.
you mean the ford cars people actually buy?
There is already a bunch of car models which aren't sold in the US.
Now there will be even more.
I think if this happens you can say goodbye to cars like the focus and the fiesta.
Yeah, and what's your point? That the most boring of cars is made mostly in the USA?
Wtf are we going to do when the new Supra or the new Celica come out and it's primarily made in Japan because they're low-volume niche performance cars?
And this is all because some high-school educated blue-collar dude believes he deserves $60-80k a year to push a button at a plant?
>Mustang is the best selling sports car in Europe, and Germany specifically as well.
Stop lying I live in the Netherlands and I haven't seen a Mustang for literally 6 months.
I love how trump-tards will make the argument that $15 an hour at McDonald's will lead to automation and less jobs but then somehow believe that higher costs for auto manufacturers won't.
This isn't going to lead to more jobs for Americans you idiots. It might in the short term, but all it'll really due is spur manufacturers to ramp up their automation strategies at plants.
$60-80k a year is "you can have two kids and a wife that doesn't work and still have a happy life without going into debt" money, so yeah, he deserves that just for being a human being.
The only other way to guarantee pay like that is to alter the labor market by literally cutting the available workers in half and drive the value of labor up, say, by....
>telling women "no"
>being a little more "progressive" and requiring one spouse to voluntarily leave the workforce for so long as their other spouse is employed
>no more immigrants period. not even qualified ones. if americans don't want the shit jobs they'll be unfilled and the americans will starve. and then the employers will have to actually try to reach people, normally, instead of "reaching" people with a pickup truck with bed cover and a pocket full of bribe money. if americans aren't good at the non-shit jobs, too bad, they should git gud, and employers should try harder to train them.
>legislate tertiary education into something fair instead of a massive pyramid/price fixing scam and increase the amount and prestige of tech schools over liberal arts institutions
>"Uhuhuh, free market, we're not going to pay for labor we're going to pay for robots"
>new law: only a certain percentage of labor can be fully automated
freedom really does suck dick, doesn't it?