/Stirner/ - Stirner General

You're submitting yourself to a language and its rules, thus giving it power over you. Stirner himself regarded language as a spook.

He regarded elements of language as a spook.
For some things, it's not a case of 'it is a spook or isn't a spook' it's a case of 'it's sometimes a spook and sometimes isn't', language is exactly that, it can be used to spook you into certain things, but it's also an incredibly useful tool for interacting with people, which Stirner acknowledged was a part of most people's self-interest.

>You're submitting yourself to a language and its rules, thus giving it power over you. Stirner himself regarded language as a spook.

Is that what a spook is: anything that gives power over you?

From what you know, what precisely are Stirner's arguments, as succinctly as possible

>You're submitting yourself to a language and its rules, thus giving it power over you.

Absolutely not. Language is a tool, a useful one at that.

ass

Can someone just tell me what to read to understand this spook meme.

The Ego and Its Own

Sneezing is a spook. You shouldn't work for the plants by helping to spread their pollen's.

The word "we" is also a spook. Never use it.

>You're submitting yourself to a language and its rules, thus giving it power over you. Stirner himself regarded language as a spook.
"Correct grammar" is a spook. Language itself isn't.

Ego and it's own

>Absolutely not.

I don't give a shit about spooks but he's not wrong. A language, especially your primary language, shapes a lot of how you express yourself and how you think about things. Languages aren't simply the same words and terms said in a thousand different ways, they have different words with different meanings and different connotations that innately shape your views.
A language being a useful tool doesn't magically mean it has no power over you.

does stirner even actually use the word "spook" or refer to things as "spooks" in his writing?

or is the spooky meme in itself just a spook

You can go with a spook as a kind of gamble.

If you absolutely had to double your money in a day, going to the casino and putting all your money on black might be the most feasible means of doing so. You would not be doing so because you "feel lucky" or any other spooky reason, in terms of achieving your outlandish goal this has the most chance of success.

In the same way if a spook means that much to you you can try it, but it is ill advised. You might want to re-evaluate your priorities.

Stirner uses the word "meme" and calls things "dank memes".

50 times apparently
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own.html

interestingly he uses "spirit" 552 times

>mfw he has a whole fucking chapter dedicated to spooks called "The Spook"

fucking spooky

Apparently he used the word spook to mock the Hegelian idea of Geist. Dunno though

Do you autists actually think you're making some sort of refutation or clever satire of Stirner this way? I hope this is bait

I once tried to explain Egoism to a black classmate at university. I told him that in order to live life to the fullest we must rid ourselves of spooks. He punched me in the face.

well he was getting rid of spooks, just as you had instructed him

Meme philosopher

What is self-interest?

spooks

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>le everything is a spook man

You do know this guy was a meme started by Veeky Forums to troll lefty pol and Veeky Forums right?

No one actually takes this guy seriously

>le everything is a spook man
not everything is a spook, he never claims that
>No one actually takes this guy seriously
loads of anarchists do

>anarchists

Yeah like I said, no one takes this guy seriously

ebin

No, really. How does one define self-interest.

>Anarchist
>people

Depends on each individual self.

Okay, can someone actually explain what a "spook" is? I've had it defined before but from the way people are using, I think I got it the wrong way.

the concept of spooks are spooks in themselves with regards to threads like this

it cannot be explained, for any explanation in itself cannot be fully explainable

such are the nature of spooks

Then give me an approximation.

a fixed ideal that you hold above yourself despite the fact that this ideal contradicts your self-interest

religion is a spook in the sense that you fear doing things out of a fear of hell even though hell is a man made concept

morality is a spook in the sense that it prevents you from doing things on the basis of "it's the 'wrong' thing to do :(" because morality is a man made concept

masculinity is a spook because it prevents/forces you to act in such a way you're not comfortable because "m-muh manhood"

and so on, and so forth

Alright, that makes sense to me.

do u guys think stirner wouldn't have become a meme if he just used a different word other than "spook"

spook is such a meme word

if he used geistthen maybe stirner would have remained a literally who

>stirner wrote in english

then why did all the translators use spook

it's just too spooky to be true, user

That didn't occur to me - what word does he use?

Google translate says Spuk.

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Question not some kind of witty "haha gotcha philosopher who's way smarter than me", but if I have an interest and derive pleasure from religion, is religion a spook for me?

Does Stirners thought rely on nominalism?

Stirner predates both of those on Veeky Forums.

I think it's more important that you recognize a spook rather than avoid a spook.

"There was a sign over the living-room door of the apartment: PROPERTY IS THEFT-a quotation from Proudhon. Pictures of Godwin, Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Johann. Most hung on the walls, and, of course, the Chicago Martyrs.

Perhaps Maurice wouldn't have left Stirner out, but no picture of him existed. A bookcase was filled with brochures on anarchism and Socialism. I forgot to tell you I was an ardent follower of Stirner. I had studied not only Stirner but also Feuerback, whose disciple Stirner had been before he rebelled. My own ideal was a 'community of egoists'. I want to become the 'perfect egoist'-a 'world history in iself,' ready 'to serve myself and everything that is mine.' Those were the Stirner phrases. For Proudhon, property was evil; for Stirner, property was the essence of humanism.

The whole message to take away is to be wary of irrational subjective ideologies. You're not supposed to take him 100% literally but rather understand that he was shitposting which pissed off contemporary philosophers bound by the spooks of morality, tradition and god and could only speak in apologetics to such.

A perfect explanation by the man himself, and nobody fucking reads it.

Fuck Veeky Forums. pack of faggots

Since I did not approve of the slogan above the door, I immediately feel into debate with Maurice. That's all he wanted. He was always ready to argue. I went on quoting Stirner and he went on quoting Proudhon. I had taken the room without meals, but Libby had made me supper anyhow. We were all three sitting at the table, and Maurice was railing against property and everything connected with it. He foresaw that after the revolution the words 'mine' and 'thine' would be dropped from the dictionary. I asked him, 'How will you tell a man the good news that his wife has given birth to a son?' And Maurice screamed, 'The whole institution of marriage will disappear! It is all built on slavery. What right has one person to own another?' He became so wrought up he nearly knocked over the table. Libby said to him, 'Your plate-I mean our plate-will soon fall. and our belly will remain empty. In addition, we will make spots on our pants.'

that is existentialism

Did these people ever accomplish anything? Did they found a trade union? Raise money for orphans? What did they do with all the wisdom they accumulated and opined over?

It's fiction.
What happens is the egoist guy sleeps with Maurice's wife (Maurice encourages this) and they both obsess over him. Eventually however they find another anarchist figure to obsess over, and the egoist guy is kicked out basically. Later he finds out this new anarchist they worship was actually just doing it for the image and mooching.
I just found it interesting coming across a short story by random that was about a Stirnerite.

Who is Maurice?

The anarchist in the story who likes proudhon and wants to erase all notion of ownership and property.

>and so on, and so forth
Missed an opportunity to meme, there.

>and sho on *sniff* sho on sho on etchetera etchetera etchetera *sniff*

I've started Stirnerposting in my dreams.

Is this a problem?

Is...is this a spook?

Is Stirner's proposal, in itself, a spook?

we dont need to rid ourselves frm them -we cant- nor do we need to recognize them -we can only do it through new spooks-.

we just need to live and stop the ranting, or design a channel to allow it to flow when it comes.

and for the long run, we need to create a system where new comers will build a silly worldview, and give them the time and space to realize the spooky character of the reality they constructed so they realize by themselves -it is the only way- what the human mind is and how it guides us.

I read it last night

rationality is a spook

Good question. Since some spooks are useful, people should utilize them to their advantage. If somebody can recognize something as a spook, they can make an informed decision on wether or not to utilize it. Spooks will never go away; you just have to not get spooked.

>you just have to not get spooked.
>have to
hold it with the spooks, man

Isn't it true that Stirner believed that one ought to recognize spooks in order to flourish?

Are the lyrics of Deltron 3030 a spook?

Is your post a spook?

Hard to say. How "Spooky" is shitposting?

You should know shitposting is just a spook.

He also had a presence on /pol/ long before becoming a full blown meme. He tended to crop up in anarchy threads, and I recall his position tended to cause a lot of butthurt to both the social anarchists and an-caps.

What if shitposting is actually the opposite of a spook. It goes against society's (The Veeky Forums community) ideals despite being fun for the actual shitposter himself.
>tfw shitposters are the ubermensch

its probably not satire of Stirner as much it is satire about how Veeky Forums sees Stirner

tfw Veeky Forums is actually secretly the satire board

really makes you think

youtube.com/watch?v=r6QMmrM4BmI

fuck me the dancing halloween guy always gets me first

bretty gud tho

This. Linguistic prescriptivism has become so pervasive. A speaker of a certain dialect is often made to feel that their dialect is "inferior" and they ought to strive to speak a "superior" dialect, i.e., one more like the ruling classes'.

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She told me not to worry about him because if I did I would realize how spooked she and her egoism is

You can always tell a retard who doesn't truly understand Stirner's philosophy by how many times they repeat "LE SPOOK MAYME XD".

>Ought
No. Stirner takes a rationalist approach, not an ethical one. It's not "You HAVE to get rid of spooks". It's "Getting rid of spooks would help you".

>Renzo Novatore
>Albert Camus
>Carl Schmitt
>Probably Nietzsche as well

topkek

>probably Nietszche
>the guy who plagiarised his work only probably took him seriously

No, he just wanted to let you know you are spooked.

Why did Stirner dedicate TEAHO "to [his] sweetheart Marie Dähnhardt"? Sounds like a possessed sort of love to arbitrarily write your work - which is merely an "outlet for your singing" - for someone else?

Also his note "to secure [him]self from criminal charge" when he uses the word "insurrection" confuses me when I consider how literally every page is an opportunity for censorship.

I don't see how him dedicating it to someone he loves is contradictory.

>Do we need to rid ourselves of spooks?

Only if you aren't scared of death or going to prison, then yes, you can honestly do what ever you desire.

>Or do we just need to recognize them?
This

I'm pretty sure getting killed or put in prison aren't desirable to you so you'll just have to deal with things like society, law, taboo, and such.

>Language is a spook

This is where you went full retard and showed that you don't really understand what a spook is. (oh how much I hate that term even if it is mildly humorous)

Simply put, a spook is any idea which coerces you to behave against your personal desire/destiny in one way or another. You know you're dealing with a spook when someone has to refer to a 3rd party for a reasoning not to take a certain action (It's against the law, it's immoral, it's not something a 'good person' would do. What will the neighbors think?)

I don't kidnap people and rape them because it's 'wrong' or against the law but because I just have desire to do something like that to another person.

>just have NO desire to do

fix'd, kek

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