They feel like you're sitting in a fucking bath tub, with the sloped windshield, and the raised beltline. You can't even lean your arm out of the window without dislocating a shoulder. The curved windshield, low seats and tiny side windows all make it so that you have shit visibility.
Not to mention all the fucking buttons on the steering wheel.
Why can't car makers just make simple cars again, manual transmission, straight up seats, and no bullshit buttons on the steering wheel? How hard can it be?
Noah Hill
>Anyone else fucking hate how modern cars drive? probably 90% of Veeky Forums. the other 10% will call you poorfag.
Aiden Lopez
No one would buy it but enthusiasts, and due to more and more of the population condensing into cities and more and more of it being poor, there aren't enough of those.
If you want it, you have to build it yourself.
Camden Hill
Europe still gets barebones shitbox models.
Ian Fisher
because (((they))) always needs to came out with something new. The goal is not to create long lasting good car but making product that make normies feel good about themselves. Everything in this world is in regress with young men dropping out of society and jacking off to trannys porn nad cuckold stuff.
Ethan Richardson
>even a fucking Aygo has touch screens and shit why.jpg
Jack Brooks
Gotta attract the normies somehow.
Jayden Richardson
Modern cars are better than ever >in the past: tear down an engine to find a problem >today: use a code scanner to find the same problem assuming it even happens
Cars are also more reliable than even, 200k miles is the new 100k miles
Isaac Phillips
>dislocating a shoulder to put your arm out the window Manlet detected.
Hudson Long
I love how modern cars feel. Like driving something that was carved out of a billet instead of a noodle with body panels attached to it.
Liam Sanders
Not to mention new cars are orders of magnitude safer to be in during a wreck.
Blake Howard
Why don't you have a toyobaru you retarded busrider?
Jason Flores
Why not just buy base model shitboxes then? This seems like a /whinge/ thread
Jaxon Gonzalez
>implying busriders can even afford that
Colton Wright
Where the fuck did the "hang arm out the window" meme start? How short are you people?
Nicholas Rodriguez
> he doesn't want buttons on his steering wheel But why?
Levi Phillips
>new car maintenance is easier
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried
Ryder Scott
I wrench on a W221 S Class, what's your excuse?
William Bailey
Toyota literally made the car everyone asked for. No buttons on wheel, mechanical linkage shifter, great steering rack, natural aspiration, light as a 240SX, good visibility, great chassis with low center of gravity, RWD with LSD, great driving position, no gimmicks, easy to mod with a sturdy block, cheaper than the 240SX or AE86 after accounting for inflation.
You all told them to fuck off because you're too cheap to afford anything other than 3k Civics, because you think you're entitled to all this plus 300HP for under 20k.
Daniel Watson
thats a Subaru
Luke Gray
>implying a better engine costs a lot more
Mason Gonzalez
>because you think you're entitled to all this plus 300HP for under 20k
No, listen here fuckface, I DESERVE this
Juan Powell
>Driving on the wrong side of the road
Oliver Young
>Have 1991 e36, pre-OBDII >Can read literally everything wrong about the car, more than you can with a code scanner on a modern one.
See, obd 2 code readers are nice in telling you what is having issues, but to solve the problem that's not enough. I can read precisely what's wrong with what and what to replace to fix it.
Matthew Bell
If you buy a real code scanner like a BlueDriver instead of a chinkshit ELM it can do so much more than just read basic engine codes, it'll even give you detailed information on tons of the computer in your car
Leo Gonzalez
I like how they drive as far as chassis dynamics.
I hate the way the throttle, brakes, and clutch feel though.
>step on gas >1 second later it revs
>barely breathe on the brakes >locks up the wheels (or would if eternal ABS wasn't forced on all the time)
>push in clutch >nearly put a hole in the floorboard >can't physically feel when at the engagement point >engine barely changes sound when at engagement point >give gas while clutching >stall because the throttle lags for 1 whole second
I love new chassis, hate the electronic cancer ruining cars.
James Garcia
agree, its one of the main reasons my last 3 cars were old "classics"
that and because I live in a shitty 3rd world country, so there is no way I can justify paying 3x the price of a real car in a bunch of plastic and wires that will start giving me problems as soon as the warranty is gone
Easton Bailey
>because you think you're entitled to all this plus 300HP for under 20k. What is fucking EA games making cars now? Are we gonna start calling cars sexist and get upset about too many male drivers. Are auto journalists going to start saying we have too much driver entitlement because we want a functional vehicle? Next Veeky Forums is gonna start a fucking drivergate movement to investigate Kotaku and get accused of being anti feminist.
Samuel Perez
Just picked the first decent pic from Google, only the UK drives on the left.
But you knew that already, didn't you?
Owen Campbell
>this level of poltardianism Take a chill pill, my man.
Lucas White
back up cameras are starting to become mandatory, if you have one, there's it's cheaper at this point to make it a touchscreen than not
I never want to buy a car again I felt the same way as OP and the only solution I could come to was using motorcycles or scooters but that's way more fucking dangerous
Alexander Walker
since hating on modern cars became the mainstream on Veeky Forums the contrarian teen crowd moved on to hating on people hating modern cars.
Cooper Campbell
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Jeremiah Williams
Diagnosing mught be easier, but
>in the past: unscrew some things and replace or fix the part >today: if one sensor malfunctions the car dies and you must go to the dealership and empty your bank account
Bentley Diaz
>in the past: tear down an engine to find a problem hello busrider
Austin Taylor
>became the mainstream
That implies that it wasnt in the past
Jordan Anderson
Only if you're a retard who's afraid of some wires
Keep projecting
John Gonzalez
I'm not the retarded child that keeps rambling about things he clearly has no clue about. It's obvious that you have never worked on any car, new or old.
Kevin King
Nice projection
Benjamin Price
I thought the Veeky Forums peanut gallery were the contrarian ones
Aaron Flores
Like I wanted to see some old 3D hag
Ayden Cruz
>Why can't car makers just make simple cars again, manual transmission, straight up seats, and no bullshit buttons on the steering wheel? How hard can it be?
I feel this 100%.
Touch screen, digital climate control, buttons on steering wheel. 0/10 try again.
Was about to say this. I think the refresh has some buttons on the steering wheel, but hopefully that's an option package.
>I never want to buy a car again >I felt the same way as OP and the only solution I could come to was using motorcycles or scooters but that's way more fucking dangerous
I feel the same way. I will keep my 2013 Honda Fit for as long as it drives. After that, I will only consider buying a car pre-2010, preferably pre-2000.
Something I thought of if it ever came to getting one of these new cars was removing the infotainment system. It is kind of tricky since some features of the car might only be controlled through the screen, which is stupid. But that only solves one problem. Can't fix high belt lines and low visibility as easily.
Best to just avoid any modern car, with very few exceptions, such as the 86/BRZ.
Nathaniel Clark
The only trend I hate about modern cars is the extreme emphasis on safety features and tech gimmicks.
That's why I can appreciate a stock V8 camaro or corvette...one of the few models that isnt overloaded with shit
BACK UP CAMERAS PEDESTRIAN DETECTION LANE KEEP ASSIST THIS INDICATOR WILL FLASH IF THE CAR SENSES YOU ARE SLEEPY ET AL.
Pretty soon breathalyzers will become an option in packages in order to drop your insurance premium.
This is overall a good thing, but cars KEEP getting more and more expensive..modern manufacturing has learnt from decades of practice but they keep adding more and more shit and consumers keep buying more and more garbage; prices never go down. It's bullshit. more competition, options, and experience than ever and YET the price of a new car soars ever higher.
Lucas Jenkins
>0/10 try again Okay.
Camden Cooper
>wrench Taking it to "your guy" at the Mercedes dealership doesn't count as wrenching, Steve.
Asher Thompson
This
Christian Scott
Perfect!
Sebastian Mitchell
I've worked on old Porsches and new Mercedes along with all sorts of Hondas in between
But keep projecting you poorfag busrider
Zachary King
Mercedes are just like any other cars, minus rusty bolts
But keep crying about the German car boogeyman
Jason Allen
I just don't like the coocoon feel that modern cars have. Everything else is tolerable.
Lincoln Rivera
>I just don't like the coocoon feel that modern cars have.
You just perfectly described the problem I have with modern cars.
Dominic Rodriguez
You guys mean safety?
Sebastian Perry
You're completely sealed off from the outside world. Beltlines too high, doors too fat, shit visibility.
Colton Hughes
So safety, then.
Andrew Edwards
It's only gonna get worse in the future, isn't it?
Ian Reed
Not really, manufacturers have started learning how to engineer for new safety standards and the ones that give a shit can engineer around the safety standards Like the new NSX has thin as fuck A pillars while being super strong and filled with airbags. Eventually when that A pillar design is cheaper to manufacturer it'll trickle down to cheaper Hondas
The same thing happened with malaise era cars. Now days we have 600 horse power V8s that get great mileage, are reliable, and meet modern emissions standards